Holder's Ballot Given to Young Man

[kage69]

Rick Perry's "emergency" voter ID law passed in 2010, the forms of ID accepted do not include a college or other student ID, but do include a military ID or concealed handgun permit:

http://www.texasobserver.org/component/k2/item/17879-voter-id-signed-into-law

Next step: only proof of registration as a republican will be accepted as proper voter ID.

For those supporting these laws, quit lying about the motives behind them. We know that you know what the true purpose is. Don't embarrass yourselves by continuing to lie about it.

- wolf

Too late for that...

 

[Bowfinger]

I think monovile is just trolling you guys. He's being tarded on purpose. ...

Apparently. I know he's not that dumb. Partisan, yes, by his own admission, but not that blatantly "tarded".

 

[Bowfinger]

Why not both? It'd be easy, quick and anyone who the initiative to find their way to a polling place surely has the initiative to find a local place to get a free photo ID. The argument that some people "can't" is utter BS.

I've already addressed this in this thread. I'm not going to repeat it just so you can launch another of your tortuous duhversions.

 

[Pens1566]

Wasn't this kind of willful ignorance subject to the "new rules"???

 

[monovillage]

Lol I'm left wing extreme??? Fuck you're completely delusional.

I'm sorry, are you a Democrat at least? You might have just been caught up in a sweep of the usual suspects.

 

[monovillage]

Wasn't this kind of willful ignorance subject to the "new rules"???

How can it be ignorance where I can show criminal convictions of vote fraud that would have been prevented by having to show valid ID when you register and when you vote? I have shown the proof that a small security step would prevent vote fraud. I'm the honest and verifiably correct one here.

 

[Pens1566]

How can it be ignorance where I can show criminal convictions of vote fraud that would have been prevented by having to show valid ID when you register and when you vote? I have shown the proof that a small security step would prevent vote fraud. I'm the honest and verifiably correct one here.

You did? With exapmles that weren't from absentee ballots?

 

[Jhhnn]

Here's a case that it would have made a difference.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57371606/ind-election-chief-found-guilty-of-voter-fraud/

http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp

Notice how I show both Republican and Democrat criminals? I'm honest that way.

*edit* Now First, my wife says that calling people "tards" is not nice.

Desperately reaching, I see. The Indiana guy had every right to vote, just not in the precinct where he registered & claimed to live. Voter ID wouldn't have done anything for that. Nor would it have changed anything in any of the other cases that I can see. Well, unless you'd care to enumerate the specific cases and explain to us all just how seriously they warped or threatened the integrity of elections. Millions of votes, and dozens of documented cases of fraud, likely damned few of which would have been deterred by picture ID requirements.

It's looking more like Iraqi WMD's every time you post...

 

[monovillage]

You did? With exapmles that weren't from absentee ballots?

This one right here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57371606/ind-election-chief-found-guilty-of-voter-fraud/
If he had to show his ID when he registered, it would have stopped his voter fraud in it's tracks. Proof! Indisputable proof of my claims.
To think there are some rabid liberal Democrats that are still trying to deny that showing ID when you register and vote would save unknown numbers of innocent young votes.

 

[monovillage]

Desperately reaching, I see. The Indiana guy had every right to vote, just not in the precinct where he registered & claimed to live. Voter ID wouldn't have done anything for that. Nor would it have changed anything in any of the other cases that I can see. Well, unless you'd care to enumerate the specific cases and explain to us all just how seriously they warped or threatened the integrity of elections. Millions of votes, and dozens of documented cases of fraud, likely damned few of which would have been deterred by picture ID requirements.

It's looking more like Iraqi WMD's every time you post...

You are just jealous of this most excellent website showing examples of voting fraud, many of which would have been prevented by sensible voter ID requirements.

http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp

 

[Moonbeam]

CADsortaGUY: Why not both?

M: OK

It'd be easy, quick and anyone who the initiative to find their way to a polling place surely has the initiative to find a local place to get a free photo ID.

M: That is an excellent point. I will agree if you can prove it.

C: The argument that some people "can't" is utter BS.

M: Another excellent point. Now prove it.

And if you can't prove them, good as they are, we will have to chalk them up as utter bull shit. Go go go!

 

[Jhhnn]

This one right here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57371606/ind-election-chief-found-guilty-of-voter-fraud/
If he had to show his ID when he registered, it would have stopped his voter fraud in it's tracks. Proof! Indisputable proof of my claims.
To think there are some rabid liberal Democrats that are still trying to deny that showing ID when you register and vote would save unknown numbers of innocent young votes.

One! OMFG! One! It's the end of the Republic! And worth disenfranchising tens or hundreds of thousands more just to stop the next idiot who tries the same thing!

And not true, anyway. It was his valid address at one time, and there's no cross checking done when you renew your license, anyway.

"Same address?"

"Yup."

End of story. He had ID in his wallet- the fact that he didn't need to show it to vote is meaningless.

