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As of right now, he has about 48 hours to do it. I am hoping there is not another apocalyptic event prior to inauguration. I am going into surgery tomorrow morning and I don't want to wake up to a "different country."
 
Dulanic said:
If he does, it validates them. So, yeah he will.
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As with all things pardon, it's an admission of guilt that opens them up to future subpoena with no protections. If I were a prosecutor, I'd be writing down the name of everyone who accepts such a pardon.
 
Fenixgoon said:
As with all things pardon, it's an admission of guilt that opens them up to future subpoena with no protections. If I were a prosecutor, I'd be writing down the name of everyone who accepts such a pardon.
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Can you point to anyone that had accepting a pardon, used against them for further prosecution?
 
guidryp said:
Can you point to anyone that had accepting a pardon, used against them for further prosecution?
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Negative on that ghost rider. It's just something that all the news/legal analysts point out any time a pardon is dangled in front of someone's co-conspirators.
 
So the interesting open question is in these last <48 hours, will Trump pardon himself and/or his family, and in so doing admit publicly that they are guilty of federal crimes?

Note the Supreme Court precedent that issuing a pardon implies the recipient is guilty of a crime, while the recipient accepting such pardon is an explicit confession of committing the crime.
 
Some supposed rumors of POTENTIAL for a pardon for Edward Snowden. Nothing solid though, so I have no idea of the legitimacy.

If Trump pardons Snowden, I would instantly gain some respect points for him.

Which would subsequently likely be lost immediately after seeing the rest of the pardons.
 
Dave_5k said:
So the interesting open question is in these last <48 hours, will Trump pardon himself and/or his family, and in so doing admit publicly that they are guilty of federal crimes?

Note the Supreme Court precedent that issuing a pardon implies the recipient is guilty of a crime, while the recipient accepting such pardon is an explicit confession of committing the crime.
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Legal folks are divided on the legalities of pardoning for a crime that hasn't yet been charged for.

I honestly can't foresee a pardon for "future charges" to ever hold up. Maybe that's just me though.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Legal folks are divided on the legalities of pardoning for a crime that hasn't yet been charged for.

I honestly can't foresee a pardon for "future charges" to ever hold up. Maybe that's just me though.
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It did for Nixon. I don't think it would for a self pardon, however.
 
Well if it's OK with Trump, it's OK with his supporters. No big deal right? However if it was Obama or Hillary that did it........
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Tough call there I guess, the act itself had been committed. Perhaps your right, but I didn't exactly hear about ol' Jimmy Carter doing jack shit to pursue it.
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I never figured he should have. Ford did what he thought was right at the time & Carter respected that. There have been a lot of controversial Presidential pardons in our history. Trump will likely give out some doozies. He already has with Stone & Flynn. The only way they might not hold up is if bribery is proven somewhere down the road. I figure Trump will pardon himself to create a window of opportunity to escape US jurisdiction. It won't hold up but it will take some time to sort it out.
 
Jhhnn said:
I never figured he should have. Ford did what he thought was right at the time & Carter respected that. There have been a lot of controversial Presidential pardons in our history. Trump will likely give out some doozies. He already has with Stone & Flynn. The only way they might not hold up is if bribery is proven somewhere down the road. I figure Trump will pardon himself to create a window of opportunity to escape US jurisdiction. It won't hold up but it will take some time to sort it out.
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Like I said in another thread, he hasn't taken money from or drastically pissed off rich folks. He will be absolutely fine and won't serve a single day in prison as sad as it sounds.

Some people here still like to live in blissful denial though.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Like I said in another thread, he hasn't taken money from or drastically pissed off rich folks. He will be absolutely fine and won't serve a single day in prison as sad as it sounds.

Some people here still like to live in blissful denial though.
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Some people think Trump still has a chance of being sworn in on January 20. If we're talking odds, I'd absolutely put my money on "Trump goes to jail" versus "Trump will be sworn in on January 20"
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Like I said in another thread, he hasn't taken money from or drastically pissed off rich folks. He will be absolutely fine and won't serve a single day in prison as sad as it sounds.

Some people here still like to live in blissful denial though.
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Time will tell. In his place, I wouldn't stick around to find out. Individual_1 has to know that the SDNY will be on him like stink on shit immediately following the inauguration.
 
And here I thought back then when Biden had enough votes in all the right places, the votes were tallied up and the process revealed in very convincing fashion that Biden would be our 46th my concerns would be over.

Just goes to show what a thorough job Trump and the GOP did at messing with the heads of their constituency that they'd commit insurrection on the one hand and on the other with the exception of a few realists among them, have the rest of their party sit back, admire what was going on and said not much of nothing as to the atrocities their fellow party members were committing, the majority of whom are convinced to this day that somehow Trump was cheated, that the vote was rigged with zero evidence and numerous rejected court filings to show for it.

What a marvelous masterful psych job Trump and his lackeys did on their followers of whom were more than willing to fall for it all.
 
Man oh man has Trump opened up the flood gates to anything goes...
Just imagine the crap that a president Joe Biden can now get away with? I don't want Fox News or any republican in congress to dare accuse a president Joe Biden as "going too far". Come-on Joe, put Hillary Clinton in there as AG, and Bill Clinton in there as your White House press secretary. Wouldn't Tucker and Hannity just LOVE IT to see Bill Clinton up there, every day, as Joe Biden's press secretary? Like I said.... anything goes now that Donald Trump has opened the flood gates. And so democrats, president Joe Biden, take pissing off the republicans to a new level. Drive em absolutely insane.
 
He can sell unlimited pardons then resign to have Pence pardon him for selling them, along with everything else.
 
My estimation of Trump would go up considerably if he pockets the bribe money and spends today and tomorrow morning playing golf, getting in one last grift on the way out the door.
 
Lol! ... It's being reported that a limo is parked out front of the jail Joe Exotic is being held....

My speculation at this point is that Trump has issued a self-pardon and a group of pardons to his family and close advisors. But he has ordered the Justice Department not to release the information. In a couple of days, the Justice Department will no longer be answering to Trump and there will be a belated public statement that the pardons were issued.

It's my understanding (but correct me if I'm wrong) Constitutionally speaking, he doesn’t need to inform the Justice Department about the pardons. All he needs is a reliable witness to the pardons (say, a sympathetic notary public) who can confirm their authenticity and time of issuance, if/when they are revealed to the public.

A “secret pardon” is exactly the kind of thing Trump would do. So he just keeps this in his pocket until/if he’s charged with any federal crimes, and then he goes on television and dramatically pulls it out for the cameras and says he knew that the corrupt Biden Administration would pursue a political prosecution of himself and his children, so he beat them at their own game! It’s everything Trump loves – good television, exploiting loopholes, and considering himself the WINNNER! It’d turn any trial into even more of a circus and delay any final justice for years as the validity of the pardon is litigated. At this point I’d be surprised if he doesn’t do this.
 
"Several Republican lawmakers who are alleged to have been involved in the rally that preceded the deadly riot on the US Capitol have sought clemency from Trump before he leaves office, but after meeting with his legal advisers for several hours on Saturday, the President decided he would not grant them, according to two people familiar with his plans."

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Trump talked out of pardoning kids and Republican lawmakers

President Donald Trump received an unsettling warning on his final Saturday night in the White House.
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