Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show

[MJinZ]

So what is your point? Autism and sociopathy are totally different things...

- wolf

Which is why I think they should just change "sociopath" to "psychopath" and call real anti-social disorders like Autism sociopaths.

 

[zephyrprime]

Which is why I think they should just change "sociopath" to "psychopath" and call real anti-social disorders like Autism sociopaths.

Except that simply not what medical dictionaries say. You can make up your own words if you want but don't expect other people to use them. In the clinical world, anti-social specifically means people who have malevolent social tendencies and does not mean people who are socially incompetent like autistic people.

 

[Lemon law]

So in the one thread that a Loonbeam self-hate rant would be appropriate, he is nowhere to be found?

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That strikes me as a rather odd comment. Even with Moonbeam, a poster has not chosen to post in this thread yet. But trying to infer a reason is something only a fool would assert. Maybe Moonbeam is off saving the world somewhere else today or what ever. I have no idea and the to post or not post question is Moonbeam's and Moonbeam's alone.

But trying to stuff various anandtech posters back into their crackerjack box every time they say something stupid is more than a 24/7/365.25 full time job, and throwing pearls at swine thankless as well.

Moonbeam has more than does his bit in MHO. Its why he has elite after his name.

 

[Orignal Earl]

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That strikes me as a rather odd comment. Even with Moonbeam, a poster has not chosen to post in this thread yet.

Poor Moonie has posted twice in this thread. Don't worry Moon, I still see ya

 

[JSt0rm]

I think we all have African dna

 

[OCGuy]

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That strikes me as a rather odd comment. Even with Moonbeam, a poster has not chosen to post in this thread yet. But trying to infer a reason is something only a fool would assert. Maybe Moonbeam is off saving the world somewhere else today or what ever. I have no idea and the to post or not post question is Moonbeam's and Moonbeam's alone.

But trying to stuff various anandtech posters back into their crackerjack box every time they say something stupid is more than a 24/7/365.25 full time job, and throwing pearls at swine thankless as well.

Moonbeam has more than does his bit in MHO. Its why he has elite after his name.

Was that your best impression?

 

[Lemon law]

Poor Moonie has posted twice in this thread. Don't worry Moon, I still see ya

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You are right Earl and my bad, I checked all posts after the OCGuy one and no Moonbeam. So I missed his two on page one. Well, time to slink off and eat some worms.

 

[Orignal Earl]

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You are right Earl and my bad, I checked all posts after the OCGuy one and no Moonbeam. So I missed his two on page one. Well, time to slink off and eat some worms.

Yours was the third post mentioning no Moonbeen, I can understand your mistake. The others I think I understand too, very short attention spans mixed with short term memory.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Errr, Ashkenazi Jews are Mediterranean. It literally means German Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

Again, people with "Ashkenazi" genetic markers are all over Europe. The people were originally nomadic as they had to flee their original lands in the Middle east. The markers that set apart Ashkenazi Jews in Europe though are common markers in the middle east. Bleh, it's genetic traits brought out by a region.

I think the classification name they are using for that particular set of genetic markers is pretty dumb though.

The fact is all humans share the same 95% of genetics unlike any other species on this planet. We all share a very narrow common heritage that most scientists speculate was due caused by a super volcano that killed off other human types around the globe and the current homo-sapiens are what survived. Anyhow, I'm digressing a bit.

Does it really matter that Hitler had some shared genetic markers from humans commonly from the ME and Africa? Considering how many people in this world do as well without even knowing it? So many people have so many recessive genes that get passed to them from so many generations back that they wouldn't even know they had those traits. Does that make Hitler hypocritical? No. However, it still doesn't mean he was any less insane.

If i am not wrong , Ashkenazi Jews are more from central to east Europe.
Sephardi Jews are from south Europe and farther down, the Mediterranean.

 

[Lemon law]

Maybe William Gaatges maybe misses some of the point by saying, "If i am not wrong , Ashkenazi Jews are more from central to east Europe.Sephardi Jews are from south Europe and farther down, the Mediterranean.

