Homelessness

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Homelessness isn't a problem for me as long as the wife and I are willing to work. Also, just so we don't forget, most people who are homeless are also mentally ill. Just saying "Get a job, slacker!!!" doesn't address the problem. Being that you started this thread cruiser, you should have taken the time to round out your knowledge of the subject matter.

Do you realize how many americans are within a paycheck or two of homelessness? Granted alot of people have family and friends to fall back on, but the rest end up on the street. And on most being mentally ill, please ... My experience showed about 10% ..

Why should I clutter my head with BS hand-wringing like this? As long as I keep my skills sharp and remain smart enough to SAVE some of what I earn I'll be fine. BTW smartass, your "expereince" is wrong and probably derived from too much TV watching.

You part of that statistic you made up? Sure hope you never have to face what happens to alot of people. I chalk the rest up to being a troll.

Worry about yourself, dickhead. And while you're at it, STFU.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Worry about yourself, dickhead. And while you're at it, STFU.

Isn't there a ban on aol users on AT forums?

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Homelessness is usally a sign of a society in distress, reagan emptyed mental institutions and substance abuse is out of control, now we have people running around in the streets, most of them filling jails and drinking and doing drugs, ask any homelessness worker and they will tell you, there is almost no help to be offered those with serious substance abuse problems so these people fall through the cracks when they could have been productive members of society.

I usually sit and talk with homebums and its always the same story, drinking most of the time drugs for the rest, a few are seriously disturbed with nowhere to go.

If we have a society where alcohol is so available then we should have programs to help those who are most susceptable to it's ills.

I agree. Homelessness is a sign or society in distress. Poverty and then ultimately homelessness show that society, or rather those caught up in rampant poverty, has lost their ability to be self-reliant. The age of socialism has made this occur even faster due to the enablement factor of the governments. People would adapt, survive and ultimately prosper if left to their own affairs instead of looking to others to always take care of them.
Granted there is a minute segment in all societies that truly can not care for themselves, but that does not excuse widespread socialism/welfare.

But as to the question posed about who's problem it is, I guess I would come down on the side that it is a problem caused by both the socialist/welfare era and the mental weakness shown by those who think that someone else should or will take care of them.
As for who is responsible for fixing the situation? Again, I will say both. It is the responsibility of society to return to more self reliant ways and also the responsibility of those affected to pick themselves up and become more self reliant and mentally tough.

 

[Steeplerot]

we have far from a socialist welfare state, and civilzation depends on one another as the foundation.

Go ahead and become a hunter/gatherer again. I am sure you will have good luck with that in modern society without depending on someone somewhere.

Once again you show your true colors of wanting to put us back into the stone age while whining over helping your fellow man, who are you to say that one cannot be helped into being a productive member of society with the apropriate help?

Sounds like you are ready to abort those who you cannot take advantage of in the short term. No thanks, glad you people are just rabid fringe group trying to pull society backwards for your short term gain.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: loki8481

I say that it isn't. If we don't pay for them, they'll learn to get off their ass and do something.

yeah... like rob stores or break into houses, putting them in jail, where -- you guessed it -- we pay for them (but even moreso in that situation).

I worked at a soup kitchen in an inner city (Jersey City) all through high school. there were some alcholics and people with serious mental disorders. but there were also people who were just excessively down on their luck. lost their job, couldn't find a new one, got evicted from their apartments, had no family/friends to fall back on. and once you're homeless, finding a job without help is near impossible. not even McDonalds is going to hire someone who hasn't showered in a week and hasn't washed their clothes in even longer.

Ah, so the poor are extorting society.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: loki8481

I say that it isn't. If we don't pay for them, they'll learn to get off their ass and do something.

yeah... like rob stores or break into houses, putting them in jail, where -- you guessed it -- we pay for them (but even moreso in that situation).

I worked at a soup kitchen in an inner city (Jersey City) all through high school. there were some alcholics and people with serious mental disorders. but there were also people who were just excessively down on their luck. lost their job, couldn't find a new one, got evicted from their apartments, had no family/friends to fall back on. and once you're homeless, finding a job without help is near impossible. not even McDonalds is going to hire someone who hasn't showered in a week and hasn't washed their clothes in even longer.

Ah, so the poor are extorting society.

