holy crap

[dbk]

Holy crap! Look at the guts on the ground beside all the dead...

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
They look like Hamas militants, and they were parading. If so, some Israeli pilot hit the jackpot.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2...strikes/art.boy.gi.jpg

Does he look like a fucking militant to you?

Shove it (to all the haters). I've been there, I've seen shit. Gaza City is one of the most densely populated areas on the entire fucking planet. Carpet-bombing it is a guaranteed way to kill tons of innocent civilians.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel uses their air force too much.

If they want to stop rocket attacks they need to send in the troops. Bombing a couple buildings isn't going to stop a couple guys building rockets and launching them into Israel.

Israel already tried that, remember? It didn't work out so well for Damascus.

 

[mjrpes3]

http://www.nogw.com/images/wiping-off-map.jpg

hamas is the aggressor? lol

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: mjrpes3
http://www.nogw.com/images/wiping-off-map.jpg

hamas is the aggressor? lol

Wow, thanks for the clarification. I didn't think it was that bad.

The painful images below reminded me of Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Israeli air strikes on Hamas kill 208

One Palestinian killed, at least 29 injured in night strikes on Gaza

 

[timosyy]

Hamas is the aggressor if you acknowledge Israel as a sovereign state, which almost none of its neighbors do but the US does. I was operating from that point of view.

Palestine is not an internationally (UN)-recognized sovereign state.

 

[KK]

they just need to kill that arafat guy.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Gaza has brought this on themselves. Period.

they fired missiles and they thought they can get away with it. They hide within civilians like cowards. then they blame israel when Israel tries to kill the terrorist but kills 2 civilians in the act.

 

[sswingle]

Originally posted by: wwswimming
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2...ome.gaza.05.afp.gi.jpg

that's the URL for the pic, which won't be on the front page forever.

thank you for having the foresight to post that link. All the above posters fail.

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Gaza has brought this on themselves. Period.

they fired missiles and they thought they can get away with it. They hide within civilians like cowards. then they blame israel when Israel tries to kill the terrorist but kills 2 civilians in the act.

The blockade for over a year prevented basic need for medicine, food, water, and electricity would have you up in arms too.

Israelis in humane tactics pay off is incite angers from the Palestinians that they are enslaving

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Gaza has brought this on themselves. Period.

they fired missiles and they thought they can get away with it. They hide within civilians like cowards. then they blame israel when Israel tries to kill the terrorist but kills 2 civilians in the act.

The blockade for over a year prevented basic need for medicine, food, water, and electricity would have you up in arms too.

Israelis in humane tactics pay off is incite angers from the Palestinians that they are enslaving

The US has had an embargo against Cuba for years, but you don't see Cuba trying to blow things up in Florida.
The Palestinians have a unique brand of insanity, when they keep attacking Israel.
The Egyptians and most other muslim countries have learned their lesson, and no longer attack Israel.
Israel needs to keep pushing the Palestinians back every time they attack. The only answer is a large buffer zone between the two.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Gaza has brought this on themselves. Period.

they fired missiles and they thought they can get away with it. They hide within civilians like cowards. then they blame israel when Israel tries to kill the terrorist but kills 2 civilians in the act.

The blockade for over a year prevented basic need for medicine, food, water, and electricity would have you up in arms too.

Israelis in humane tactics pay off is incite angers from the Palestinians that they are enslaving

And yet it was maybe a week ago that Israel started opening up the borders to let supplies in...yet the attacks continue. The fact is that it is a self sustaining war. Short of Israel surrendering Palestine will continue to attack Israel for one reason or another resulting in retaliations.

 

[NoShangriLa]

The US has had an embargo against Cuba for years, but you don't see Cuba trying to blow things up in Florida.
The Palestinians have a unique brand of insanity, when they keep attacking Israel.
The Egyptians and most other muslim countries have learned their lesson, and no longer attack Israel.
Israel needs to keep pushing the Palestinians back every time they attack. The only answer is a large buffer zone between the two.

You are right that Cuba didn't bomb the US due to its embargo, but maybe vast area of ocean has something to do with it.

