waggy
No Lifer
- Dec 14, 2000
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yeah the reason they took him was BS.
but of course we do not have ultimate freedoms. As a business owner i do not think that a Assembly should be able to shut me down and of course things that are flat out dangerous such as yelling fire In a crowded stadium etc.
but i do have the right to say the Holocaust was a scam without fear of getting arrested.
Well of course. It just goes to show that just because a person or group of people belong to a group that was "oppressed" can be bigots and racists too. Look at the basketball player recently that said he hates fags. I bet he'd be pretty pissed off if I said I hate blacks.
Sad that people can get jailed for having an opinion.
Where's the black helicopter flying overhead?
This sort of reminds me of the WW2 Japanese General who got hanged for warcrimes because he was starving and killing American POW's. During the story it was talking about how there was month long battles against entrenched Japanese, and of course American troops were captured. As the battle went on, they were finding starving and starved to death Americans in bunkers as they were being liberated. On and on about how horrible this General was. Then in the end, it said the only way they could get this Japanese General to surrender was to blow up all supply lines to this island for months and eliminated their food and supply line. All of it... A real seige.
To say that this was not a warcrime should mean I should be locked up for 5 years? Anybody with a brain would realize that we destroyed the supply line for months, so if there was starving and starved American POW's, we probably were the ones who caused that to begin with. Should this Japanese General been hanged? I'd say no. Of course he is going to feed himself and his troops before he feeds American POWs...
How much of the "holocaust" was that sort of situation? Obviously Hitler didn't want all the Jews dead. Otherwise he would have just shot them in the head were they stood. Should I be locked up too for having doubts?
Where's the black helicopter flying overhead?
This sort of reminds me of the WW2 Japanese General who got hanged for warcrimes because he was starving and killing American POW's. During the story it was talking about how there was month long battles against entrenched Japanese, and of course American troops were captured. As the battle went on, they were finding starving and starved to death Americans in bunkers as they were being liberated. On and on about how horrible this General was. Then in the end, it said the only way they could get this Japanese General to surrender was to blow up all supply lines to this island for months and eliminated their food and supply line. All of it... A real seige.
To say that this was not a warcrime should mean I should be locked up for 5 years? Anybody with a brain would realize that we destroyed the supply line for months, so if there was starving and starved American POW's, we probably were the ones who caused that to begin with. Should this Japanese General been hanged? I'd say no. Of course he is going to feed himself and his troops before he feeds American POWs...
How much of the "holocaust" was that sort of situation? Obviously Hitler didn't want all the Jews dead. Otherwise he would have just shot them in the head were they stood. Should I be locked up too for having doubts?
Well, in the United States, you're correct. If you happen to live in the county that murdered x million "undesirables" during WW2 and have passed, through the Democratic process, a law that restricts what you can and cannot say regarding said genocide, then you wouldn't be allowed to say anything negative about the Holocaust.
The German government applies this law very selectively. In Germany, there is a growing nationalist movement (see: neo-nazis) that the German government hasn't prosecuted because of the potential riots.
meltdown75
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2004
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They should just let them have their say. They don't believe the Holocaust happened, big deal. It just exposes the level of idiocy inherent in just about everything they believe in. I'd rather have their free speech protected so we can see just how ridiculous their arguments truly are.
Same goes with every other tool out there that incites hatred and breeds ignorance, all the while clinging to one of the most valuable tenets of modern democratic society - freedom of speech. Let them say what they want, it makes it possible to engage in debate and discussion about the issues at hand.
Not too long ago I was seriously offended by certain words and phrases that were being used on another forum (n-bombs). Now I hold back my disgust because I would rather remain silent and see what makes these sort of people tick than freak out and go into exile.
Same goes with every other tool out there that incites hatred and breeds ignorance, all the while clinging to one of the most valuable tenets of modern democratic society - freedom of speech. Let them say what they want, it makes it possible to engage in debate and discussion about the issues at hand.
Not too long ago I was seriously offended by certain words and phrases that were being used on another forum (n-bombs). Now I hold back my disgust because I would rather remain silent and see what makes these sort of people tick than freak out and go into exile.
I do. Frankly, it doesn't matter how much "strength" they have since once they perk the attention of the German gov, your movement is pretty much over.
BoomerD
No Lifer
- Feb 26, 2006
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While I don't agree with their message, I DO believe they have the right to believe what they want, and have the right to spout whatever kind of nonsense they choose, as long as it's not along the lines of "Shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. If we start jailing people for their ridiculous beliefs, who'll be next? Mormons? 
are you freaking serious?
To deny the Holocaust (while not illegal, nor should it be) is like (as stated) trying to claim the sun rises in the west.
The most hushed and sad I ever saw my grandfather was when he talked about going through Germany and into the concentration camps (he was in a MASH unit under Patton's command). His simple statement was that "we can never risk that again, ever."
Actually it DOES. The Nazis, KKK, etc... have said their numbers have grown very well in the last couple years. They are using the internet more and more and gaining new recruits. They are mostly using the mexican illegals as their "new" love to hate group to add new people.
Linflas
Lifer
- Jan 30, 2001
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Hitler did want all the Jews dead. His problem was one of logistics. The Nazis did not fully implement the "Final Solution" until 1942 and they experimented with many different methods trying to find the most efficient way of killing and disposing of large numbers of people. If you really think that Hitler didn't want all the Jews dead you need to go back and re-read some real history books.
Hitler also killed 4 million non-jewish christians... I have never heard Jews say sh1t about that... it always about their suffering and horror. What about about the estimated 20-30 million russian orthodox christians, germans and other political "undesirables" that Stalin killed? What about the "killing fields" of the khmer rouge? The list of horrors continues...
Rather than focus attention on one holocaust, their holocaust, Jews should talk about all recent historical holocausts... because, regardless of the numbers killed or race/ethnicity, every holocaust all equally horrible.
Updated with some links and corrections:
Khmer rouge
Stalin...scroll down to the stuff about purges
Rather than focus attention on one holocaust, their holocaust, Jews should talk about all recent historical holocausts... because, regardless of the numbers killed or race/ethnicity, every holocaust all equally horrible.
Updated with some links and corrections:
Khmer rouge
Stalin...scroll down to the stuff about purges
The only concern the jewish people have, and should have I'd argue, is to their own holocaust. Leave the current slaughters to others activists.
That is exactly what much of the world did to them during their holocaust... it wasn't until the US got bombed that we finally decide to get in the war. I think we should have got involved in WWII sooner mainly because of the holocaust.
If they aren't doing something to raise awareness of current slaughters... to me, that is short sighted of them and, in a way, highly prejudiced. Some may consider it "a lack or regard for the sufferings of others (which is very selfish) or even bigotry/racism".
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