Homeowner executes two burglars

[ichy]

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read in a longtime. Spidey hasn't posted yet, so I'm sure he'll be able to top that, but for now be proud in your ignorance.

He murders two kids and you are excited for it, typical for someone like you I guess.

I'm not excited. I'm saying their lives aren't worth as much as ours.

 

[GoPackGo]

This guy should go down for Murder 2

**EDIT**

Upon further reading this guy is scum...rest of life in prison.

At the very minimum he EXECUTED the girl. They weren't even armed so after the first shot or two he should have stopped to call the police.

What is he hiding?

 

[Thump553]

A lot of posters here mistakenly assume the gun laws of other jurisdictions are universal and/or ALL actions of a gunowner are conclusively presumed reasonable. This guy went ay beyond the pale here. It will be interesting to see what Don Vito has to say about this one but my two cents is that the prosecutor hit the nail right on the head. The shooting of the second robber sounds like a premeditated execution from beginning to end to me.

You've really got to wonder about the defendant's mindset-from the article he delayed for a day before calling the police:

"Wetzel said that while the shootings happened on Thursday, Smith waited until Friday to report the deaths, explaining that "he didn't want to trouble us on a holiday."

 

[halik]

check your state laws. here is Colorado's, just by breaking into a dwelling you can use deadly force.

Colorado Castle Doctrine.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gun...ntrol-Laws.htm

Quote:
Castle Doctrine

Colorado has a castle law. The statute states that “any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.”

You missed the most important part. After the threat has been neutralized, you simply can't drag the intruder someplace and kill him/her.

From MN statute:

The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor's place of abode.

 

[halik]

They weren't real people, they were drug-addicted criminals. Besides, if they hadn't put themselves into that situation none of this would have happened.

You're either retarded or a troll or both. Hypothetically if I caught them in my house, they surrender and I line them up against a wall and shoot them, it's all good because they weren't real people.

 

[NTMBK]

They weren't real people, they were drug-addicted criminals.

I'm saying their lives aren't worth as much as ours.

Wow... something is genuinely wrong with you.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Instead of calling the police, he thought it was a higher priority to drag the incapacitated girl into another room so that he could execute her. Ok.

 

[Ausm]

Instead of calling the police, he thought it was a higher priority to drag the incapacitated girl into another room so that he could execute her. Ok.

You think the Rightists would applaud this guy for saving Tax payer money?!?

 

[highland145]

You think the Rightists would applaud this guy for saving Tax payer money?!?

Or the left because there's more left to spend?



Yeah, he goes down for murder.

 

[chucky2]

He should go to prison, he didn't have to execute them...he should have just shot them both in both legs while he went and called the police.

3-5 max, clean record upon exit. Done.

 

[brandonb]

Man, some people really get the rocks off on the idea of shooting someone, sorry about your poor education and upbringing that resulted in that.

Sorry my views don't fit perfectly with yours, but it doesn't mean I have a poor education or upbringing.

Get off your high horse, chump.

 

[sigurros81]

They weren't real people, they were drug-addicted criminals. Besides, if they hadn't put themselves into that situation none of this would have happened.

I think this sociopath is playing too much Call of Duty. Get out and make some friends and interact with some human beings for a change.

 

[Yreka]

Wow people actually think what this guy did is ok ? Executing incapacitated criminals ( wont call them victims because they aren't at this point)

I'm very pro-gun and very pro shooting home invaders, but that part crosses a line for me.

 

[CitizenKain]

He should go to prison, he didn't have to execute them...he should have just shot them both in both legs while he went and called the police.

3-5 max, clean record upon exit. Done.

So at most you think the most someone should get for Murder 2 is 2.5 years per person, then have their felony record wiped?

You did read the part where he waited for one of them, shot them, then placed a pistol under their chin to get a clean shot to finish the job right? Then didn't call the police for a day.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Though this may have started as a case of self defense, it ended in two murders and the man should either given the death penalty/executed (if allowed by state law) or spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance for parole.

