HOLY $&#@!!! 2004.5 Ram Heavy Duty Cummins "600"; 325HP.....600 lb-ft torque

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: geno
Yes, I realize that - fact still stands that Dodge has the strongest lineup of trucks, no matter who's making the motor.

Strongest line of trucks provided you don't actually need that transmission thingy. 😉 It'll make a really nice generator once that transmission fails.

ZV

 

[bernse]

The tranny has always been the Dodges weak point. It is not nearly as good as the Allison or even the Ford. They will have to do some serious work on it to handle this as they've been having trouble even before without the extra oomf.

I think its a 48RE... which is just a beefed up car tranny.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: geno

The mining truck weighs 166,000 lbs, the Ram has a towing capacity of 16,000 lbs. Someone explain this to me how the ram can tow a 166,000 lb vehicle.

Towing capacity doesn't determine the max amount of weight the truck can move, it determines how much it can move at a competent speed. Obviously towing 166,000lbs won't produce and acceptable speed on the streets 😛

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just speaking off of logic...

Actually, it's largely determined by braking. You have to be able to stop that load once you get it moving. There are also longevity factors (clamping force factors when dealing with the clutch of a manual transmission), and of course the factor you mentioned too.

ZV

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: bernse
The tranny has always been the Dodges weak point. It is not nearly as good as the Allison or even the Ford. They will have to do some serious work on it to handle this as they've been having trouble even before without the extra oomf.

I think its a 48RE... which is just a beefed up car tranny.

I had heard the Fords version of the Allison found in its HD pickups was a cheap Chinese ripoff which was having HORRID failure rates recently. For whatever thats worth.
IMO, fact is engineers are playing the numbers game and focusing on advertising numbers (HP & torque) and forgetting when you up them, you damn well better have the guts to support it. 600 pounds of torque is gonna move SOMETHING, be it the load or the U joints or the transmission. Something WILL give. Question is what?

 

[PG]

Originally posted by: Transition
The mining truck weighs 166,000 lbs, the Ram has a towing capacity of 16,000 lbs. Someone explain this to me how the ram can tow a 166,000 lb vehicle.

You misread or misunderstood what was written:

2004.5 Dodge Ram Heavy Duty Cummins "600" towing a Caterpillar 777D Mining Truck with a gross vehicle weight of 155,684 pounds. The Caterpillar 777D stands 33.1 ft. tall and 20 ft. wide. Click image to enlarge

GVWR is not what the vehicle weighs, it's what it weighs + what it can tow and haul all added together. The dodge or any big truck shouldn't have a problem moving that truck around. It looks like a bigger deal than it really is.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: geno

The mining truck weighs 166,000 lbs, the Ram has a towing capacity of 16,000 lbs. Someone explain this to me how the ram can tow a 166,000 lb vehicle.

Towing capacity doesn't determine the max amount of weight the truck can move, it determines how much it can move at a competent speed. Obviously towing 166,000lbs won't produce and acceptable speed on the streets 😛

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just speaking off of logic...

Actually, it's largely determined by braking. You have to be able to stop that load once you get it moving. There are also longevity factors (clamping force factors when dealing with the clutch of a manual transmission), and of course the factor you mentioned too.

ZV

Very true, I always forget about the most important part of towing - braking *slaps forehead* I remember having this conversation when discussing towing on another forum... doh

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Think the frame/suspension/tranny can handle those numbers? If history repeats itself...No.

Yah, most people think the Engine is the most important part of a truck.. well really it's not, truck motors last a long time anyway. The Tranny is way more important.. Performance is EASY to add <--- this bolts on in 6 hours.

Edit: Disclaimer - I would never put a KB kit on my cehicle though 😉 Whipple/Radix kit for a positive displacment blower on a domestic 😉

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Think the frame/suspension/tranny can handle those numbers? If history repeats itself...No.

I remember stories of the early Dodge/Cummins poping out windshilds or cracking them
because the chassis would twist up, big time.........:sun:

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: geno

The mining truck weighs 166,000 lbs, the Ram has a towing capacity of 16,000 lbs. Someone explain this to me how the ram can tow a 166,000 lb vehicle.

Towing capacity doesn't determine the max amount of weight the truck can move, it determines how much it can move at a competent speed. Obviously towing 166,000lbs won't produce and acceptable speed on the streets 😛

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just speaking off of logic...

Actually, it's largely determined by braking. You have to be able to stop that load once you get it moving. There are also longevity factors (clamping force factors when dealing with the clutch of a manual transmission), and of course the factor you mentioned too.

ZV

Very true, I always forget about the most important part of towing - braking *slaps forehead* I remember having this conversation when discussing towing on another forum... doh

Considering that almost every trailer over 1500lbs has its own supplemtary braking system, in reality it isn't as important as the tow vehicles brakes aren't doing all the work.
Unless, of course, there's a faliure. Then, it only has to work once! 😉

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: galvanizedyankee

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Think the frame/suspension/tranny can handle those numbers? If history repeats itself...No.

