hmm...doesn't appear to be a natural change at all

[NeoV]

Can't wait to hear all of the

'it's the sun'

'man is arrogant to think he can impact the climate'

'doesn't matter'

bs replies


this story/graph - while not proof in and of itself, seems to refute many of the anti GW folks

interesting read

LINKY

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'm not in favor of humans dramatically increasing the amount of greenhouse gases in the environment, mind you, but telling people that it's averting another ice age is hardly an effective argument if you want them to stop driving their humvees.

 

[Evadman]

I don't know about you, but it was freaking cold this summer in the Midwest. where's my global warming? I went out side and sprayed a bunch of hair spray hoping to raise the temp, but it didn't do anything besides make my grass sticky

 

[Jaskalas]

Arctic temperatures (seen in blue, above) have cooled over the past 2,000 years due to a natural tilt in Earth's axis. But human-caused global warming reversed that trend in the mid-1990s (seen in red).

You're suggesting that a mere 15 year timeframe puts an impact of earth?s climate into focus? You think 15 years proves anything? Look a little deeper than your shallow 15 year objectivity.

Little Ice Age
In the North Atlantic, sediments accumulated since the end of the last ice age, nearly 12,000 years ago, show regular increases in the amount of coarse sediment grains deposited from icebergs melting in the now open ocean, indicating a series of 1-2°C (2-4°F) cooling events recurring every 1,500 years or so (Bond et al., 1997). The most recent of these cooling events was the Little Ice Age. These same cooling events are detected in sediments accumulating off Africa, but the cooling events appear to be larger, ranging between 3-8°C (6-14°F).[39]

Your chart varies by 1-2°C and that matches the natural variability in temperature seen throughout the past 12,000 years let alone further into history. Outside religious dogma, a period of 15 years WITHIN natural bounds proves nothing.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Evadman
I don't know about you, but it was freaking cold this summer in the Midwest. where's my global warming? I went out side and sprayed a bunch of hair spray hoping to raise the temp, but it didn't do anything besides make my grass sticky

A fine post on how Democracy is a very flawed system for managing issues like global climate change. Ignorance, weak use of humor to replace any good sense. Well done.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Evadman
I don't know about you, but it was freaking cold this summer in the Midwest. where's my global warming? I went out side and sprayed a bunch of hair spray hoping to raise the temp, but it didn't do anything besides make my grass sticky

A fine post on how Democracy is a very flawed system for managing issues like global climate change. Ignorance, weak use of humor to replace any good sense. Well done.

By all means Craig, make a topic on how we should get rid of the power of the people. Anything to ensure the MMGW cultists get their way.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Can't wait to hear all of the

'it's the sun'

'man is arrogant to think he can impact the climate'

'doesn't matter'

bs replies


this story/graph - while not proof in and of itself, seems to refute many of the anti GW folks

interesting read

LINKY

Quit talking about it and start doing something about it.

What are you doing to achieve your goals regarding "climate change" (formally known as "global warming")?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Can't wait to hear all of the

'it's the sun'

'man is arrogant to think he can impact the climate'

'doesn't matter'

bs replies


this story/graph - while not proof in and of itself, seems to refute many of the anti GW folks

interesting read

LINKY

It boils down to people that want to destroy the planet for personal gain Vs those that give a shit.

 

[MikeMike]

ill be dead by the time it does anything, im on this earth once, and i will live it how i want to.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

I don't believe many have ever argued that man doesn't or can't impact the climate at all -- the actual debate has always revolved around the degree to which man has contributed to the changes; and, of course, the subsequent amount of money we should throw at trying to prevent what many people believe is inevitable or "mostly natural."

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
I don't believe many have ever said that man doesn't or can't impact the climate -- the actual debate has always revolved around the degree to which man has had on changes; and, of course, the subsequent amount of money we should throw at trying to prevent such change.

Many haven't, most Deniers have. The debates on P&N are mostly between the Deniers and Accepters(just made that up). The rest of your post lies in the Scientific and Economic Debates surrounding the issue, which get brought up here from time to time, but are usually not the main Debate happening on this Forum.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
ill be dead by the time it does anything, im on this earth once, and i will live it how i want to.

And this is why we have doomed ourselves.

 

[novasatori]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
ill be dead by the time it does anything, im on this earth once, and i will live it how i want to.

And this is why we have doomed ourselves.

its not like it would be the worst thing to happen to the earth - I think that would be humans - besides imagine all the creatures that will thrive without us

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: novasatori

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
ill be dead by the time it does anything, im on this earth once, and i will live it how i want to.

