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djheater

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The majority of people who transmit HIV and AIDS are homosexual black males, or so I have been told.

Am I really seeing you accuse black gays of being the 'cause' of Aids, or ami drunk?

You must be drunk. No "Abort Black Babies to prevent HIV/AIDs" here.
I'm saying that Black Homosexual Males make up the majority of those who transmit HIV/AIDS.

Come now, the implication of your original post taken in context is, "BLACK gays propagate aids"... straights are going to see that as divisive, clearly.

I don't think you meant any harm by it... and I'm probably just fvcked up from an intense day in the health care community... but damn, that's how it came off...

The question that comes to mind is: "Do you consider Black Gays a seperate and distinct subgroup of gay culture".
 

silverpig

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
Originally posted by: mdchesne
Originally posted by: DVad3r

I guess you don't know people at all, and there are skeletons in peoples closets that you would least expect them from. I think I am going to get HIV tested, I find the fact very disturbing that HIV people are allowed to join public gyms. I know I've shared machines and weights with him and doing heavy bench press could cause the bar to dig into your hands, whether or not I could catch HIV from that I don't know.

What a day...after something like that, I am definetely for a law that states HIV people should have their own gyms and not be allowed in public ones.

Wow. Someone is ignorant.

1. you can't get HIV from sweat
2. you can't deny access to a person if it's a public facility
3. you can't condemn them regardless of whether they have HIV or not
4. you may want to get some pamphlets from a school sex ed course

so someone with an infectious skin disease should be allowed to lay down on the same bench as you and me? fvck that...id rather have them deny people access, me included, if it was going to put others in danger. go workout at home if you are going to fvck with other peoples health.

Ever had a cold? The flu?

Wanna come to my neighbourhood? Well you're gonna have to sit in a quarantine house for 3 days while the results of your STD tests come in and become public knowledge. Oh, and we want a list of everyone you've slept with too.
 

DVad3r

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And wtf does black have to do with anything, this guy was only black in color, but personality wise he was more "white" then me.
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: mdchesne
Originally posted by: DVad3r

I guess you don't know people at all, and there are skeletons in peoples closets that you would least expect them from. I think I am going to get HIV tested, I find the fact very disturbing that HIV people are allowed to join public gyms. I know I've shared machines and weights with him and doing heavy bench press could cause the bar to dig into your hands, whether or not I could catch HIV from that I don't know.

What a day...after something like that, I am definetely for a law that states HIV people should have their own gyms and not be allowed in public ones.

Wow. Someone is ignorant.

1. you can't get HIV from sweat
2. you can't deny access to a person if it's a public facility
3. you can't condemn them regardless of whether they have HIV or not
4. you may want to get some pamphlets from a school sex ed course

Actually I did take a Sex Ed course in school, blood is #1 for the virus, #2 is semen/vaginal fluids #3 is saliva (very low chances) and #4 is sweat glands (even lower chances, but has been proven to exist). It's not really ignorance if there is a chance of getting infected.

I would talk to the people that run that Sex Ed course, because there are only trace amounts of HIV in saliva/tears, and no sign of the disease found in sweat.
 

miri

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Originally posted by: DVad3r
And wtf does black have to do with anything, this guy was only black in color, but personality wise he was more "white" then me.

The people he had sex with should have taken precautions. It is a statistical fact that gay black men have the highest rate of HIV infection in this country.
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The majority of people who transmit HIV and AIDS are homosexual black males, or so I have been told.

Am I really seeing you accuse black gays of being the 'cause' of Aids, or ami drunk?

You must be drunk. No "Abort Black Babies to prevent HIV/AIDs" here.
I'm saying that Black Homosexual Males make up the majority of those who transmit HIV/AIDS.

Come now, the implication of your original post taken in context is, "BLACK gays propagate aids"... straights are going to see that as divisive, clearly.

I don't think you meant any harm by it... and I'm probably just fvcked up from an intense day in the health care community... but damn, that's how it came off...

The question that comes to mind is: "Do you consider Black Gays a seperate and distinct subgroup of gay culture".

I don't care what "straights" see.
Black Homosexual Males in a good portion of cases are on the "down low" and are a major transmitter of the HIV/AIDS virus.
If you are a homosexual male having promiscuous sex with other males and have not been tested for HIV/AIDS or other VD, you should be shot.
Same thing with breeders.
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Also, your question is akin to asking "should we take all people with diseases out of society?"

