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Ho hum, November was the warmest on record

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momeNt said:
Chances are the path is already set. So the best course is to make the best of what you have and enjoy it as long as possible.

Thinking it can change may lead to a lack of preparedness for when things actually do get worse.

False sense of hope was never something I think humanity can be accused of though right?
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I'm sure your grandchildren will thank you for that mentality. Surely your generation will be remembered as "Well, they sure lived!"
 
cbrunny said:
I'm sure your grandchildren will thank you for that mentality. Surely your generation will be remembered as "Well, they sure lived!"
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There may be no one to remember our generation, i guess we'll just have to argue about it in the afterlife though about who lived more or better, since we won't be able to watch our grandchildren to occupy our time.
 
cbrunny said:
What hyperbole? :whiste:


All I was saying is that I'd rather have some extra dough in my pocket than be part of a shift that ensures the long term health and sustainability of our planet. :awe:
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Earth is a big fucking rock, it doesn't have health. Long after every living species on earth is dead, the earth will continue to exist in "good health". The only thing endangering the earth's "health" is a massive asteroid strike or the sun destroying it when it goes nova. Arguments like the one you made above are just plain silly and truly beneath the level of discourse we have come to expect at P&N.
 
bshole said:
Earth is a big fucking rock, it doesn't have health. Long after every living species on earth is dead, the earth will continue to exist in "good health". The only thing endangering the earth's "health" is a massive asteroid strike or the sun destroying it when it goes nova. Arguments like the one you made above are just plain silly and truly beneath the level of discourse we have come to expect at P&N.
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If you could stop being anal for a second.... We are not Rocks.
 
December's is likely to set a new record, for being the largest deviation from normal and for being the hottest December. Many areas in the U.S. are uncharacteristically warm. Last weekend in the Buffalo NY area, people were golfing. A year ago, there was 7 feet of snow on the ground in that same area. Yes, that's just a localized area - but there doesn't seem to be any areas where it's uncharacteristically cooler to offset the areas where it's uncharacteristically warmer. Much of this is due to the El Nino.

A lot of people are welcoming the exceptionally warm temperatures in the Northeast, but to some degree, it's creating ecological chaos.
 
December's is likely to set a new record, for being the largest deviation from normal and for being the hottest December. Many areas in the U.S. are uncharacteristically warm. Last weekend in the Buffalo NY area, people were golfing. A year ago, there was 7 feet of snow on the ground in that same area. Yes, that's just a localized area - but there doesn't seem to be any areas where it's uncharacteristically cooler to offset the areas where it's uncharacteristically warmer. Much of this is due to the El Nino.

A lot of people are welcoming the exceptionally warm temperatures in the Northeast, but to some degree, it's creating ecological chaos.

Of course, after the announcement that December was the warmest ever, DSF and Jaskalas will point to some satellite that's measuring the temperature of ice water and proclaim, "it didn't get warmer at all!"
 
DrPizza said:
Of course, after the announcement that December was the warmest ever, DSF and Jaskalas will point to some satellite that's measuring the temperature of ice water and proclaim, "it didn't get warmer at all!"
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You have zero clue as to what you're talking about. Just saying because you don't appear to realize this.
 
cbrunny said:
What hyperbole? :whiste:


All I was saying is that I'd rather have some extra dough in my pocket than be part of a shift that ensures the long term health and sustainability of our planet. :awe:
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"Some extra dough" doesn't begin to cover it.
 
Why is it that the proposed solution to AGW always involves centralized authority exerting complete control over all industrial and most non-industrial economic activity?

Come up with something that doesn't involve sacrificing economic liberty.
 
Captain Picard said:
Why is it that the proposed solution to AGW always involves centralized authority exerting complete control over all industrial and most non-industrial economic activity?

Come up with something that doesn't involve sacrificing economic liberty.
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Save the world... CONVENIENTLY! OR don't save it at all!!
 
cbrunny said:
Save the world... CONVENIENTLY! OR don't save it at all!!
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If people truly understand the problem and were really serious about "saving the world", they would be screaming at the top of their lungs for the immediate conversion from coal to nuclear as our predominant energy source for the time being. But that would be mighty "inconvenient" for those who value their (unrealistic) ideology more than the planet.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
If people truly understand the problem and were really serious about "saving the world", they would be screaming at the top of their lungs for the immediate conversion from coal to nuclear as our predominant energy source for the time being. But that would be mighty "inconvenient" for those who value their (unrealistic) ideology more than the planet.
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Ontario doesn't burn coal for electricity. Our last coal plant stopped operation a few years ago. One of the few things the Ontario Liberal Party hasn't totally screwed up.
 
Uhuh its those very economic systems that are one of the core problems but you know don't change that!
Its no different than national debt as long as you keep dillusional theres a problem by printing money the longer you can put off the inevitable collapse.
People are so unwilling to suffer any type of pain they would rather end up dead or dying.
Its why I've always said in these climate debates I wholly beleive it and absolutely believe we will do nothing to change it because no governing body keeps their population happy by offering less
 
cbrunny said:
Ontario doesn't burn coal for electricity. Our last coal plant stopped operation a few years ago. One of the few things the Ontario Liberal Party hasn't totally screwed up.
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Ontario likes nuclear. :thumbsup:

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Paratus said:
Oh but the stratosphere is cooling according to satellite observation.
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You'd like to tell us satellites are observing a different layer of atmosphere, and that alone tells the difference. But that would belie the data behind the pause. It is not a sufficient explanation because Surface and Sat lined up rather nicely until the pause.

While the Surface station continues to be adjusted upward ad infinitum on top of corrupt data. Our explanation for the difference is that RSS and UAH are the correct temp of global record. That the pause is real and backed up by NCEP model data.

You speak of a possible 0.02C change in ocean temp, but the deep ocean data is both historically sparse and not particularly deterministic of our environment. A small rise there will not melt the poles or disturb crop production. The deep oceans will not harm us the way the surface change would.
 
Considering that deep sea warming is how life first left the oceans and began to fare on land, if that were to happen again.... what is going to come out of the water this time? Something stronger than humans? Smarter?
 
DrPizza said:
December's is likely to set a new record, for being the largest deviation from normal and for being the hottest December. Many areas in the U.S. are uncharacteristically warm. Last weekend in the Buffalo NY area, people were golfing. A year ago, there was 7 feet of snow on the ground in that same area. Yes, that's just a localized area - but there doesn't seem to be any areas where it's uncharacteristically cooler to offset the areas where it's uncharacteristically warmer. Much of this is due to the El Nino.

A lot of people are welcoming the exceptionally warm temperatures in the Northeast, but to some degree, it's creating ecological chaos.
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This year it's the east coast. Last year it was the west coast (and this year we're cold and wet). Next year it will be somewhere else.

For some reason when people point to cold weather as evidence of no global warming they are mocked for confusing weather and climate. Shouldn't that go both ways?
 
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