And, you should check the link provided by mjrpes3 that shown that Israel have more than enough of a buffer zone that they stole from the Palestinians, and to make matter worst the arrogant Israeli moved in & built their house in disputed land and put them self closer to the line of fire.

I don't see American citizens that stupid enough to build their homes within a few hundred yards of Cuban border, let alone built on their soil.

And yet it was maybe a week ago that Israel started opening up the borders to let supplies in...yet the attacks continue. The fact is that it is a self sustaining war. Short of Israel surrendering Palestine will continue to attack Israel for one reason or another resulting in retaliations.

You are correct that the border did opened up, but that doesn't mean there are extremists that will do anything to incite a war on both side. Why would collateral punishment work now if it didn't work for decades?

It is the same old propaganda that I have heard and seen before. Just like the North & South Vietnamese propaganda during the war and it took almost 20 years after the American left Vietnam, and only after the embargo ended before the propaganda stopped.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
You are correct that the border did opened up, but that doesn't mean there are extremists that will do anything to incite a war on both side. Why would collateral punishment work now if it didn't work for decades?

It is the same old propaganda that I have heard and seen before. Just like the North & South Vietnamese propaganda during the war and it took almost 20 years after the American left Vietnam, and only after the embargo ended before the propaganda stopped.

And what is the solution? Both groups more or less have a claim to the same land. Short of Israel leaving the entire region somehow Palestine will continue to attack Israel. I don't see how Israel can really solve this. Them completely leaving Israel is not a realistic option, yet every time they have tried to relax restrictions on Palestine they get hit with more attacks.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Pocatello
The way the bodies are strewing around, they died where they stood, and people are carrying the bodies away from the scene. They got what the always wanted, virgins promised to them in heaven.

The last thing I'd expect to see upon arrival in heaven is ATOT

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Stop having a fucking opinion about this one way or the other. We're over here; they're over there. They're adults. Let them fight it out.

One side has this habit of flying planes into US buildings, which makes it our business. I hope Israel starts using nukes.

9/11 was perpetrated by palestinians c/d?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: timosyy
Hamas is the aggressor if you acknowledge Israel as a sovereign state, which almost none of its neighbors do but the US does. I was operating from that point of view.

Palestine is not an internationally (UN)-recognized sovereign state.

i thought syria was the only bordering country that did not recognize israel?

 

[OurasBob]

Originally posted by: mjrpes3
http://www.nogw.com/images/wiping-off-map.jpg

hamas is the aggressor? lol

Yes.

After WWI the Ottoman Empire was broken up, and the British given mandate over Transjordan, which includes the modern day territories of Israel and Jordan.

The Ottoman Empire sided with the aggressors in WWI, and as a result, land was taken from them after their defeat.

After WWII the British gave up their mandate and with the League of Nations drafted a plan for a Palestinian state and an Israeli state. The Israeli state was only about 15% of the original plan.

Immediately after the Israeli state claimed independence, it was attacked from all sides in the Arab Israeli war. Israel lost 1% of her population, but repelled the invasion and claimed land from Palestine.

In 1967 Egypt blockaded Israel and amassed an invasion force on the Israeli border. Having already been attacked from all sides once, Israel struck first and defeated Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, along with Arabic troops from several other nations, capturing the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank.

Every Palestinian loss of land has come as the result of aggression, all the way back to the Ottoman Empire.

So yes, they attacked in the past and had land taken from them when they were driven back. Now they want it back.

If the British landed in Boston Harbor tomorrow and began launching rockets into the city, they too would be the aggressors.


Edited to say:

I'm not saying Israel has the moral high ground.

I'm simply saying that in war, to the victor goes the spoils, and that includes land.

Trying to take back spoils of war will always result in another war.

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
You are correct that the border did opened up, but that doesn't mean there are extremists that will do anything to incite a war on both side. Why would collateral punishment work now if it didn't work for decades?

It is the same old propaganda that I have heard and seen before. Just like the North & South Vietnamese propaganda during the war and it took almost 20 years after the American left Vietnam, and only after the embargo ended before the propaganda stopped.