Should we lock people with HIV or AIDS into quarantine cells for the rest of their life? How about the Flu? Or Herpes? Mono?
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: miri
There was some research done in major cities about gays and HIV. According to the research nearly 50% of all gay black men in large cities have HIV. Gay men should know that risk of HIV is extremely high with other gay men and should avoid it or take precautions.

*Where* did you get that data from? Link?
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Same thing with breeders.

Can I ask what's up with the breeders thing lately?

You seem to be using it in a negative manner.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The majority of people who transmit HIV and AIDS are homosexual black males, or so I have been told.

Am I really seeing you accuse black gays of being the 'cause' of Aids, or ami drunk?

You must be drunk. No "Abort Black Babies to prevent HIV/AIDs" here.
I'm saying that Black Homosexual Males make up the majority of those who transmit HIV/AIDS.

Come now, the implication of your original post taken in context is, "BLACK gays propagate aids"... straights are going to see that as divisive, clearly.

I don't think you meant any harm by it... and I'm probably just fvcked up from an intense day in the health care community... but damn, that's how it came off...

The question that comes to mind is: "Do you consider Black Gays a seperate and distinct subgroup of gay culture".

I don't care what "straights" see.
Black Homosexual Males in a good portion of cases are on the "down low" and are a major transmitter of the HIV/AIDS virus.
If you are a homosexual male having promiscuous sex with other males and have not been tested for HIV/AIDS or other VD, you should be shot.
Same thing with breeders.

Screw past tense.... make that "are not regularly being tested for HIV and other STDs..."
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: miri
There was some research done in major cities about gays and HIV. According to the research nearly 50% of all gay black men in large cities have HIV. Gay men should know that risk of HIV is extremely high with other gay men and should avoid it or take precautions.

*Where* did you get that data from? Link?

http://www.washblade.com/2005/9-23/news/national/hiv.cfm

Posted June 12 on the Black AIDS Institute?s Web site, the letter portrayed the disease as ?genocide,? noting the CDC calculated 46 percent of black men who have sex with men were HIV-positive. The data was obtained from Baltimore, Los Angeles, Miami, New York City and San Francisco.
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Same thing with breeders.

Can I ask what's up with the breeders thing lately?

You seem to be using it in a negative manner.

You are the first person ever to comment on me saying that I can recall.
And basically that's why I have been saying that. Waiting for someone to call me on that.
I didn't mean it negatively so much as to see who would comment on my decision to say breeder instead of heterosexuals or straights.
 

djheater

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The majority of people who transmit HIV and AIDS are homosexual black males, or so I have been told.

Am I really seeing you accuse black gays of being the 'cause' of Aids, or ami drunk?

You must be drunk. No "Abort Black Babies to prevent HIV/AIDs" here.
I'm saying that Black Homosexual Males make up the majority of those who transmit HIV/AIDS.

Come now, the implication of your original post taken in context is, "BLACK gays propagate aids"... straights are going to see that as divisive, clearly.

I don't think you meant any harm by it... and I'm probably just fvcked up from an intense day in the health care community... but damn, that's how it came off...

The question that comes to mind is: "Do you consider Black Gays a seperate and distinct subgroup of gay culture".

I don't care what "straights" see.
Black Homosexual Males in a good portion of cases are on the "down low" and are a major transmitter of the HIV/AIDS virus.
If you are a homosexual male having promiscuous sex with other males and have not been tested for HIV/AIDS or other VD, you should be shot.
Same thing with breeders.


Agreed.

At this point I'd like to offer terms, and am willing to accept decorating advice in exchange for changing your brakes.
 

DVad3r

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Also, your question is akin to asking "should we take all people with diseases out of society?"

Should we lock people with HIV or AIDS into quarantine cells for the rest of their life? How about the Flu? Or Herpes? Mono?

The flu is not life threatening, nor are most STD's. Your categorizing a serious virus that at the momemt can be somewhat controlled and prolong your life, but inevidently cause death. No one said to quarantine anyone into a cell, but a physically shared space like a gym perhaps should be sectioned. I work with a lot of HIV clients in my field, but there are certain precautions me and my fellow staff follow, and I'm alright with that, it's a controlled envioroment, a gym isent.
 

miri

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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: miri
There was some research done in major cities about gays and HIV. According to the research nearly 50% of all gay black men in large cities have HIV. Gay men should know that risk of HIV is extremely high with other gay men and should avoid it or take precautions.

*Where* did you get that data from? Link?

http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_431/blackgaymenathiv.html

Data for 2004-2005 CDC?s National Behavioral Surveillance System reported shocking rates of HIV infection among black men who have sex with men?a category that includes a wide-array of self-identifications, usually dubbed MSM?that rival those seen in many African nations.