Everyone "extorts" society to some degree. It is called cooperation to the unselfish.

We all know who the real extorters are, the ones with 98% of the money playing the poor off of each other while they rake in the cash. Good job.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: zendari

Ah, so the poor are extorting society.

Everyone "extorts" society to some degree. It is called cooperation to the unselfish.

We all know who the real extorters are, the ones with 98% of the money playing the poor off of each other while they rake in the cash. Good job.

Forced cooperation on those you deem to be selfish, quite a viewpoint for someone who wants utopia.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
we have far from a socialist welfare state, and civilzation depends on one another as the foundation.

Go ahead and become a hunter/gatherer again. I am sure you will have good luck with that in modern society without depending on someone somewhere.

Once again you show your true colors of wanting to put us back into the stone age while whining over helping your fellow man, who are you to say that one cannot be helped into being a productive member of society with the apropriate help?

Sounds like you are ready to abort those who you cannot take advantage of in the short term. No thanks, glad you people are just rabid fringe group pulling society backwards.

No, we are in the socialist/welfare era. Socialism/welfare is definately different than general societal governance.
No, we don't have to go back to a hunter/gatherer state, and your attempts to suggest that are nothing but trolls.
Continue on with your emotional trolls and attacks because all they show is that you do not have the mental fortitude to really think about how socialism and welfare affect society and mental toughness of people.

If you want to look at a great example of socialism masking/encouraging poverty, take a look at France. Yes, it's easy to bash France, but this is a serious argument. Try researching their poverty rate and it's association with socialism.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Worry about yourself, dickhead. And while you're at it, STFU.

Isn't there a ban on aol users on AT forums?

This qualifies as an insult by you? I think you're showing signs of "distress", snob-boy.

 

[Steeplerot]

This is who is the real extorter of you. Not the poor family scraping by.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Homelessness isn't a problem for me as long as the wife and I are willing to work. Also, just so we don't forget, most people who are homeless are also mentally ill. Just saying "Get a job, slacker!!!" doesn't address the problem. Being that you started this thread cruiser, you should have taken the time to round out your knowledge of the subject matter.

Do you realize how many americans are within a paycheck or two of homelessness? Granted alot of people have family and friends to fall back on, but the rest end up on the street. And on most being mentally ill, please ... My experience showed about 10% ..

Why should I clutter my head with BS hand-wringing like this? As long as I keep my skills sharp and remain smart enough to SAVE some of what I earn I'll be fine. BTW smartass, your "expereince" is wrong and probably derived from too much TV watching.

You part of that statistic you made up? Sure hope you never have to face what happens to alot of people. I chalk the rest up to being a troll.

Worry about yourself, dickhead. And while you're at it, STFU.

What did I say to piss you off so much? To much reality today? And I was serious, I hope the best for you and your wife, not meant as an insult.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Homelessness is usally a sign of a society in distress, reagan emptyed mental institutions and substance abuse is out of control, now we have people running around in the streets, most of them filling jails and drinking and doing drugs, ask any homelessness worker and they will tell you, there is almost no help to be offered those with serious substance abuse problems so these people fall through the cracks when they could have been productive members of society.

I usually sit and talk with homebums and its always the same story, drinking most of the time drugs for the rest, a few are seriously disturbed with nowhere to go.

If we have a society where alcohol is so available then we should have programs to help those who are most susceptable to it's ills.

I agree. Homelessness is a sign or society in distress. Poverty and then ultimately homelessness show that society, or rather those caught up in rampant poverty, has lost their ability to be self-reliant. The age of socialism has made this occur even faster due to the enablement factor of the governments. People would adapt, survive and ultimately prosper if left to their own affairs instead of looking to others to always take care of them.
Granted there is a minute segment in all societies that truly can not care for themselves, but that does not excuse widespread socialism/welfare.

But as to the question posed about who's problem it is, I guess I would come down on the side that it is a problem caused by both the socialist/welfare era and the mental weakness shown by those who think that someone else should or will take care of them.
As for who is responsible for fixing the situation? Again, I will say both. It is the responsibility of society to return to more self reliant ways and also the responsibility of those affected to pick themselves up and become more self reliant and mentally tough.

