Holocaust Denier Sentenced to 5 Years

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: chambersc

The only concern the jewish people have, and should have I'd argue, is to their own holocaust. Leave the current slaughters to others activists.

What an absurd statement.

Only through rational self-interest does anything get accomplished.

 

[maziwanka]

the only point i'm going to make in this thread, as it is quickly degenerating, is that denying the holocaust is nothing like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded public place. this is a denial of free speech.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the only point i'm going to make in this thread, as it is quickly degenerating, is that denying the holocaust is nothing like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded public place. this is a denial of free speech.

Free speech isn't universal. It's subject to governmental regulations. There is no such this as ultimately free speech without government regulation.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the only point i'm going to make in this thread, as it is quickly degenerating, is that denying the holocaust is nothing like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded public place. this is a denial of free speech.

Free speech isn't universal. It's subject to governmental regulations. There is no such this as ultimately free speech without government regulation.

right, but i was trying to say that this falls within the non-government regulated free speech.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the only point i'm going to make in this thread, as it is quickly degenerating, is that denying the holocaust is nothing like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded public place. this is a denial of free speech.

Free speech isn't universal. It's subject to governmental regulations. There is no such this as ultimately free speech without government regulation.

right, but i was trying to say that this falls within the non-government regulated free speech.

but "free speech" is inherently a governmental creation. It only exists within the confines of liberties from governments.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: daveymark
next step is to jail Global Warming deniers

:roll:

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: chambersc

The only concern the jewish people have, and should have I'd argue, is to their own holocaust. Leave the current slaughters to others activists.

What an absurd statement.

Not only an absurd statement but false as well. The Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC does document the entire holocaust, not just the holocaust as it pertains to Jews as well as trying to call attention to places where genocide is occuring today.

 

[Art Vandelay]

What a bullsh!t verdict...

The guy is a douche but Germany and the rest of Europe should not brag about human rights when you cannot speak freely there.

:thumbsdown:

 

[Art Vandelay]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the only point i'm going to make in this thread, as it is quickly degenerating, is that denying the holocaust is nothing like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded public place. this is a denial of free speech.

Free speech isn't universal. It's subject to governmental regulations. There is no such this as ultimately free speech without government regulation.

right, but i was trying to say that this falls within the non-government regulated free speech.

but "free speech" is inherently a governmental creation. It only exists within the confines of liberties from governments.

use big words, oh noes, he must be smart! :roll:

what this verdict proves is that germany, a country that tries to lecture ukraine, turkey, etc. about free speech does not respect free speech at all...

oh the irony.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the only point i'm going to make in this thread, as it is quickly degenerating, is that denying the holocaust is nothing like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded public place. this is a denial of free speech.

Free speech isn't universal. It's subject to governmental regulations. There is no such this as ultimately free speech without government regulation.

right, but i was trying to say that this falls within the non-government regulated free speech.

but "free speech" is inherently a governmental creation. It only exists within the confines of liberties from governments.

The assumption that man derives his liberties FROM government, rather than use government to protect his liberty is absurd.

Try reading the Constitution, and Declaration of Independence sometime.

 

[fstime]

No freedom of speech FTL.

First they say you cant deny the holocaust, where does it end.

Sooner or later we will have a dictionary of things you cant say.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the only point i'm going to make in this thread, as it is quickly degenerating, is that denying the holocaust is nothing like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded public place. this is a denial of free speech.

Free speech isn't universal. It's subject to governmental regulations. There is no such this as ultimately free speech without government regulation.

right, but i was trying to say that this falls within the non-government regulated free speech.

but "free speech" is inherently a governmental creation. It only exists within the confines of liberties from governments.

The assumption that man derives his liberties FROM government, rather than use government to protect his liberty is absurd.

Try reading the Constitution, and Declaration of Independence sometime.

There is a difference between liberties and rights. There are some things that the gov. gives and may take away at anytime (liberties) and some things there are naturally sacrosanct (rights).

 

[RaiderJ]

If he wants to have a website spewing filth, that's his right (if he were an American).

Freedom of Speech is designed to protect speech we don't like. Duh

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Hitler also killed 4 million non-jewish christians... I have never heard Jews say sh1t about that... it always about their suffering and horror. What about about the estimated 20-30 million russian orthodox christians, germans and other political "undesirables" that Stalin killed? What about the "killing fields" of the khmer rouge? The list of horrors continues...

Rather than focus attention on one holocaust, their holocaust, Jews should talk about all recent historical holocausts... because, regardless of the numbers killed or race/ethnicity, every holocaust all equally horrible.