I remember stories of the early Dodge/Cummins poping out windshilds or cracking them
because the chassis would twist up, big time.........:sun:

Seems I'm not the only one thats heard of these problems.

 

[tcsenter]

GVWR is not what the vehicle weighs, it's what it weighs + what it can tow and haul all added together. The dodge or any big truck shouldn't have a problem moving that truck around. It looks like a bigger deal than it really is.

GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) does not factor in towing but may include trailer tongue weight. GVWR is the maximum advisable weight of a loaded vehicle including all cargo and passengers. Basically, the curb weight of the truck including all fluids and all inboard payload (including passengers).

Weight Ratings Explained

Base Curb Weight - The nominal weight of a vehicle with standard equipment and a full tank of fuel. It does not include passengers, cargo or optional equipment.

Cargo Weight - Includes all weight added to the base curb weight, including passengers, cargo and optional equipment. Trailer tongue weight is also part of the cargo weight when towing.

Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) - The actual weight of the vehicle when fully loaded. It is the base curb weight plus the cargo weight.

Payload - The combined, maximum allowable weight of cargo, occupants and optional equipment that the vehicle is designed to carry. (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating minus the base curb weight.)

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) - The maximum allowable weight of the fully loaded vehicle.

Gross Combined Weight (GCW) - The actual weight of the vehicle and trailer combined. This weight should always be obtained by weighing the vehicle and trailer together on a scale.

Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) - The maximum weight of the towing vehicle and the loaded trailer - including cargo and passengers.

Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight - The maximum allowable fully loaded weight of the trailer. This weight is obtained by subtracting the towing vehicle's GVW from its GCWR.

Gross Axle Weight (GAW) - The total weight supported by each axle (front or rear). To compute this weight for your vehicle and trailer combined, take the loaded vehicle and trailer to a scale. With the trailer attached, place the front wheels of the vehicle on the scale to obtain the front GAW. To obtain the rear GAW, weigh the towing vehicle with the trailer attached, but with just the four wheels of the vehicle on the scale. The rear GAW is determined by subtracting the front GAW from that amount.

Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) - The total weight each axle is capable of carrying. The total load on each axle must not exceed its GAWR.

 

[CraigRT]

that is... SO.... freaking badass...

:love;

 

[LAUST]

Dodge could use Poop as a tranny and you would still like it 😛 oh wait they do 😉

 

[Zebo]

A 300,000 mi engine in a 50,000 mi truck..Deos'nt make sense😛

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: CraigRT
that is... SO.... freaking badass...

:love;

Dodge could use Poop as a tranny and you would still like it 😛 oh wait they do 😉

Cmon, you have to admit that 600ft-lbs is might tasty out of the box 😛

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: bernse
The tranny has always been the Dodges weak point. It is not nearly as good as the Allison or even the Ford. They will have to do some serious work on it to handle this as they've been having trouble even before without the extra oomf.

I think its a 48RE... which is just a beefed up car tranny.

Chrysler doesn't really have any RWD cars.. Viper?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: bernse
The tranny has always been the Dodges weak point. It is not nearly as good as the Allison or even the Ford. They will have to do some serious work on it to handle this as they've been having trouble even before without the extra oomf.

I think its a 48RE... which is just a beefed up car tranny.

Chrysler doesn't really have any RWD cars.. Viper?

2004 Chrysler Crossfire
2004.5 Chrysler 300C
2004.5 Dodge Magnum

They all use Mercedes trannies though.

 

[maziwanka]

hahahah. heavy duty "cummins"

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: bernse
The tranny has always been the Dodges weak point. It is not nearly as good as the Allison or even the Ford. They will have to do some serious work on it to handle this as they've been having trouble even before without the extra oomf.

I think its a 48RE... which is just a beefed up car tranny.

Chrysler doesn't really have any RWD cars.. Viper?

It's heritage is the older RWD cars.

 

[Vortex22]

Originally posted by: MogulMonster

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: NFS4
LOOK AT THE PIC! :Q

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1139226

For all we know it might not even be moving.😉

You can see in the pic that it pulled it at least a truck length.

Or it just kicked up some dirt behind it while spinning the tires. 😛

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: CraigRT
that is... SO.... freaking badass...

:love;

Dodge could use Poop as a tranny and you would still like it 😛 oh wait they do 😉

Cmon, you have to admit that 600ft-lbs is might tasty out of the box 😛

Oh I love the Cummins I hope it's an option that finds it's way inot the Diesel F-150's 🙂 I just don't like what it's backed with is all, which I think is more important. Power is so easy to make now adays especially with Diesels. The Duramax has a chip rated for 120lbs of torque for it already, and the Allison 1000 will support it 😉

 

[RagingBITCH]

Pretty sweet 🙂

 

[Tetsuo]

Jebus!

 

[EyeMWing]

JESUS! The redneck in me just fell in love. I *MUST* have that truck (And it'll get used, too.)

Now I just have to convince dad that a Dodge product is a good one.