And what is the solution? Both groups more or less have a claim to the same land. Short of Israel leaving the entire region somehow Palestine will continue to attack Israel. I don't see how Israel can really solve this. Them completely leaving Israel is not a realistic option, yet every time they have tried to relax restrictions on Palestine they get hit with more attacks.

Courtesy of mjrpes3, Text.
Many immigrants including my family left our home & ran away from where we were prosecuted to make a new life in another country with nothing on our back. And, the Palestinian have done the same for the most part, while the only thing that I have seen or heard is that Israelis continues to encroach upon the stolen land. It clearly indicated that the Israelis are the aggressor here.

The Zionist movement is a flawed movement that was created by the allies. And. it may work if the allies accept its responsibility and relocates Israelis to pro Israel countries if the Israelis accept it, which I highly doubted.

The only way I see this will work at the present is that Israel completely wipe out the Palestinians and continues to suppress its neighbors with the support of the US. Or, the US cut Israel of its tits and let the Arabs pushes the Zionist into the ocean.

I'm not holding my breath for the day that the 2 antagonists put down their arms and work things out diplomatically.

PS. Occupying someone else land hasn't worked for powerful nations such as Japan, Britain, France, Germany, China, Russia, or the US.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: OurasBob

Originally posted by: mjrpes3
http://www.nogw.com/images/wiping-off-map.jpg

hamas is the aggressor? lol

Yes.

After WWI the Ottoman Empire was broken up, and the British given mandate over Transjordan, which includes the modern day territories of Israel and Jordan.

The Ottoman Empire sided with the aggressors in WWI, and as a result, land was taken from them after their defeat.

After WWII the British gave up their mandate and with the League of Nations drafted a plan for a Palestinian state and an Israeli state. The Israeli state was only about 15% of the original plan.

Immediately after the Israeli state claimed independence, it was attacked from all sides in the Arab Israeli war. Israel lost 1% of her population, but repelled the invasion and claimed land from Palestine.

In 1967 Egypt blockaded Israel and amassed an invasion force on the Israeli border. Having already been attacked from all sides once, Israel struck first and defeated Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, along with Arabic troops from several other nations, capturing the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank.

Every Palestinian loss of land has come as the result of aggression, all the way back to the Ottoman Empire.

So yes, they attacked in the past and had land taken from them when they were driven back. Now they want it back.

If the British landed in Boston Harbor tomorrow and began launching rockets into the city, they too would be the aggressors.

go back to lurking

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Pocatello
The way the bodies are strewing around, they died where they stood, and people are carrying the bodies away from the scene. They got what the always wanted, virgins promised to them in heaven.

The last thing I'd expect to see upon arrival in heaven is ATOT

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Stop having a fucking opinion about this one way or the other. We're over here; they're over there. They're adults. Let them fight it out.

One side has this habit of flying planes into US buildings, which makes it our business. I hope Israel starts using nukes.

9/11 was perpetrated by palestinians c/d?

The same muslim values and attitudes. Even when born and raised in an entirely different culture, they seem to feel an instinctual urge to go out and bomb things.

 

[Leafy]

Wow more countries need to use tit-for-tat. Seems like they're just bickering about religion shit. Imagine: a world without religion.

 

[Baked]

I can't believe nobody said this yet. P&N!

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Courtesy of mjrpes3, Text.
Many immigrants including my family left our home & ran away from where we were prosecuted to make a new life in another country with nothing on our back. And, the Palestinian have done the same for the most part, while the only thing that I have seen or heard is that Israelis continues to encroach upon the stolen land. It clearly indicated that the Israelis are the aggressor here.

The Zionist movement is a flawed movement that was created by the allies. And. it may work if the allies accept its responsibility and relocates Israelis to pro Israel countries if the Israelis accept it, which I highly doubted.

The only way I see this will work at the present is that Israel completely wipe out the Palestinians and continues to suppress its neighbors with the support of the US. Or, the US cut Israel of its tits and let the Arabs pushes the Zionist into the ocean.

