Homelessness

[cruiser1338]

Had to attend a lecture about homeless people for our school, and it brought an interesting question to mind: Is it my responsibility to pay for people below me to enjoy a warm bed and a shower and all that?

I say that it isn't. If we don't pay for them, they'll learn to get off their ass and do something. Jump in a lake or something and sew up your clothes and grab a McD job. Build
your way up. There is no reason for homelessness other than laziness. They go to the shelters and get free food and lodging and it doesn't motivate them to do something.

My opinion, what's yours? If you vote, please post with your full opinion and reasons.

 

[smack Down]

Your an idiot.

 

[cruiser1338]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Your an idiot.

Back it up perhaps? Make a useful post? That sort of things isn't allowed anyway.

 

[Steeplerot]

Homelessness is usally a sign of a society in distress, reagan emptyed mental institutions and substance abuse is out of control, now we have people running around in the streets, most of them filling jails and drinking and doing drugs, ask any homelessness worker and they will tell you, there is almost no help to be offered those with serious substance abuse problems so these people fall through the cracks when they could have been productive members of society.

I usually sit and talk with homebums and its always the same story, drinking most of the time drugs for the rest, a few are seriously disturbed with nowhere to go.

If we have a society where alcohol is so available then we should have programs to help those who are most susceptable to it's ills.

 

[cruiser1338]

They could perhaps get somewhere if they stopped. You don't need a program to stop something, just a strong will. But they don't. They don't have to.

Social Darwinism is my theory I suppose. Evolve or die.

 

[Steeplerot]

No it's genetics, alcoholism and addictive personalitys runs rampant in our society, most homeless alcoholics do not have a family or peer group to cover there asses.

Thus they free fall, you cannot just jump in a lake and go get a job, that is pretty assinine and heartless, are you some kind of monster? What is your problem?

I am sure you have alcoholism and substance abuse in your own family.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Your an idiot.

Every time I see this, I laugh. :laugh: It's like the pot calling the kettle the N word.

 

[judasmachine]

It is everyone's problem. What you do about it is your own business. Some are out there cause they wish to drop out, some are out there cause they have disorders that are not being treated. It works both ways. I know many traveler kids who just don't want anything to do with the rest of us, that's cool. But I've also met some people that could never hold a job or an apartment because of lack of treatment for a myriad of mental disorders. Basically some need a lot of help, and others don't want your help.

 

[alchemize]

For a rare instance I agree with Steeplerot. For those that ask for help, mentally ill or substance abusing, we should offer it. We've especially done the mental ill a disservice. For substance abusers, it should come with strong conditions.

 

[Steeplerot]

Well squatters and crustys I would not really consider homeless, they have a home, the road.

That is a conscious decision to drop out of a sick society and they usually feed themselves within their own means, granted when those kids do get a habit its a fastrack to the bottom quickly. squatters usually take care of their own though under the radar of society, I dont even think most people in here has ever seen a squater or know anything about the "other" society of americans though.

Most crustys pride themselves in NOT taking handouts from mainstream society and want nothing to do with it.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: cruiser1338
They could perhaps get somewhere if they stopped. You don't need a program to stop something, just a strong will. But they don't. They don't have to.

Social Darwinism is my theory I suppose. Evolve or die.

:roll:

I am completely against a welfare state and I do think these people need to get off their asses and get a job, but the above comment is absurd. It's like saying you don't need a doctor if you are sick. You have obviously never had to deal with an addiction, nor has anyone close to you. The problem is these people do not have will power, it has been completely destroyed by the substanses they are on. It may be entirely their fault that they are in the situation they are in, but that does not change the situation and if everyone is just left to rot society itself will follow suit.

 

[cruiser1338]

No alcoholism in my immediate family, or my extended one as far as I can tell (they are in England, I am in America). It may sound heartless, but it's just a simplified version. They need to put a bit of effort into it, but with everything handed out to them, it's not working. They could clean themselves up a bit with some effort and get a set of decent clothes, but as you say, all their money probably goes to alcohol or drugs, none to getting a job and climbing the ladder.

And thats absurd Casanova. Of course you need a doctor, I am saying is that they don't need namby-pambying and pampering with programs. They need a cold hard kick to their ass and get themselves moving to becoming productive. May sound heartless, but you need to turn their live upside down, get them to see that we aren't going to continue supporting them, and that they are going to have to fend for themselves.

 

[Steeplerot]

Well, yeah thats becasue they have a substance abuse problem, climbing the ladder is not even a realitic thing to ask of someone who is that bad off.

More like a sign of how well off you are to think such a thing. (or maybe you just havent experienced it)

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Well squatters and crustys I would not really consider homeless, they have a home, the road.

That is a conscious decision to drop out of a sick society and they usually feed themselves within their own means, granted when those kids do get a habit its a fastrack to the bottom quickly. squatters usually take care of their own though under the radar of society, I dont even think most people in here has ever seen a squater or know anything about the "other" society of americans though.

Yeah you're right there. I miss those days.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Well squatters and crustys I would not really consider homeless, they have a home, the road.

