'Hobbit' director del Toro quits

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have you seen 'the orphanage' or 'the devil's backbone"? have you even seen "pan's labyrinth"?

the guy's brilliant.

p.s. i've never seen hellboy or hellboy ii, but i'm sure they're pretty sweet.

Cronos and The Orphanage are generally well-received by critics and casual viewers alike.

His filmography isn't as extensive as I thought (I suppose I was mixing him up with someone like Cuaron), but maybe you're not one for foreign films? Or something that is outside of your normal comfort zone?

Guys, I don't think he had all that much to do with The Orphanage. Its not listed on his IMBD filmography (well it is, but considering the movie has been out for years, not sure what that's for). I believe that's one of his friends that did that movie.
 
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zinfamous

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fixed.

but it looks like his was a production credit. I think the director was a noob, at the time, iirc.

I remember the flick being reviewed and marketed heavily under the attachment to Del Toro, his reputation somewhat well-established at that point.

but there is definitely an argument that his directorial credits really are a bit thin...moreso than most of us seem to realize. :hmm:
 

meltdown75

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Are you confused here? I'm not crying about anything. No one made me watch it. I watched it by free choice. I also freely choose to detest nearly everything about it.
dude how can you even type through the gushing tears? how can you see? props.
 

zinfamous

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The one was a direct result of the other. Because of how she was treated in the one, is why the other appealed to her. I could only assume you somehow got lost in the story, but I'm still baffled that you don't see the connection between the two (its the girl).

no, I got lost in the sense that there wasn't one story--each were rather powerful on their own, and could have done well as individual films. SO I was too busy wanting to follow one or the other, and would get annoyed when we leave one solid narrative for another solid narrative, and back and forth.

The fantasy characters that the girl encountered didn't have direct real-life comparisons--it would be one thing to argue that the terrifying baby eating monster was her version of The General, but that's a stretch. It's quite another to say that the two films are connected through the girl--it's a weak and cliche'd connection, at that.


The other major problem that I have is that we are left with a deranged and terrifying baby-eating monster that has escaped and remains at-large! D:
 

cKGunslinger

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Obviously I have struck a nerve with the lovers of sacred cows. Go fuck your cow.

What's that? SphinxnihpS taking a contrary stance on a popular opinion? I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Quick, now tell us that The Shawshank Redemption was poorly acted and void of emotion, Jar-Jar Binks was a pivotal, yet under-used character in the Star Wars Universe, and Sean Connery was the Worst. Bond. Ever!
 

mizzou

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that's too bad. He has great visuals in all of his movies. Truly a jim henson of our time
 

Arkaign

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What's that? SphinxnihpS taking a contrary stance on a popular opinion? I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Quick, now tell us that The Shawshank Redemption was poorly acted and void of emotion, Jar-Jar Binks was a pivotal, yet under-used character in the Star Wars Universe, and Sean Connery was the Worst. Bond. Ever!

lol, also, Steaks suck, beer sucks, having money sucks, life sucks, all women are ugly, etc are some more of his wonderful opinions. I think the only thing he likes might be sphincters.
 

ProfJohn

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Can't say I'm surprised since we have no idea how long it will take until these things actually get made. I would think the logical next step would just be to throw PJ in as director, but maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. Hopefully they retain some of the development work Del Toro has already done on it because I was very interested to see his style brought to the Hobbit story.

KT
Wow... thanks for the vote of confidence, but I am not sure I want to spend 3 years in New Zealand either :)
 

SphinxnihpS

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What's that? SphinxnihpS taking a contrary stance on a popular opinion? I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Quick, now tell us that The Shawshank Redemption was poorly acted and void of emotion, Jar-Jar Binks was a pivotal, yet under-used character in the Star Wars Universe, and Sean Connery was the Worst. Bond. Ever!

I thought Shawshank was finely acted. I don't think it's the best prison movie or the best movie in the world, as some do, but I don't disparage it. Star Wars can go fuck itself along with your cow; it's fucking awful. There's a good Bond? Fight Club is a credit to your wit.

I don't state contrary opinions simply to be contrary, however I don't get along well with the lowest common denominator so when little cliquish orgies mount up to masturbate to each other's opinions I like to throw some cold water on them.

You are correct however in that my opinion tends to be contrary. What's the point of posting agreement very often? Reinforcing someone's ego? Do people need that from complete strangers on the internet? I think if they do they are sad.

This is a place for information exchange. I am the good taste department. I will let you know if the movie, book, or CD you like is really any good, or if the idea that lead you to believe so has it's roots in psychosis.

As for the Hobbit, et al... well those really are sacred cows in book form. The Hobbit is a wonderful narrative with a playful and musical voice. However, this poetic artistry is something gravely lacking in the Lord of the Rings. Despite the paucity of artful language, the Lord of the Rings makes up for it somewhat in the scope of its plot, by fleshing out an entire magical world with it's own history. The characters and their conflicts are compelling despite the narrative voice. However, in this way, the Lord of the Rings are akin to page turners, so it will never have the same stature as something built on wordplay, and therefore I could never assign them the label, "Good", but it is definitely one of the better Gothic trilogies I have come across.

I can't say the same for the film versions. Despite being cast and acted almost flawlessly, the gutting of the plot, the vapid insertion of a non-existent love story, the brutal swings in tempo from tediously slow to let's get it over with already, some grueling dialog, especially the "witty" parts, and some painful special effects, make my overall reaction to the films one of contempt. The Lord of the Rings films will always be for me a study in what could have been. Due to the books being legendary (especially in childhood), that's disappointing.
 
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KeithTalent

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Wow... thanks for the vote of confidence, but I am not sure I want to spend 3 years in New Zealand either :)

You're crazy, it's beautiful down there by all accounts! :awe:

KT
 

SphinxnihpS

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lol, also, Steaks suck, beer sucks, having money sucks, life sucks, all women are ugly, etc are some more of his wonderful opinions. I think the only thing he likes might be sphincters.

Point me to ANY of these blanket statements. You are either mistaking me for someone else or deluded. Or perhaps you are crossing my lack of enthusiasm for the average with hating everything.

Steak is awesome! Steak that is any less than awesome is dog food.
Bad beer sucks, and most of it is bad. Good beer is something like heaven.
I dare you to find me one sentence where I even hint at wealth sucking or even being apologetic about it. The only thing that sucks about money is taxes.
Life sucks, for you maybe?
I think you'll find my taste in women far broader than the average poster here who's taste seems to include only vacuous clown-faced rail-thin jail chum.

Mainly I think you are just generalizing; SphinxnihpS a "troll", this is what a troll does. Obviously you haven't read a single word I have ever written.
 

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Surprised to hear about MGM's condition.

Seems entirely understandable that del Toro would back out given the delay's already experienced and the somewhat doubtful future of the film under MGM.

The guy's got too much available to him, too much he wants to do to hang in limbo like this.

I think it's a big loss for the Hobbit movie and would have been very interested to see what del Toro brought to the movie.

Fern