 

[Moonbeam]

You are just jealous of this most excellent website showing examples of voting fraud, many of which would have been prevented by sensible voter ID requirements.

http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp

When are you going to join the real world. Voter fraud exists, Both Republican's and Democrats do it to some degree. But Voter ID isn't about voter fraud, it's about disadvantaging the already disadvantaged. It's about suppressing the Democratic vote. You would have to be fucking brain dead not to see that Voter ID is a Republican issue and only for that reason. Do you fucking think Republicans would be pushing Voter ID if fewer Republicans than Democrats would show up as a result. Nobody can be so stupid as not to see this. There is something stupider that imbecilic going on here though and it is simply denial of bigotry. Conservatives use phony morality to fuck people because they can't stand to see the truth about themselves. Scum, just like I said before.

 

[monovillage]

One! OMFG! One! It's the end of the Republic! And worth disenfranchising tens or hundreds of thousands more just to stop the next idiot who tries the same thing!

And not true, anyway. It was his valid address at one time, and there's no cross checking done when you renew your license, anyway.

"Same address?"

"Yup."

End of story. He had ID in his wallet- the fact that he didn't need to show it to vote is meaningless.

There are dozens of examples in the other site i listed. Do you have any proof that the simple showing of a valid ID would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters? Proof means the same fucking proof you demanded of me, not some made up figures by a left wing think tank.

 

[umbrella39]

Republicans can't even run their own primaries properly so they are the last ones that should be bitching about voter fraud. Far more fraud is comitted by misshandling of ballots then dead people voting.

This 10000% They know it but like to pretend their are droves of illegals and tree hugging hippies out casting votes for democrats as dead voters. They can't face the fact that when left to their druthers, America en mass rejects the republican agenda. They can't face the reality in knowing that if every voting age person in this country actually voted, they would have folded 40 years ago...

 

[monovillage]

When are you going to join the real world. Voter fraud exists, Both Republican's and Democrats do it to some degree. But Voter ID isn't about voter fraud, it's about disadvantaging the already disadvantaged. It's about suppressing the Democratic vote. You would have to be fucking brain dead not to see that Voter ID is a Republican issue and only for that reason. Do you fucking think Republicans would be pushing Voter ID if fewer Republicans than Democrats would show up as a result. Nobody can be so stupid as not to see this. There is something stupider that imbecilic going on here though and it is simply denial of bigotry. Conservatives use phony morality to fuck people because they can't stand to see the truth about themselves. Scum, just like I said before.

I'm hurt Moonie, i'm only asking for voter ID because I care. It's not my fault that I care more than you do and for that reason i'm a better person then you are.

Liberals use phony morality to fuck people because they can't stand to see the truth about themselves. Scum, just like I said before. We see things the same moonie, with just a very small difference.

 

[Jhhnn]

There are dozens of examples in the other site i listed. Do you have any proof that the simple showing of a valid ID would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters? Proof means the same fucking proof you demanded of me, not some made up figures by a left wing think tank.

You contend there's a problem, and that voter ID is the solution. You need to prove that a significant problem, relative to the millions of votes cast, actually exists for us to believe that it's worth whatever disenfranchisement that may occur is justified. You have not done so, and your characterization of a "Lefty thinktank" shows your desperate state of denial. What you offer as proof is just minimal confirmation for those who already believe in the first place.

You come across like this obvious panderer & denialist-

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ral-still-insists-there-could-be-dead-voters/

 

[monovillage]

You contend there's a problem, and that voter ID is the solution. You need to prove that a significant problem, relative to the millions of votes cast, actually exists for us to believe that it's worth whatever disenfranchisement that may occur is justified. You have not done so, and your characterization of a "Lefty thinktank" shows your desperate state of denial. What you offer as proof is just minimal confirmation for those who already believe in the first place.

You come across like this obvious panderer & denialist-

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ral-still-insists-there-could-be-dead-voters/

So you and others change your story from I need to show proof (which I did beyond question) to now becomes proof of a "significant problem" ? Screw that.

I showed proof that showing voter ID would have solved a voter fraud problem and that it should be instituted and Attorney General Holder needs to stop screwing around with laws in the states that pass reasonable voter ID laws.

 

[monovillage]

You contend there's a problem, and that voter ID is the solution. You need to prove that a significant problem, relative to the millions of votes cast, actually exists for us to believe that it's worth whatever disenfranchisement that may occur is justified. You have not done so, and your characterization of a "Lefty thinktank" shows your desperate state of denial. What you offer as proof is just minimal confirmation for those who already believe in the first place.

You come across like this obvious panderer & denialist-

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ral-still-insists-there-could-be-dead-voters/

From your own link.

After Wilson made the dead-voters charge in January, the State Election Commission investigated the matter, but was unable to find any evidence of voter fraud, much less zombie voters. Indeed, in 95 percent of the cases, investigators found a much simpler explanation for the discrepancies: human error. Some cases involved mistakes by poll watchers — such as marking down that Jim Abott voted instead of Jim Abbott, or simply stray marks that seemed to indicate an individual had voted when he hadn’t — while others were individuals who voted early and then died before Election Day.