Well the whole damn point is, some 1800+ years ago, the all Powerful Roman empire said upon the Jews, then almost one hundred per cent concentrated in Israel, don't go away mad, just go away or else. Some went Northeast and hooked all over, some went east and hooked back Southwest, none went directly west because that would landed then in the water, but point being the Jews dispersed widely in an event called the second diaspora.

Why should there be two or more types of genetic Jews now when they were genetically homogeneous 1800 years ago?

Or is it behavioral distinction now? Because Jews who wound up in Northwestern Europe tended to believe in democratic principles and Jews descended from Yemeni parents had no such democratic principles in their upbringing?

And modern day Israel is no different, and for what its worth, there are not enough
Ashkenadi Jews in Israel to counterbalance the Israeli crazies. The Russian Jews and other Shepardi Jews who support the settler parties and somehow manage to have a bare majority in Israel politics.

IMHO, there would be reason for hope for a just mideast peace if Jews with democratic traditions managed to get control, but sadly the Israeli trend line is just the opposite now.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Which is why I think they should just change "sociopath" to "psychopath" and call real anti-social disorders like Autism sociopaths.

That is just fucking daft, autistic people have an overcompensation for pain in others, not a lack of it.

Are you perchance reteraded in your stupid skull?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Hitlers mum was of Jewish descent, he was a Jew to the point where every Jew have to admit he was a Jew, to a point where he'd be an Israeli citizen by heritage alone today.

I thought it was common knowledge that his mum was a Jew, apparently not.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

If i am not wrong , Ashkenazi Jews are more from central to east Europe.
Sephardi Jews are from south Europe and farther down, the Mediterranean.

Actually, Ashkenazi Jews are mostly semitic in origin and their (or our) heritage is from pretty much exactly where Israel is today.

Sephardic Jews have a basis of the same origin, the difference is where our two groups of the same semitic origin started to procreate with others...

Does that clear anything up? Yeah, i do get my own heritage but then again you can trace my relatives in a straight line from both my fathers and mothers side.

Other Jews hate me though, so perhapse i'm not jewy enough... lol.

 

[Lemon law]

Please JOS, don't take my post wrong, but I note you said, "Actually, Ashkenazi Jews are mostly semitic in origin and their (or our) heritage is from pretty much exactly where Israel is today.

Sephardic Jews have a basis of the same origin, the difference is where our two groups of the same semitic origin started to procreate with others...

Does that clear anything up? Yeah, i do get my own heritage but then again you can trace my relatives in a straight line from both my fathers and mothers side."

Well JOS we all know you are British, and of all the gin joint countries Jews wound up in after the second diaspora, why should not GB have their share of Jews? And truth be told, and despite the fact that my country, the USA won our independence from you Brits 200+ years ago, much of that democratic intellectual underpinning of the American Revolution originated in England and France.

But still, JOS, as a possibly British Jew, I would really be incredibly impressed if you could trace your ancestry all the way back to the second diaspora.

But that begs another question JOS, are you the person you now are because you are a Jew, or because of the fact you are just another member of politically divided GB?

And is it a dime better than me being a member of politically divided America?

Or to maybe put it another way, should we be proud of who our ancestors were, ashamed of them, or just be content that they are part of who we were and not any part of who we should be?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Please JOS, don't take my post wrong, but I note you said, "Actually, Ashkenazi Jews are mostly semitic in origin and their (or our) heritage is from pretty much exactly where Israel is today.

Sephardic Jews have a basis of the same origin, the difference is where our two groups of the same semitic origin started to procreate with others...

Does that clear anything up? Yeah, i do get my own heritage but then again you can trace my relatives in a straight line from both my fathers and mothers side."

Well JOS we all know you are British, and of all the gin joint countries Jews wound up in after the second diaspora, why should not GB have their share of Jews? And truth be told, and despite the fact that my country, the USA won our independence from you Brits 200+ years ago, much of that democratic intellectual underpinning of the American Revolution originated in England and France.