Have you ever talked to a homeless person?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Homelessness isn't a problem for me as long as the wife and I are willing to work. Also, just so we don't forget, most people who are homeless are also mentally ill. Just saying "Get a job, slacker!!!" doesn't address the problem. Being that you started this thread cruiser, you should have taken the time to round out your knowledge of the subject matter.

Do you realize how many americans are within a paycheck or two of homelessness? Granted alot of people have family and friends to fall back on, but the rest end up on the street. And on most being mentally ill, please ... My experience showed about 10% ..

Why should I clutter my head with BS hand-wringing like this? As long as I keep my skills sharp and remain smart enough to SAVE some of what I earn I'll be fine. BTW smartass, your "expereince" is wrong and probably derived from too much TV watching.

You part of that statistic you made up? Sure hope you never have to face what happens to alot of people. I chalk the rest up to being a troll.

Worry about yourself, dickhead. And while you're at it, STFU.

What did I say to piss you off so much? To much reality today? And I was serious, I hope the best for you and your wife, not meant as an insult.

Uh oh, you just got predictable. Let's see, you talk out your ass to me like I'm your little brother, I don't buy it, I'm then called a troll and asked if I'm insane, I retaliate and now, of course, I'm "pissed off." Sorry dude, things are going way to good for me to get pissed over absolutely nothing. Being that you're so sensitive and sweet, you should've known that.

As for reality, I think yours is quite different from mine, dickhead. Where >I< grew up, people weren't generally sitting around downing tea and crumpets to begin with. The fairly large homeless population was made up entirely of brain-addled folks. If fact, I don't recall seeing ONE person in that state who wasn't fried in some way or another. So yeah dickhead, don't go whinging at me about reality. I think I've seen a LOT more of it than you have.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Homelessness is usally a sign of a society in distress, reagan emptyed mental institutions and substance abuse is out of control, now we have people running around in the streets, most of them filling jails and drinking and doing drugs, ask any homelessness worker and they will tell you, there is almost no help to be offered those with serious substance abuse problems so these people fall through the cracks when they could have been productive members of society.

I usually sit and talk with homebums and its always the same story, drinking most of the time drugs for the rest, a few are seriously disturbed with nowhere to go.

If we have a society where alcohol is so available then we should have programs to help those who are most susceptable to it's ills.

I agree. Homelessness is a sign or society in distress. Poverty and then ultimately homelessness show that society, or rather those caught up in rampant poverty, has lost their ability to be self-reliant. The age of socialism has made this occur even faster due to the enablement factor of the governments. People would adapt, survive and ultimately prosper if left to their own affairs instead of looking to others to always take care of them.
Granted there is a minute segment in all societies that truly can not care for themselves, but that does not excuse widespread socialism/welfare.

But as to the question posed about who's problem it is, I guess I would come down on the side that it is a problem caused by both the socialist/welfare era and the mental weakness shown by those who think that someone else should or will take care of them.
As for who is responsible for fixing the situation? Again, I will say both. It is the responsibility of society to return to more self reliant ways and also the responsibility of those affected to pick themselves up and become more self reliant and mentally tough.

Have you ever talked to a homeless person?

Yes, quite a few infact. I have a couple of freinds who were homeless and now gainfully employed. Some might call them "retarded" or mentally handicapped but they function just fine at their place of employment. You see, when people come along side these people instead of just flipping them a 5 or 10 spot, you can see how much they want to be part of "normal" society.(I use the word "normal" because that's the term they used) Many of these people will function just fine in society if given the chance by us "normal" people but instead we look down on them and think flipping them a 5 spot will help. However, from those who I have talked to and especially my freinds, they don't want to accept handouts and my freinds will never again accept them. Not from strangers or the Government as they blame welfare/socialist type thinking and the rut it gets you into for them becoming homeless. They work for ane earn everything they get, they won't have it any other way. They have healed their minds and become mentally tough even though you would still probably call them "retarded".

So did you have a point with your question?

 

[Steeplerot]

Your arguement is that homeless substance abusers and mentally ill can "magiclly heal their minds." :roll:

Go back to kindergarten and learn that important lesson of sharing please, you must have been out sick doing some "magical healing" obviously.
What next? gay camps where they magiclly ungay themselves?