ThinkProgress spoke with Wilson about the matter last week outside Congress. We asked for his reaction to the State Election Commission’s finding no evidence of voter fraud nor dead voters, despite his insistence to Fox News that “We know for a fact that there are deceased people whose identities are being used in elections in South Carolina.” Wilson remained largely unchastened, refusing to concede that the idea of dead voters in South Carolina is a farce. “It’s premature at this time” to say there are no dead voters, Wilson declared. “It’s my hope there are no deceased voters, but I do hope the General Assembly takes up the issue.”

KEYES: So when the election commission says that 95 percent of the cases are simply human error [...]

WILSON: It’s my hope there are no deceased voters, but I do hope the General Assembly takes up the issue and updates these archaic rules. .....

I guess 5% of fraudulent voters doesn't reach the significant problem for you. Gee golly Bubba Jhnnn it's only 5% of the vote! Who cares as long as a Democrat gets elected?

 

[Jhhnn]

So you and others change your story from I need to show proof (which I did beyond question) to now becomes proof of a "significant problem" ? Screw that.

I showed proof that showing voter ID would have solved a voter fraud problem and that it should be instituted and Attorney General Holder needs to stop screwing around with laws in the states that pass reasonable voter ID laws.

From your own link.



I guess 5% of fraudulent voters doesn't reach the significant problem for you. Gee golly Bubba Jhnnn it's only 5% of the vote! Who cares as long as a Democrat gets elected?

Absolutely desperate denial. Of course your "proof" needs to show a statistically significant number of instances for anybody other than the faithful to buy into it. You haven't done that, not by any reasonable measure. You fail, which was destined from the start.

And, uhh, it's not 5% of the vote, but 5% of the alleged "dead voters", & the investigation isn't over. The other 95% have already been shown to be falsehoods. I suppose you'll claim it'll be worth the risk of disenfranchisement if only one case of "voter fraud" is ever prevented, right?

Maybe Repubs need to modify their pitch & their position to appeal to more voters, rather than trying to narrow the electorate to the groups most likely to be suckered by them, huh? Probably not, not so long as there's sufficient support for their dishonest methods.

 

[fskimospy]

Voter fraud is voter fraud, I also support higher security for absentee voting. I find it funny that some of the most biased leftwing extreme Democrats in these forums, Jhhnn, Eskimospy, Bowfinger, First, momentofsanity etc. are all so viciously opposed to reasonable security such as showing a picture ID when you vote. It's such a small security measure and you all are practically foaming at the mouths against it.

If we save just one young vote it will all be worth it.

I love it.

'By showing voter fraud cases that voter ID laws wouldn't prevent, I will use them to argue for voter ID laws'.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[monovillage]

I love it.

'By showing voter fraud cases that voter ID laws wouldn't prevent, I will use them to argue for voter ID laws'.

You can't make this stuff up.

I showed a link to a number of cases that voter ID laws would prevent. You just don't like admitting that as long as the fraud helps the Democrat Party you're perfectly fine with it continuing with no attempt to prevent it.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I would be more accepting of South Carolina's Voter ID law had the Haley administration not cut staffing by 19% at the DMV offices where the newly disenfranchised voters are required to obtain the IDs necessary to restore their franchise.

Does anyone know if there similar hurdles erected in the other new Voter ID states?

 

[Jhhnn]

I showed a link to a number of cases that voter ID laws would prevent. You just don't like admitting that as long as the fraud helps the Democrat Party you're perfectly fine with it continuing with no attempt to prevent it.

Sigh. Now you're just trolling. Your list is like Joe McCarthy waving a piece of paper, claiming there were over 200 communists in the State Dept. That's not evidence, but rather obfuscation & grandstanding. When called on it, you cite a single case from the batch, one that wouldn't have been prevented by voter ID, at all, then grossly misrepresent the facts wrt the allegation of dead people voting in S Carolina.

The crowning glory of it all is that you claim voter fraud helps Dems, when your link doesn't show that to be true at all. You merely allege that it does. Poking thru the list, I didn't find a single case of voter impersonation at the polls, which is what proponents of voter ID claim they want to prevent, and what the Breitbart video attempts to sensationalize.

If anything, your list shows that the current system works, and that election fraud in general is exceedingly rare.

But, of course, it doesn't matter how many people are disenfranchised if we can "save one young vote", whatever that non sequiter of sloganeering is supposed to mean.

 

[Jhhnn]

I would be more accepting of South Carolina's Voter ID law had the Haley administration not cut staffing by 19% at the DMV offices where the newly disenfranchised voters are required to obtain the IDs necessary to restore their franchise.

Does anyone know if there similar hurdles erected in the other new Voter ID states?

Why? S Carolina has a cultural history of nearly 150 years of minority voter suppression, discrimination & outright racism. What makes you think this is any different? Wishful thinking?