That is a conscious decision to drop out of a sick society and they usually feed themselves within their own means, granted when those kids do get a habit its a fastrack to the bottom quickly. squatters usually take care of their own though under the radar of society, I dont even think most people in here has ever seen a squater or know anything about the "other" society of americans though.

Yeah you're right there. I miss those days.

You too huh? Yeah babylon sux, squat or rot

I think this is the problem with kids a lot nowdays, they stay at home like a bunch of squares and do not travel but buy into the system without really knowing what they have.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Well squatters and crustys I would not really consider homeless, they have a home, the road.

That is a conscious decision to drop out of a sick society and they usually feed themselves within their own means, granted when those kids do get a habit its a fastrack to the bottom quickly. squatters usually take care of their own though under the radar of society, I dont even think most people in here has ever seen a squater or know anything about the "other" society of americans though.

Yeah you're right there. I miss those days.

You too huh? Yeah babylon sux, squat or rot

Not much just a couple of trips with friends. I have to admit I'm a bit spoiled by heaters. And scared of SUVs.

 

[Steeplerot]

spoiled? I love mine I bet 1000x more then anyone else in here knowing how cold the road can be. And yeah suvs suck, I will never understand this mess we are in, I always thought we would be better off then this starbucks gentrified fantasyworld.

Heh, you know what though, we lost all our power and water a few times in the past year and my gf was amazed I could make candles, knew how to make a portable toilet, how to keep warm in a place with a missing wall etc. You only learn that stuff from being on the road.

 

[JinLien]

Could it be a good portion of the homeless people are there because they are sick (mental & physical)?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
spoiled? I love mine I bet 1000x more then anyone else in here knowing how cold the road can be. And yeah suvs suck, I will never understand this mess we are in, Ialways thought we would be better off then this starbucks fantasyworld.

There is no sin more exquisite than central heat and air. or something like that, it's been a while.

There is no revolution, just a bunch of sick, scared, hurt, and confused people walking around knowing something isn't right.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
spoiled? I love mine I bet 1000x more then anyone else in here knowing how cold the road can be. And yeah suvs suck, I will never understand this mess we are in, Ialways thought we would be better off then this starbucks fantasyworld.

There is no sin more exquisite than central heat and air. or something like that, it's been a while.

There is no revolution, just a bunch of sick, scared, and confused people walking around knowing something isn't right.

after squatting our burned down apt earlier this year I still thank the gods when my toilet flushes. I am sooo thankful, I still amaze myself at every gadget in the house sometimes, and go around turning stuff on and off.

Still though, I am always ready to lose it all again, you never know, so when I have something I always kick down to homebums.

I see em with a empty 40 oz shivering and I know how it is, I have traveled that road too many times, just glad that I have never got into drugs and alcohol and have when nessasary been able to reassimilate into babylon without burdening anyone.

It's still hilarious to me when a squatter sneers at me when I have a tie on or something, heh I helped some punks find a squat here in nyc the other day in a suit. they were like whoah cuz I leaped up and popped the window with silence and gave them safety tips hehe.

(then went to a job interview) society is odd, I will never get peoples self-absorbtion and cash obsession in here though.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
spoiled? I love mine I bet 1000x more then anyone else in here knowing how cold the road can be. And yeah suvs suck, I will never understand this mess we are in, Ialways thought we would be better off then this starbucks fantasyworld.

There is no sin more exquisite than central heat and air. or something like that, it's been a while.

There is no revolution, just a bunch of sick, scared, and confused people walking around knowing something isn't right.

after squatting our burned down apt earlier this year I still thank the gods when my toilet flushes. I am sooo thankful, I still amaze myself at every gadget in the house sometimes, and go around turning stuff on and off.

Still though, I am always ready to lose it all again, you never know, so when I have something I always kick down to homebums.

LOL I never spent that much time on the road, but I can definately see where you're coming from. Me I panic that I'm using more than my share, and go around turning stuff off.

I'm a breakup away from being a couch surfer again.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Your an idiot.

Honestly, how old are you?

Please answer, because to use "Your" when "You're" was the correct word/contraction is a little confounding

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Your an idiot.

When you call someone an idiot, at least use correct grammar or your credibility is shot

 

[raildogg]

Its shameful actually. For a country like America, the supposed superpower of the world, to have such a huge homeless problem is a real embarrassing. There is no other way around it. We are donating abroad while our countrymen suffer. People may say that it is their actions which led them to be homeless in the first. I can understand that point even though it may not always be true. We have such a system set up in this country in which it allows people to become homeless.

I believe drugs should remain illegal. All of them. But instead of locking and punishing people for using them, teach them to get rid of the habit. Punishing will only lead to more problems.

We should do something and the government should have a program as well. There needs to be something done. San Fransicko is a city full of these people. Old York City, PhillAdelphia have their problems as well. Its not a good thing. Its not acceptable in a advanced country such as this. Either act like a superpower or give away that title to some other country.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
No it's genetics, alcoholism and addictive personalitys runs rampant in our society, most homeless alcoholics do not have a family or peer group to cover there asses.

Thus they free fall, you cannot just jump in a lake and go get a job, that is pretty assinine and heartless, are you some kind of monster? What is your problem?

I am sure you have alcoholism and substance abuse in your own family.

Stop buying booze and maybe you can afford a home.