In five cities where MSMs were targeted for HIV testing?Atlanta, Los Angeles, Miami, New York and San Francisco?46 percent of black gay men were HIV-positive, compared to 21 percent of white gay men. The study also founded high rates of undiagnosed HIV infection, with 67 percent of black gay men unaware of their status, compared to just 18 percent of white gay men.





 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: miri
There was some research done in major cities about gays and HIV. According to the research nearly 50% of all gay black men in large cities have HIV. Gay men should know that risk of HIV is extremely high with other gay men and should avoid it or take precautions.

*Where* did you get that data from? Link?

http://www.washblade.com/2005/9-23/news/national/hiv.cfm

Posted June 12 on the Black AIDS Institute?s Web site, the letter portrayed the disease as ?genocide,? noting the CDC calculated 46 percent of black men who have sex with men were HIV-positive. The data was obtained from Baltimore, Los Angeles, Miami, New York City and San Francisco.

Thanks. :) I didn't realize that it was actually that high.

But I guess that's just another line item to add to the list of reasons not to be promiscuous... lol
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The majority of people who transmit HIV and AIDS are homosexual black males, or so I have been told.

Am I really seeing you accuse black gays of being the 'cause' of Aids, or ami drunk?

You must be drunk. No "Abort Black Babies to prevent HIV/AIDs" here.
I'm saying that Black Homosexual Males make up the majority of those who transmit HIV/AIDS.

Come now, the implication of your original post taken in context is, "BLACK gays propagate aids"... straights are going to see that as divisive, clearly.

I don't think you meant any harm by it... and I'm probably just fvcked up from an intense day in the health care community... but damn, that's how it came off...

The question that comes to mind is: "Do you consider Black Gays a seperate and distinct subgroup of gay culture".

I don't care what "straights" see.
Black Homosexual Males in a good portion of cases are on the "down low" and are a major transmitter of the HIV/AIDS virus.
If you are a homosexual male having promiscuous sex with other males and have not been tested for HIV/AIDS or other VD, you should be shot.
Same thing with breeders.


Agreed.

At this point I'd like to offer terms, and am willing to accept decorating advice in exchange for changing your brakes.

I can change my own brakes and well as do everything for my car. Out of all 5 cars I have had, I have never taken one to a mechanic. I do it all myself. And I do it fabulously.
 

miri

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You would be pretty stupid to be a gay man and have unprotected sex.
 

djheater

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The majority of people who transmit HIV and AIDS are homosexual black males, or so I have been told.

Am I really seeing you accuse black gays of being the 'cause' of Aids, or ami drunk?

You must be drunk. No "Abort Black Babies to prevent HIV/AIDs" here.
I'm saying that Black Homosexual Males make up the majority of those who transmit HIV/AIDS.

Come now, the implication of your original post taken in context is, "BLACK gays propagate aids"... straights are going to see that as divisive, clearly.

I don't think you meant any harm by it... and I'm probably just fvcked up from an intense day in the health care community... but damn, that's how it came off...

The question that comes to mind is: "Do you consider Black Gays a seperate and distinct subgroup of gay culture".

I don't care what "straights" see.
Black Homosexual Males in a good portion of cases are on the "down low" and are a major transmitter of the HIV/AIDS virus.
If you are a homosexual male having promiscuous sex with other males and have not been tested for HIV/AIDS or other VD, you should be shot.
Same thing with breeders.


Agreed.

At this point I'd like to offer terms, and am willing to accept decorating advice in exchange for changing your brakes.

I can change my own brakes and well as do everything for my car. Out of all 5 cars I have had, I have never taken one to a mechanic. I do it all myself. And I do it fabulously.

/raises white flag
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
The majority of people who transmit HIV and AIDS are homosexual black males, or so I have been told.

Am I really seeing you accuse black gays of being the 'cause' of Aids, or ami drunk?

You must be drunk. No "Abort Black Babies to prevent HIV/AIDs" here.
I'm saying that Black Homosexual Males make up the majority of those who transmit HIV/AIDS.

Come now, the implication of your original post taken in context is, "BLACK gays propagate aids"... straights are going to see that as divisive, clearly.

I don't think you meant any harm by it... and I'm probably just fvcked up from an intense day in the health care community... but damn, that's how it came off...

The question that comes to mind is: "Do you consider Black Gays a seperate and distinct subgroup of gay culture".