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Homelessness isn't a problem for me as long as the wife and I are willing to work. Also, just so we don't forget, most people who are homeless are also mentally ill. Just saying "Get a job, slacker!!!" doesn't address the problem. Being that you started this thread cruiser, you should have taken the time to round out your knowledge of the subject matter.

Do you realize how many americans are within a paycheck or two of homelessness? Granted alot of people have family and friends to fall back on, but the rest end up on the street. And on most being mentally ill, please ... My experience showed about 10% ..

Why should I clutter my head with BS hand-wringing like this? As long as I keep my skills sharp and remain smart enough to SAVE some of what I earn I'll be fine. BTW smartass, your "expereince" is wrong and probably derived from too much TV watching.

You part of that statistic you made up? Sure hope you never have to face what happens to alot of people. I chalk the rest up to being a troll.

Worry about yourself, dickhead. And while you're at it, STFU.

What did I say to piss you off so much? To much reality today? And I was serious, I hope the best for you and your wife, not meant as an insult.

Uh oh, you just got predictable. Let's see, you talk out your ass to me like I'm your little brother, I don't buy it, I'm then called a troll and asked if I'm insane, I retaliate and now, of course, I'm "pissed off." Sorry dude, things are going way to good for me to get pissed over absolutely nothing. Being that you're so sensitive and sweet, you should've known that.

As for reality, I think yours is quite different from mine, dickhead. Where >I< grew up, people weren't generally sitting around downing tea and crumpets to begin with. The fairly large homeless population was made up entirely of brain-addled folks. If fact, I don't recall seeing ONE person in that state who wasn't fried in some way or another. So yeah dickhead, don't go whinging at me about reality. I think I've seen a LOT more of it than you have.

Oh, crumpetts and tea .... how about a rural mtn state, I had it so well when I graduated with a 2 year tech degree. I joined the army for 5 years, because their was no other work available. When I got out I went back to school for 3 more years on my paultry 15k GI bill. During that time I worked as a VA work study at a homeless shelter, which turned into a part time job, the other half was running a homegrown computer business that just barely made ends meet. So yes, I have the experience I claimed, and no I didn't come from the 'tea and crumpet society'.

At least I backed up my numbers with a link to a Feb 2005 study, and my own experience. For a change I felt I could lend some actual experience to a thread, not the the normal opinions you see.

Again, sorry if I offended you.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your arguement is that homeless substance abusers and mentally ill can "magiclly heal their minds." :roll:

Go back to kindergarten and learn that important lesson of sharing please, you must have been out sick doing some "magical healing" obviously.
What next? gay camps where they magiclly ungay themselves?

Nope, not gay camp, Iraq where it magically heal itself.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your arguement is that homeless substance abusers and mentally ill can "magiclly heal their minds." :roll:

Go back to kindergarten and learn that important lesson of sharing please, you must have been out sick doing some "magical healing" obviously.
What next? gay camps where they magiclly ungay themselves?

There is no magic involved.
Take your trolls elsewhere if you are going to continue to post these twisted emotional trolls.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Your arguement is that homeless substance abusers and mentally ill can "magiclly heal their minds." :roll:

Go back to kindergarten and learn that important lesson of sharing please, you must have been out sick doing some "magical healing" obviously.
What next? gay camps where they magiclly ungay themselves?

There are some who can get back on top on their own or with minimal help, others need more intensive help, and then you have those that are truely helpless. It is sad to say, but the homeless shelters are there for those first 2 groups.

 

[Legend]

Depends on each specific case. Let's not generalize to one political polarity. That's too easy and irresponsible.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Homelessness isn't a problem for me as long as the wife and I are willing to work. Also, just so we don't forget, most people who are homeless are also mentally ill. Just saying "Get a job, slacker!!!" doesn't address the problem. Being that you started this thread cruiser, you should have taken the time to round out your knowledge of the subject matter.

Do you realize how many americans are within a paycheck or two of homelessness? Granted alot of people have family and friends to fall back on, but the rest end up on the street. And on most being mentally ill, please ... My experience showed about 10% ..

Why should I clutter my head with BS hand-wringing like this? As long as I keep my skills sharp and remain smart enough to SAVE some of what I earn I'll be fine. BTW smartass, your "expereince" is wrong and probably derived from too much TV watching.