But still, JOS, as a possibly British Jew, I would really be incredibly impressed if you could trace your ancestry all the way back to the second diaspora.

But that begs another question JOS, are you the person you now are because you are a Jew, or because of the fact you are just another member of politically divided GB?

Actually, you are right for once, but only because of common human ancestry.

Not everyone knows i'm a Brit, i was corrected on my spelling earlier because you twats forgot how to write in proper English.

I can trace my ancestry back to the 500's that is about as far as any Jewish ancestry can go, not that it matters in the least to me, i didn't do it, my grandfather did before he died.

It really doesn't matter at all to me though, i know i'm Jewish by heritage, born Jewish and an Israeli citisen as well as a Brit, i am not proud to be a Jew, i am not proud to be a Brit either, i am proud to be who i am because that is MY accomplishment and no one elses.

If anyone is proud about where he happened to be born, tell him fuck off from me.

 

[Lemon law]

Well said JOS

 

[piasabird]

Jews are Africans. Isreal is in Africa. More or less. Well Isreal is not really in Africa, but there are a lot of African Jews. Joseph lived in Africa and his decendents, the tribe of Ephraim lived in Isreal and Joseph had Egyptian wives. So if you are of the tribe of Ephraim you might be at least part Egyptian.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Jews are Africans. Isreal is in Africa. More or less. Well Isreal is not really in Africa, but there are a lot of African Jews. Joseph lived in Africa and his decendents, the tribe of Ephraim lived in Isreal and Joseph had Egyptian wives. So if you are of the tribe of Ephraim you might be at least part Egyptian.

Heh... no.

You can't derive truth from fictionary tales, son.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Maybe William Gaatges maybe misses some of the point by saying, "If i am not wrong , Ashkenazi Jews are more from central to east Europe.Sephardi Jews are from south Europe and farther down, the Mediterranean.

Well the whole damn point is, some 1800+ years ago, the all Powerful Roman empire said upon the Jews, then almost one hundred per cent concentrated in Israel, don't go away mad, just go away or else. Some went Northeast and hooked all over, some went east and hooked back Southwest, none went directly west because that would landed then in the water, but point being the Jews dispersed widely in an event called the second diaspora.

Why should there be two or more types of genetic Jews now when they were genetically homogeneous 1800 years ago?

Or is it behavioral distinction now? Because Jews who wound up in Northwestern Europe tended to believe in democratic principles and Jews descended from Yemeni parents had no such democratic principles in their upbringing?

And modern day Israel is no different, and for what its worth, there are not enough
Ashkenadi Jews in Israel to counterbalance the Israeli crazies. The Russian Jews and other Shepardi Jews who support the settler parties and somehow manage to have a bare majority in Israel politics.

IMHO, there would be reason for hope for a just mideast peace if Jews with democratic traditions managed to get control, but sadly the Israeli trend line is just the opposite now.

Well, you forget that there has been mixing with local non jew folks in those 1800+ years and there comes the difference from. Being Jew is being Jew because of religion not because of an extreme different genetic make up compared to non jews.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Heh... no.

You can't derive truth from fictionary tales, son.

He means coptic. Before Egypt became islamitic, egypt was christian and before that sun worshippers.

 

[piasabird]

Egypt was a very large place. Joseph united the upper and lower nile. Call it a fairy tale if you want. Troy use to be considered a fairy tale as well. Kind of like the fairy tale of the crusades and the fairy tale of hitler.

 

[ayabe]

Egypt was a very large place. Joseph united the upper and lower nile. Call it a fairy tale if you want. Troy use to be considered a fairy tale as well. Kind of like the fairy tale of the crusades and the fairy tale of hitler.

Troy as it was described in the Iliad did not exist, there was no horse, the greeks didn't sit on the beach for 7 years, blah, blah, blah, and blah.

Just like with the Bible, there are small nuggets of truth sprinkled in with a lot of embellishment and outright falsehoods.