Holy hell...

[theevilsharpie]

Yeah. Nobody does. Im sure these groups (just as an example) are filled with illegal content:

alt.binaries.clip-art
alt.binaries.pictures.autos
alt.binaries.pictures.cartoons
alt.binaries.pictures.celebrities
alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art
alt.binaries.pictures.gardens
alt.binaries.pictures.horses
alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles
alt.binaries.pictures.movie-posters
comp.os.linux.advocacy
comp.os.linux.alpha
comp.os.linux.development.apps
comp.os.linux.development.system
comp.os.linux.hardware
comp.os.linux.m68k
comp.os.linux.networking
comp.os.linux.portable
comp.os.linux.powerpc
comp.os.linux.security
comp.os.linux.setup
comp.os.linux.x

Yes, because millions of people pay $20/month to services like Giganews so they can access alt.binaries.pictures.horses. All those ISPs and universities that decommissioned their Usenet servers citing increasing costs? It was because they were buckling under the massive load of alt.binaries.pictures.gardens.



Please don't treat me like an idiot. We all know why services like NZBMatrix exist, and it sure as hell isn't because people are looking for clip art.

 

[Anonemous]

/used newsgroups for almost 15 years... they were pretty good for binaries back in the day where you had to manually decode each part to obtain the zip...

 

[blackangst1]

Yes, because millions of people pay $20/month to services like Giganews so they can access alt.binaries.pictures.horses. All those ISPs and universities that decommissioned their Usenet servers citing increasing costs? It was because they were buckling under the massive load of alt.binaries.pictures.gardens.



Please don't treat me like an idiot. We all know why services like NZBMatrix exist, and it sure as hell isn't because people are looking for clip art.

You made a general statement (Bullshit.Nobody uses Usenet to legitimately distribute large binaries) and so did I. We can agree to disagree I guess *shrug*

 

[amdhunter]

/used newsgroups for almost 15 years... they were pretty good for binaries back in the day where you had to manually decode each part to obtain the zip...

I don't exactly remember how we did it, but I remember me and a bunch of guys had alt.games.powervr set up back in the day when a couple of us ran PowerVR websites.

I'm still mad at SEGA for ruining PowerVR on the desktop. Sure it was a crap card, but there was a big community supporting it. Once PowerVR Katana hit consoles, they completely gave up on the desktop.

 

[Pulsar]

maybe because newsgroups have pirated stuff, and if I want to download something legitimate, I'd do it from a legitimate source, not from one that carries troublesome stuff.

Where have all the RIAA shills come from lately? Or is this place just attracting more and more technically illiterate people?

 

[postmortemIA]

Where have all the RIAA shills come from lately? Or is this place just attracting more and more technically illiterate people?

Are you gonna BS us too that you're getting horses and gardens pictures? Or you're in camp 'copying is not stealing'?

I haven't seen yet what is that good non-pirated stuff on newsgroups.

Btw I was online when gopher was in use, 'nuff about my 'illiteracy'

 

[BladeVenom]

Microsoft was providing support on Usenet up until just a couple of years ago. So it has a long history of legitimate uses. It was being used legitimately long before it was used for piracy.

 

[postmortemIA]

Microsoft was providing support on Usenet up until just a couple of years ago. So it has a long history of legitimate uses. It was being used legitimately long before it was used for piracy.

There are lots of newsgroups out there for any topic you can think about. Most ISPs give you free access to them, and even google lets you browse them. But we're talking here about paid services so users get fast access to various 'binaries' groups that are usually not provided by ISPs.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Microsoft was providing support on Usenet up until just a couple of years ago. So it has a long history of legitimate uses. It was being used legitimately long before it was used for piracy.

I don't think anyone is disputing Usenet's history as a communication medium, but it's just that: history. People used Usenet for a long time to communicate because there was nothing better, but moderated web forums, blogs, and social network platforms have largely displaced Usenet for that purpose. For the few diehards that still cling to Usenet as a discussion forum, multiple free providers are available for viewing and posting text content.

Services like Giganews, Astraweb, NNTPJunkie, etc? Nobody would use them if they weren't a conduit for piracy, and these companies know it.

 

[MonKENy]

I dont care what your stance is on piracy. You should all be against take down notices of any kind other than child porn.

Quit giving up your freedoms. This is going to get worse and worse until there is no safe haven left.

Keep letting the FBI, CIA, RIAA, SOPA, PACTA and every other acronym keep pushing further into your lives and soon you wont have a life to encroach on.

It will only get worse. what happens when sites start getting shut down because they "may have" violated copyright? What happens when they start shutting us down because we are discussing some things that goes against a TOS? You laugh but wait. Its a slowly devolving system. Ive been watching it for years and thats where its going.

We have one last haven dont let it go. Even if you are against pirating are you more against freedom of rights? Freedom of speech, freedom of expression? When you are blinded and your tounge cut out how will you raise yourselfes against the inequitys of man then?

Please guys think. There is more power in 1 than most people can imagine now. We have been beat down for so long that we forget how truly powerful we are.

They need us we dont need them. Government cannot exist but for the needs of man. The political powers and strength there of are only as we should dictate them. For each voice that calls against it a law should not remain.

 

[BladeVenom]

There are lots of newsgroups out there for any topic you can think about. Most ISPs give you free access to them,

That's been awhile. Several years ago, RIAA stooge Andrew Cuomo forced most ISPs to drop free usenet access.

and even google lets you browse them.

Google Groups suck. Deja News was great for reading discussions, before Google bought them, but Google ruined it. Google groups has to be the worst way to read usenet in the history of the internet. Even AOL was light years better than Google Groups.

 

[Tommy2000GT]

I paid for a lifetime subscription 1 year ago so I feel ripped off.