And this is why we have doomed ourselves.

its not like it would be the worst thing to happen to the earth - I think that would be humans - besides imagine all the creatures that will thrive without us

true yes but cut away all the retarded self centered fucks and just look at good art, music, film and science and we are really amazing. It would be a shame to lose that.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Arctic temperatures (seen in blue, above) have cooled over the past 2,000 years due to a natural tilt in Earth's axis. But human-caused global warming reversed that trend in the mid-1990s (seen in red).

You're suggesting that a mere 15 year timeframe puts an impact of earth?s climate into focus? You think 15 years proves anything? Look a little deeper than your shallow 15 year objectivity.

Little Ice Age
In the North Atlantic, sediments accumulated since the end of the last ice age, nearly 12,000 years ago, show regular increases in the amount of coarse sediment grains deposited from icebergs melting in the now open ocean, indicating a series of 1-2°C (2-4°F) cooling events recurring every 1,500 years or so (Bond et al., 1997). The most recent of these cooling events was the Little Ice Age. These same cooling events are detected in sediments accumulating off Africa, but the cooling events appear to be larger, ranging between 3-8°C (6-14°F).[39]

Your chart varies by 1-2°C and that matches the natural variability in temperature seen throughout the past 12,000 years let alone further into history. Outside religious dogma, a period of 15 years WITHIN natural bounds proves nothing.

FYI The ice age 12,000 years ago was not a natural event, it was caused by an Asteroid event. A sky burst that rained down fire across the North American Continent driving the large land animals to extinction(including Clovus Man-European descended aboriginals). The dust and smoke led to that little ice age and creation of the Asian land bridge.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Arctic temperatures (seen in blue, above) have cooled over the past 2,000 years due to a natural tilt in Earth's axis. But human-caused global warming reversed that trend in the mid-1990s (seen in red).

You're suggesting that a mere 15 year timeframe puts an impact of earth?s climate into focus? You think 15 years proves anything? Look a little deeper than your shallow 15 year objectivity.

Little Ice Age
In the North Atlantic, sediments accumulated since the end of the last ice age, nearly 12,000 years ago, show regular increases in the amount of coarse sediment grains deposited from icebergs melting in the now open ocean, indicating a series of 1-2°C (2-4°F) cooling events recurring every 1,500 years or so (Bond et al., 1997). The most recent of these cooling events was the Little Ice Age. These same cooling events are detected in sediments accumulating off Africa, but the cooling events appear to be larger, ranging between 3-8°C (6-14°F).[39]

Your chart varies by 1-2°C and that matches the natural variability in temperature seen throughout the past 12,000 years let alone further into history. Outside religious dogma, a period of 15 years WITHIN natural bounds proves nothing.

You are incredibly brilliant. Obviously, the scientists who performed this analysis didn't realize that it's been only 15 years. And none of the peer-review scientists were aware of that either.

So these results can just be discarded, because - obviously - the scientists didn't take the short time period into account. They're just really stupid. Same goes for ANY study that concludes that mankind's activity over the last 20, 40, 80, or even 100 years could have a major effect on climate. Even 100 years is far too short a time period compared to the age of the Earth. So, obviously, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine that human activity over such a short geologic time period could be the cause for signficant climate change.

Thus, we can ignore every study that concludes otherwise.

I'm convinced!!!

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Evadman
I don't know about you, but it was freaking cold this summer in the Midwest. where's my global warming? I went out side and sprayed a bunch of hair spray hoping to raise the temp, but it didn't do anything besides make my grass sticky

Which makes it a bear to toke on.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Evadman
I don't know about you, but it was freaking cold this summer in the Midwest. where's my global warming? I went out side and sprayed a bunch of hair spray hoping to raise the temp, but it didn't do anything besides make my grass sticky

Your backyard in the Midwest != the global climate just in case you were wondering...

 

[Tequila]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Evadman
I don't know about you, but it was freaking cold this summer in the Midwest. where's my global warming? I went out side and sprayed a bunch of hair spray hoping to raise the temp, but it didn't do anything besides make my grass sticky

A fine post on how Democracy is a very flawed system for managing issues like global climate change. Ignorance, weak use of humor to replace any good sense. Well done.

Lol. Yes, a communist country like China is much better at managing these issues. Oh wait, they recently surpassed the US in total carbon emessions.

I guess socialist Europe would be better then? Oops they are #3 on the list.