I'm not holding my breath for the day that the 2 antagonists put down their arms and work things out diplomatically.

PS. Occupying someone else land hasn't worked for powerful nations such as Japan, Britain, France, Germany, China, Russia, or the US.

Spouting off about the "zionist movement" prett well places you as a nutjob. Oh, and pretty much every single country in the world is no longer populated by its original peoples. Guess what, Palestine was not alwas Palestine. Germany was not always Germany. Etc, etc.

Oh, and note the dates on the map above, all of them seem to correspond with Israel being attacked by outside forces...hmmmmm

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Courtesy of mjrpes3, Text.
Many immigrants including my family left our home & ran away from where we were prosecuted to make a new life in another country with nothing on our back. And, the Palestinian have done the same for the most part, while the only thing that I have seen or heard is that Israelis continues to encroach upon the stolen land. It clearly indicated that the Israelis are the aggressor here.

The Zionist movement is a flawed movement that was created by the allies. And. it may work if the allies accept its responsibility and relocates Israelis to pro Israel countries if the Israelis accept it, which I highly doubted.

The only way I see this will work at the present is that Israel completely wipe out the Palestinians and continues to suppress its neighbors with the support of the US. Or, the US cut Israel of its tits and let the Arabs pushes the Zionist into the ocean.

I'm not holding my breath for the day that the 2 antagonists put down their arms and work things out diplomatically.

PS. Occupying someone else land hasn't worked for powerful nations such as Japan, Britain, France, Germany, China, Russia, or the US.

Spouting off about the "zionist movement" prett well places you as a nutjob. Oh, and pretty much every single country in the world is no longer populated by its original peoples. Guess what, Palestine was not alwas Palestine. Germany was not always Germany. Etc, etc.

Oh, and note the dates on the map above, all of them seem to correspond with Israel being attacked by outside forces...hmmmmm

So why should there be Israel if it isn't a single populace?
Should Jew live among Arabs as brother in an Arab country instead of carving out a country for them self?
Or, you are just making excuses for the allies for setting up a compound for displaced Jewish that they don't want to have in their nations?

What give the Israeli right to keep on annexing Palestinian land because some other entity attack them? If in that case, then the US have every right to annex Iraq and every other nations on earth, because Afghanistan attacked NY.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Courtesy of mjrpes3, Text.
Many immigrants including my family left our home & ran away from where we were prosecuted to make a new life in another country with nothing on our back. And, the Palestinian have done the same for the most part, while the only thing that I have seen or heard is that Israelis continues to encroach upon the stolen land. It clearly indicated that the Israelis are the aggressor here.

The Zionist movement is a flawed movement that was created by the allies. And. it may work if the allies accept its responsibility and relocates Israelis to pro Israel countries if the Israelis accept it, which I highly doubted.

The only way I see this will work at the present is that Israel completely wipe out the Palestinians and continues to suppress its neighbors with the support of the US. Or, the US cut Israel of its tits and let the Arabs pushes the Zionist into the ocean.

I'm not holding my breath for the day that the 2 antagonists put down their arms and work things out diplomatically.

PS. Occupying someone else land hasn't worked for powerful nations such as Japan, Britain, France, Germany, China, Russia, or the US.

Spouting off about the "zionist movement" prett well places you as a nutjob. Oh, and pretty much every single country in the world is no longer populated by its original peoples. Guess what, Palestine was not alwas Palestine. Germany was not always Germany. Etc, etc.

Oh, and note the dates on the map above, all of them seem to correspond with Israel being attacked by outside forces...hmmmmm

So why should there be Israel if it isn't a single populace?
Should Jew live among Arabs as brother in an Arab country instead of carving out a country for them self?
Or, you are just making excuses for the allies for setting up a compound for displaced Jewish that they don't want to have in their nations?

What give the Israeli right to keep on annexing Palestinian land because some other entity attack them? If in that case, then the US have every right to annex Iraq and every other nations on earth, because Afghanistan attacked NY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

Different groups have controlled the land that is currently called Palestine. Who has a greater right to it?