I don't care what "straights" see.
Black Homosexual Males in a good portion of cases are on the "down low" and are a major transmitter of the HIV/AIDS virus.
If you are a homosexual male having promiscuous sex with other males and have not been tested for HIV/AIDS or other VD, you should be shot.
Same thing with breeders.


Agreed.

At this point I'd like to offer terms, and am willing to accept decorating advice in exchange for changing your brakes.

I can change my own brakes and well as do everything for my car. Out of all 5 cars I have had, I have never taken one to a mechanic. I do it all myself. And I do it fabulously.

Psst, know any good mechanics? The only thing I know how to do to my car (besides clean it) is change the oil, and I don't even do that. :eek:
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: BigJ
Also, your question is akin to asking "should we take all people with diseases out of society?"

Should we lock people with HIV or AIDS into quarantine cells for the rest of their life? How about the Flu? Or Herpes? Mono?

The flu is not life threatening, nor are most STD's. Your categorizing a serious virus that at the momemt can be somewhat controlled and prolong your life, but inevidently cause death. No one said to quarantine anyone into a cell, but a physically shared space like a gym perhaps should be sectioned. I work with a lot of HIV clients in my field, but there are certain precautions me and my fellow staff follow, and I'm alright with that, it's a controlled envioroment, a gym isent.

In this day and age, many people who contract the disease can lead long and healthy lives. It becomes a lifestyle change as opposed to taking over their lives.

You're trying to discriminate against HIV/AIDS infected individuals based on the belief that you can transfer the disease through sweat which is false; scientists have been unable to identify either HIV or AIDS in sweat.

So essentially, they'd have to share some other sort of body fluids, and in which case the possibility of it happening is the same as in a restaurant or a coffee shop.
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: miri
You would be pretty stupid to be a gay man and have unprotected sex.

That's rather broad. Are you indicating that if I am with the same partner for a long time, and we trust each other to not be cheating on each other, and we both are tested occasionally, that we should still never have unprotected sex?
 

dawnbug

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Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: mdchesne
Originally posted by: DVad3r

I guess you don't know people at all, and there are skeletons in peoples closets that you would least expect them from. I think I am going to get HIV tested, I find the fact very disturbing that HIV people are allowed to join public gyms. I know I've shared machines and weights with him and doing heavy bench press could cause the bar to dig into your hands, whether or not I could catch HIV from that I don't know.

What a day...after something like that, I am definetely for a law that states HIV people should have their own gyms and not be allowed in public ones.

Wow. Someone is ignorant.

1. you can't get HIV from sweat
2. you can't deny access to a person if it's a public facility
3. you can't condemn them regardless of whether they have HIV or not
4. you may want to get some pamphlets from a school sex ed course

Actually I did take a Sex Ed course in school, blood is #1 for the virus, #2 is semen/vaginal fluids #3 is saliva (very low chances) and #4 is sweat glands (even lower chances, but has been proven to exist). It's not really ignorance if there is a chance of getting infected.
From the CDC's website...


How HIV is Transmitted

HIV is spread by sexual contact with an infected person, by sharing needles and/or syringes (primarily for drug injection) with someone who is infected, or, less commonly (and now very rarely in countries where blood is screened for HIV antibodies), through transfusions of infected blood or blood clotting factors. Babies born to HIV-infected women may become infected before or during birth or through breast-feeding after birth.

In the health care setting, workers have been infected with HIV after being stuck with needles containing HIV-infected blood or, less frequently, after infected blood gets into a worker?s open cut or a mucous membrane (for example, the eyes or inside of the nose). There has been only one instance of patients being infected by a health care worker in the United States; this involved HIV transmission from one infected dentist to six patients. Investigations have been completed involving more than 22,000 patients of 63 HIV-infected physicians, surgeons, and dentists, and no other cases of this type of transmission have been identified in the United States.

Some people fear that HIV might be transmitted in other ways; however, no scientific evidence to support any of these fears has been found. If HIV were being transmitted through other routes (such as through air, water, or insects), the pattern of reported AIDS cases would be much different from what has been observed. For example, if mosquitoes could transmit HIV infection, many more young children and preadolescents would have been diagnosed with AIDS.

All reported cases suggesting new or potentially unknown routes of transmission are thoroughly investigated by state and local health departments with the assistance, guidance, and laboratory support from CDC. No additional routes of transmission have been recorded, despite a national sentinel system designed to detect just such an occurrence.


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/transmission.htm


Unless he was cut and bleeding on one of the machines and you used it while you have an open wound or you were having sex or sharing needles with him, I think you're safe.