 

[Hugo Drax]

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...urns-teen-cousin-shooting-victims-4065913.php

If I were on the jury when this went to trial I'd vote to acquit him. Sure what he did seems a bit excessive but in the heat of the moment when someone is breaking into your home I can understand why you'd use more force than you absolutely have to. I also wish the media would stop referring to the burglars he shot as victims. They were the ones who started this all and they have no one but themselves to blame for their fate.

As a gun owner, people like you and that asshole who killed two kids for no reason makes every gun owner look bad.

Seriously, too many assholes own them and cant handle the responsibility, do not even know how to use them well and have no discipline.

 

[Hugo Drax]

OT: was this shooting justified?

The... P&N topic remaining in OT handles this subject nicely. Has a poll too, which is quite useful at gauging public sentiment here. People may have been confused though, as there are two aspects to this shooting.

1: Good initial shooting
2: Bad execution following

Anyone who felt that could have voted on either side of the poll.

In regards to shooting home invaders, there's a fine line involved. We have to be careful with regards to their threat to you. Morally if not legally. The home owner admitted to executing helpless teens as they were laying on the floor wounded. That's not good, it sounds evil and sadistic.

I wonder how this would have turned out if he had simply kept his mouth shut or ended the conversation with "I shot two intruders, I feared for my life". Would anyone have doubted him then?

What ever happened to identifying the threat before pulling the trigger? He had the home advantage and had the opportunity to put himself in a defensive posture and identify them as they went down before just shooting. They could have been family member for example. The moment they stepped down and he got a look at them it would have been a no brainer situation.

I would have scolded them and told them to get the fuck outta there. What he did was was sick.

Seriously, come on now.

 

[sigurros81]

Please tell me that the girl on the right is not the burglar. Because that would me one sad panda.

 

[SaurusX]

The girl was very cute. I'd fry this guy because of that.

 

[CitizenKain]

I wonder if he was a dealer and things went south, then spent the day after murdering the two of them cleaning up evidence and molesting the corpses. He seems the type.

 

[sigurros81]

The girl was very cute. I'd fry this guy because of that.

Agreed, she could burgle my house any time, and I'd only use my other not so lethal gun on her.

 

[highland145]

Please tell me that the girl on the right is not the burglar. Because that would me one sad panda.

Sorry for your sad panda.

 

[Theb]

OT: was this shooting justified?

The... P&N topic remaining in OT handles this subject nicely. Has a poll too, which is quite useful at gauging public sentiment here. People may have been confused though, as there are two aspects to this shooting.

1: Good initial shooting
2: Bad execution following

Anyone who felt that could have voted on either side of the poll.

The poll would be pointless if he called the police after the initial shooting.

In regards to shooting home invaders, there's a fine line involved. We have to be careful with regards to their threat to you. Morally if not legally. The home owner admitted to executing helpless teens as they were laying on the floor wounded. That's not good, it sounds evil and sadistic.

I wonder how this would have turned out if he had simply kept his mouth shut or ended the conversation with "I shot two intruders, I feared for my life". Would anyone have doubted him then?

He definitely would've been better off talking to a lawyer before he made a statement. From what I've read that's not a bad idea even in very obvious cases of self defense, but I think the evidence they were shot in two different locations and waiting a day to call the police would've started the detectives asking a lot of questions.

 

[SheHateMe]

If I were on the jury when this went to trial I'd vote to acquit him. Sure what he did seems a bit excessive but in the heat of the moment when someone is breaking into your home I can understand why you'd use more force than you absolutely have to.

Yes, when someone finally breaks into my home..I am going to make sure to incapacitate them first and then execute them with either a gunshot to the face or multiple shots to the chest with a revolver and THEN putting the gun under their chin and blowing their brains out...


yep... that's what Im going to do...and I will get off scot free because I was standing my ground even though I already incapacitated the burglar with the first shot.

 

[GoPackGo]

Yeah...something is strange there...the guy needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. I hope they inspect the bodies for signs of glass, glass cuts, or abrasions...