 

[Brainonska511]

I dont care what your stance is on piracy. You should all be against take down notices of any kind other than child porn.

Why? They don't have the right to distribute the content; the rights holders should be able to legally enforce their rights. Do rights holders use heavy-handed tactics and lobbying at times, sure, I don't deny that. None of that stops these sites from hosting perfectly legitimate content.

 

[theevilsharpie]

We have one last haven dont let it go. Even if you are against pirating are you more against freedom of rights? Freedom of speech, freedom of expression? When you are blinded and your tounge cut out how will you raise yourselfes against the inequitys of man then?

Please guys think. There is more power in 1 than most people can imagine now. We have been beat down for so long that we forget how truly powerful we are.

They need us we dont need them. Government cannot exist but for the needs of man. The political powers and strength there of are only as we should dictate them. For each voice that calls against it a law should not remain.

You know the funny part about this rant? The Founding Fathers and their supporters were so radical that they declared war against one of the world's largest military powers and risked absolutely everything in their fight for self-determination, and even they respected copyrights.

Freedom of speech and expression gives you the right to publish your creative works without censorship from the government. It doesn't entitle you to freely copy the works of others against their will.

 

[lxskllr]

You know the funny part about this rant? The Founding Fathers and their supporters were so radical that they declared war against one of the world's largest military powers and risked absolutely everything in their fight for self-determination, and even they respected copyrights.

I sincerely rejoice at the acceptance of our new constitution by nine states. It is a good canvas, on which some strokes only want re-touching. What these are, I think are sufficiently manifested by the general voice from North to South, which calls for a bill of rights. It seems pretty generally understood that this should go to juries, habeas corpus, standing armies, printing, religion and monopolies. I conceive there may be difficulty in finding general modification of these suited to the habits of all the states. But if such cannot be found then it is better to establish trials by jury, the right of Habeas corpus, freedom of the press and freedom of religion in all cases, and to abolish standing armies in time of peace, and monopolies, in all cases, than not to do it in any... The saying there shall be no monopolies lessens the incitements to ingenuity, which is spurred on by the hope of a monopoly for a limited time, as of 14 years; but the benefit even of limited monopolies is too doubtful to be opposed to that of their general suppression.

With regard to monopolies they are justly classed among the greatest nuisances in government. But is it clear that as encouragements to literary works and ingenious discoveries, they are not too valuable to be wholly renounced? Would it not suffice to reserve in all cases a right to the public to abolish the privilege at a price to be specified in the grant of it? Is there not also infinitely less danger of this abuse in our governments than in most others? Monopolies are sacrifices of the many to the few. Where the power is in the few it is natural for them to sacrifice the many to their own partialities and corruptions. Where the power, as with us, is in the many not in the few, the danger can not be very great that the few will be thus favored. It is much more to be dreaded that the few will be unnecessarily sacrificed to the many.

It isn't clear at all what they thought of copyright. Madison's concern has been turned on it's ass, where the few hold power over the many. The government is supposed to be by the people, and for the people, but we have by the corporations, and for the corporations.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

In before delete?

Piracy isn't the economic epidemic these multinational corporations pretend it is, but it's also not the morally appropriate thing to do either. We used to trade mix tapes back in the 80's and a lot of this is no different, but a lot of people take it to the extreme and download just because they can and don't want to pay.

 

[Ns1]

I cant speak for the end of the other thread, but the big problem is many people automatically assume newsgroups = piracy. Which is 100% BS. NZB's are used for more than just downloading recent movie releases. Its like saying someone who uses TOR *must* be doing something illegal.

You're right.

Newsgroups are 98% about piracy.

 

[Ausm]

I suggest

alt.binaries.pictures.bondage.rodents.ducttape

 

[theevilsharpie]

It isn't clear at all what they thought of copyright.

We'll never know their innermost private thoughts about copyright protections, but we know they felt it important enough to enshrine in the U.S. Constitution, and that's really all that counts.

You're right.

Newsgroups are 98% about piracy.

I think you give modern-day newsgroups too much credit. If greater than 0.01% of the traffic was legitimate, I'd be surprised.

 

[lxskllr]

We'll never know their innermost private thoughts about copyright protections, but we know they felt it important enough to enshrine in the U.S. Constitution, and that's really all that counts.

Yes, for a LIMITED time. It takes some herculean mental gymnastics to construe what we have today as being "limited".

I like the declaration of rights as far as it goes,
but I should have been for going further. For
instance, the following alterations and additons would
have pleased me... Article 9. Monopolies may be
allowed to persons for their own productions in literature,
and their own inventions in the arts, for a term not
exceeding ___ years, but for no longer term, and for no
other purpose.

 

[HydroSqueegee]

well... back to ripping DVDs i guess...

 

[j&j]

well since this is still open, I am willing to pay for invites to the certain good index/search sites so i can find my clip art easily still.

PM me with what you've got.

 

[Ns1]

well since this is still open, I am willing to pay for invites to the certain good index/search sites so i can find my clip art easily still.

PM me with what you've got.

Are you looking for pictures of autos, fine-art, or gardens?

 

[BillGates]

Are you looking for pictures of autos, fine-art, or gardens?

Horses, I bet.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Yes, for a LIMITED time. It takes some herculean mental gymnastics to construe what we have today as being "limited".

I'll certainly agree with you there. Patents and (particularly) copyrights have been extended to the point of abuse, and the system is in dire need of reform.

If pirates were releasing things like Snow White and Bambi as an act of civil disobedience against companies that abuse excessively long copyrights, I wouldn't have a problem with it. However, they're releasing anything and everything, often before it's been officially published. I'm not sure what a reasonable limit for a copyright is in today's world, but I'm pretty sure it's greater than '0'