Just to piss you off I'd like to jump in say this has been the mildest summer I've ever experienced in the Bay Area. Hell, most of June was cloudy, overcast and cool. August felt more like May. So far September has been a bit warm and muggy but nothing harsh.

 

[Cattlegod]

uhh, that chart only goes back 2000 years. how about the rest of the 10000 years since the last ice age????

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Tequila

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Evadman
I don't know about you, but it was freaking cold this summer in the Midwest. where's my global warming? I went out side and sprayed a bunch of hair spray hoping to raise the temp, but it didn't do anything besides make my grass sticky

A fine post on how Democracy is a very flawed system for managing issues like global climate change. Ignorance, weak use of humor to replace any good sense. Well done.

Lol. Yes, a communist country like China is much better at managing these issues. Oh wait, they recently surpassed the US in total carbon emessions.

I guess socialist Europe would be better then? Oops they are #3 on the list.

Just to piss you off I'd like to jump in say this has been the mildest summer I've ever experienced in the Bay Area. Hell, most of June was cloudy, overcast and cool. August felt more like May. So far September has been a bit warm and muggy but nothing harsh.

Get with the program TQ, global warming is out of fashion. Today it's called climate change for a reason. Hot or cold they'll always be right.

 

[JSt0rm]

why do people assume that 1 cool summer means there isn't global warming?

 

[Tequila]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
why do people assume that 1 cool summer means there isn't global warming?

Let's go back to the 70s when everyone was talking about Global Cooling. Back in 75-76 I experienced two of the most brutal summers on record in Michigan. We had nearly 3 weeks of 100+ temperatures in 76. My family still remembers those awful summers to this day. I never experienced anything like that since then during my time growing up there. I bet the Global Cooling freaks would have said to me "why do people assume that 2 hot summers means there isn't global cooling?"

Climate patterns change unpredictably no matter if we humans are here or not. Yes, we should all do our part to recycle, waste less and use less energy. I do my part as best as possible. I just get so sick and tired of people blaming Global Warming on everything and make it sound like the world is going to end tomorrow.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Tequila

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
why do people assume that 1 cool summer means there isn't global warming?

Let's go back to the 70s when everyone was talking about Global Cooling. Back in 75-76 I experienced two of the most brutal summers on record in Michigan. We had nearly 3 weeks of 100+ temperatures in 76. My family still remembers those awful summers to this day. I never experienced anything like that since then during my time growing up there. I bet the Global Cooling freaks would have said to me "why do people assume that 2 hot summers means there isn't global cooling?"

Climate patterns change unpredictably no matter if we humans are here or not. Yes, we should all do our part to recycle, waste less and use less energy. I do my part as best as possible. I just get so sick and tired of people blaming Global Warming on everything and make it sound like the world is going to end tomorrow.

Climate patterns do go through a natural cycle. And a camp fire on a cold night will keep you comfortable unless some fool throws a gallon of gas in it and burns off your face. That's what we are discussing here fools making the fire go "BOOM". Cold we humans can survive and thrive, hot damn near drove our ancestors to extinction.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: Tequila

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
why do people assume that 1 cool summer means there isn't global warming?

Let's go back to the 70s when everyone was talking about Global Cooling. Back in 75-76 I experienced two of the most brutal summers on record in Michigan. We had nearly 3 weeks of 100+ temperatures in 76. My family still remembers those awful summers to this day. I never experienced anything like that since then during my time growing up there. I bet the Global Cooling freaks would have said to me "why do people assume that 2 hot summers means there isn't global cooling?"

Climate patterns change unpredictably no matter if we humans are here or not. Yes, we should all do our part to recycle, waste less and use less energy. I do my part as best as possible. I just get so sick and tired of people blaming Global Warming on everything and make it sound like the world is going to end tomorrow.

Climate patterns do go through a natural cycle. And a camp fire on a cold night will keep you comfortable unless some fool throws a gallon of gas in it and burns off your face. That's what we are discussing here fools making the fire go "BOOM". Cold we humans can survive and thrive, hot damn near drove our ancestors to extinction.

Cold has produced wars over scare resources. The black plague also spread through Europe due to the little ice age bringing cold wet conditions to the continent. When the little ice age came the viking settlements in greenland were wiped out.

How will we survive an ice age when a large portion of the earth that contains a lot of of the most fertile land is covered in ice or too cold to grow food crops?

The earth thrives in warmer conditions. Humans thrive with warmer conditions.