You part of that statistic you made up? Sure hope you never have to face what happens to alot of people. I chalk the rest up to being a troll.

Worry about yourself, dickhead. And while you're at it, STFU.

What did I say to piss you off so much? To much reality today? And I was serious, I hope the best for you and your wife, not meant as an insult.

Uh oh, you just got predictable. Let's see, you talk out your ass to me like I'm your little brother, I don't buy it, I'm then called a troll and asked if I'm insane, I retaliate and now, of course, I'm "pissed off." Sorry dude, things are going way to good for me to get pissed over absolutely nothing. Being that you're so sensitive and sweet, you should've known that.

As for reality, I think yours is quite different from mine, dickhead. Where >I< grew up, people weren't generally sitting around downing tea and crumpets to begin with. The fairly large homeless population was made up entirely of brain-addled folks. If fact, I don't recall seeing ONE person in that state who wasn't fried in some way or another. So yeah dickhead, don't go whinging at me about reality. I think I've seen a LOT more of it than you have.

Oh, crumpetts and tea .... how about a rural mtn state, I had it so well when I graduated with a 2 year tech degree. I joined the army for 5 years, because their was no other work available. When I got out I went back to school for 3 more years on my paultry 15k GI bill. During that time I worked as a VA work study at a homeless shelter, which turned into a part time job, the other half was running a homegrown computer business that just barely made ends meet. So yes, I have the experience I claimed, and no I didn't come from the 'tea and crumpet society'.

At least I backed up my numbers with a link to a Feb 2005 study, and my own experience. For a change I felt I could lend some actual experience to a thread, not the the normal opinions you see.

Again, sorry if I offended you.

Boo-hoo, what a (potentially fabricated) tale of woe! Now it's time for the Pissing Contest(tm)? No, not for me, dickhead. Oh, and just for the record, I didn't even bother clicking on your link. It means even less to me than you do, which is saying something of magnitude.

Now, is there anything further?

 

[Jhhnn]

In other words, Hard Warrior, you believe what you want to believe, and there ain't a'nothin' gonna change it...

Apparently because it's extremely convenient and self-satisfying to do so...

The part that you seem to forget is that life is a combination of factors, one of them being pure luck- we're all lucky we weren't born bangladeshis, for starters, and have probably had fortune smile on us more times than we'll ever realize.

And you seem to want to introduce some sort of moral value to the situation, acting as if alcoholism, drug addiction and mental illness aren't really diseases, which they are...

Mad Skillz? Rent "Regarding Henry" with Harrison Ford...

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
In other words, Hard Warrior, you believe what you want to believe, and there ain't a'nothin' gonna change it...

Yeah, and you're any different? I should toss out MY life lesson because some gas-bag without a face SAYS so. You could have kept this to yourself, dude.

Apparently because it's extremely convenient and self-satisfying to do so...

Curses, foiled again!

The part that you seem to forget is that life is a combination of factors, one of them being pure luck- we're all lucky we weren't born bangladeshis, for starters, and have probably had fortune smile on us more times than we'll ever realize.

Well now, aren't you a regular fountain of wisdom?

And you seem to want to introduce some sort of moral value to the situation, acting as if alcoholism, drug addiction and mental illness aren't really diseases, which they are...

Whuh? When did I say any such thing? You're just pontificating, trying to prove how "caring" you are at my expense. Charming. I've got a flash, chimp: I couldn't care less. Moral value? Where? This is an internet forum sweet pea, not the Harvard debating hall.

Mad Skillz? Rent "Regarding Henry" with Harrison Ford...

This is your coup de grace, a lame pop-culture reference?

Pick another target for your prattle, OTAY?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep, straight rage and denial- entirely predictable. It's a function of conditioning, and of an overimportance attached to self, but then, your ego rules out the possibility that you could see that... Mental defectives don't necessarily come off as lame, some of the more successful exhibit all the traits of sociopathy, a whole different kind of defect.

Maybe Dickens' "A Christmas Carol" would be more appropriate...

 

[Steeplerot]

Being crazy is defined by not following the current status-quo and mindset (social morays? -I am reaching here waay back to sociology in college), but then the greatest minds and people who make history are the ones who do just that.

But then the greatest writers and thinkers usually die almost homeless to only be recognized after their passing, ironic? Not in my book.