Updated with some links and corrections:

Khmer rouge

Stalin...scroll down to the stuff about purges

its a big deal for jews because there were already so few of them in the first place...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
While this guy and his ilk make me sick, this kind of stuff goes against all principles of free speech. Yay for freedom of speech, boo for extremists. If some nut wants to believe the holocaust did not happen, that's his right. The concept that any idea, if spoken, is sooooo dangerous to society it should be outlawed makes no sense to me. Yelling "fire" in a theater is not expressing an idea or opinion, so there's no direct comparison.

I'm glad here in the US you can still express whatever idea or opinion you want. Unless you threaten someone, you do not risk going to jail for expressing yourself.

QFT.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: chambersc


Back to the point at hand. I just read this story in The New York Times. I love the justification on how they got the guy extradited to Germany to face prosecution (he has been living in Canada for decades. "German prosecutors were able to seek his extradition on the ground that a Web site he ran was accessible in Germany."

Yeah, that part didn't sound logical at all. I can access just about every website on the internet. That doesn't mean that all those sites have to abide by all the laws in every country which it's accessible in.

 

[91TTZ]

Edit- I can't read.

 

[Ruptga]

Anyone's rights extend only as far as they conflict with someone else's rights; I'm glad to see something being done about people like him.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: chambersc

The only concern the jewish people have, and should have I'd argue, is to their own holocaust. Leave the current slaughters to others activists.

That kind of thinking is why 6 million Jews died. Nobody cared to do anything about someone else's problem. That's the wrong way to think, in my opinion.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Anyone's rights extend only as far as they conflict with someone else's rights; I'm glad to see something being done about people like him.

only thing about it that makes me glad is it happened in Germany and not here.

nobody shold go to jail for such crap.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Anyone's rights extend only as far as they conflict with someone else's rights; I'm glad to see something being done about people like him.

That guy's a moron, but it's sad to see that people like you are willing to send someone to jail for being politically incorrect.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: chambersc

The only concern the jewish people have, and should have I'd argue, is to their own holocaust. Leave the current slaughters to others activists.

What an absurd statement.

Not only an absurd statement but false as well. The Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC does document the entire holocaust, not just the holocaust as it pertains to Jews as well as trying to call attention to places where genocide is occuring today.

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, IIRC, is a US government funded museum (i.e. not a purely jewish organization). Of course it will pay attention to other holocausts...

What I am saying is that, to the best I can remember, I have never heard any Jewish organization, such as or like Bnai Brith Canada, say anything about any other holocaust or even other non-jewish victim of the Nazi holocaust.

I am not saying that jewish folks literally don't care...not all. I'm sure they do care about the sufferings of others.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Anyone's rights extend only as far as they conflict with someone else's rights; I'm glad to see something being done about people like him.

That guy's a moron, but it's sad to see that people like you are willing to send someone to jail for being politically incorrect.

Politically incorrect is saying "black man" instead of "african american man." This fella was an anti-jew propaganda worker, not a PETA PR guy, but a pro-Nazi PR guy. There is a huge difference between a standard political activist and people like this, granted the lines sometimes get fuzzy, but the lines are there. The Holocaust is a matter of history, not opinion, thus there are right and wrong answers.

It is illegal in the US to yell fire in a crowded theater etc, and this is for a reason, just as there is a reason to punish people for saying things like this guy is. Obviously the two scenarios aren't exactly the same; in the theater people die in five or ten minutes, with this guy it might take decades for his words to get people killed or repressed through nazistic policies and sentiments, but either way serious harm is done.

 

[Regs]

Free speech - with out harming others. That's usually how it goes in the USA.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Anyone's rights extend only as far as they conflict with someone else's rights; I'm glad to see something being done about people like him.

That guy's a moron, but it's sad to see that people like you are willing to send someone to jail for being politically incorrect.

Politically incorrect is saying "black man" instead of "african american man." This fella was an anti-jew propaganda worker, not a PETA PR guy, but a pro-Nazi PR guy. There is a huge difference between a standard political activist and people like this, granted the lines sometimes get fuzzy, but the lines are there. The Holocaust is a matter of history, not opinion, thus there are right and wrong answers.

It is illegal in the US to yell fire in a crowded theater etc, and this is for a reason, just as there is a reason to punish people for saying things like this guy is. Obviously the two scenarios aren't exactly the same; in the theater people die in five or ten minutes, with this guy it might take decades for his words to get people killed or repressed through nazistic policies and sentiments, but either way serious harm is done.

The guy is entitled to his view, even if it is wrong and you don't like it. He shouldn't go to jail just for saying words.