MJinZ
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Is that why most Jewish people have curly hair, different noses, darker skin?
It's their religion that gives them super powers rite.
Is that why most Jewish people have curly hair, different noses, darker skin?
It's their religion that gives them super powers rite.
MJinZ
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It's probably more accurate to say that most jews fall into certain genetic groups. Ashkenazis and Shephardi are the big groups.
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Considering that Jews of Europe had much in common as gypsies do in old Europe, meaning they were nomadic, those genes got sprinkled around pretty much everywhere in Europe. But just having genes from a people that come from a region does not make you Jewish. But as someone else described, that's just the Mediterranean look.
Are you familiar with Ashkenazi jews? They don't exactly look Mediterranean. I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you doubting the scientist's conclusion that Hitler had jewish genes? Do you think it's impossible to find distinct genetic traits in groups of people?
The DNA tests don't precisely show how far removed these ethnic elements are.
I recommend Ian Kershaw's Hitler bio, which is among the 2-3 most respected of 100+ Hitler bios, for this particular topic. Kershaw delves into the question of whether Hitler had a Jewish grandparent at considerable length, examining all known evidence. He concludes it is possible but unlikely on balance of probabilities.
If Hitler was an eighth or less Jewish it is pretty meaningless as many people are an eighth or less of something and don't even know about it. Almost no one is "pure" anything.
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I recommend Ian Kershaw's Hitler bio, which is among the 2-3 most respected of 100+ Hitler bios, for this particular topic. Kershaw delves into the question of whether Hitler had a Jewish grandparent at considerable length, examining all known evidence. He concludes it is possible but unlikely on balance of probabilities.
If Hitler was an eighth or less Jewish it is pretty meaningless as many people are an eighth or less of something and don't even know about it. Almost no one is "pure" anything.
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Errr, Ashkenazi Jews are Mediterranean. It literally means German Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
Again, people with "Ashkenazi" genetic markers are all over Europe. The people were originally nomadic as they had to flee their original lands in the Middle east. The markers that set apart Ashkenazi Jews in Europe though are common markers in the middle east. Bleh, it's genetic traits brought out by a region.
I think the classification name they are using for that particular set of genetic markers is pretty dumb though.
The fact is all humans share the same 95% of genetics unlike any other species on this planet. We all share a very narrow common heritage that most scientists speculate was due caused by a super volcano that killed off other human types around the globe and the current homo-sapiens are what survived. Anyhow, I'm digressing a bit.
Does it really matter that Hitler had some shared genetic markers from humans commonly from the ME and Africa? Considering how many people in this world do as well without even knowing it? So many people have so many recessive genes that get passed to them from so many generations back that they wouldn't even know they had those traits. Does that make Hitler hypocritical? No. However, it still doesn't mean he was any less insane.
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What is somewhat revealing is that Adolph Hitler still has some 50 genetically close living relatives, none of which are seemingly bat shit crazy mass murders or even mass murder wannabess.
Which tells us right away, genes have little to do with psychotic and anti-social behavior. But at the end of the day, even if Adolph Hitler ended up being a twisted sad and sorry excuse for a human being, he still would not have gone down in history as a mass murder and a truly in human monster if so many other "normal" people refused to follow his lead.
Which tells us right away, genes have little to do with psychotic and anti-social behavior. But at the end of the day, even if Adolph Hitler ended up being a twisted sad and sorry excuse for a human being, he still would not have gone down in history as a mass murder and a truly in human monster if so many other "normal" people refused to follow his lead.
You had talked about the Mediterranean look. Are you claiming Ashkenazis have a Mediterranean look? They really don't.
You're mixing up issues about genetics. Of course we are all very similar and descended from Africa. But scientists are still able to identify genes that only belong to certain groups of people. For example, blue eyes are expressed by specific genes. If you have that gene, you can't deny being descended from a given mutant.
And yes all this does make Hitler a self-loather.
So in the one thread that a Loonbeam self-hate rant would be appropriate, he is nowhere to be found?
People are really displaying a poor understanding of genetics in this thread. There are genetic links to schizophrenia, for example. It doesn't mean they magically pop out like a monster. Genes interact with the environment in complex and specific ways that we are still trying to figure out. Doesn't mean Hitler's genes didn't inform his condition.
There are indeed genetic links for schizophrenia, but Hitler was certainly not schizophrenic. He was "sane" in the clinical sense. He more than likely had what is now typically recognized as Narcisisstic and Anti-Social Personality Disorders. Those disorders, which are really a complex of personality traits, have not been positively linked to genetics as yet. Even if genetics is ultimately found to play some role, the nurture side is almost certainly predominant with these particular traits.
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Well, The personal physician of Hitler pumped him up with all kinds of weird stuff.
I think after Hitler established the NSDAP party in such a way that he was the fuhrer, he lost it. The only one that takes all the decisions. I read somewhere that he was a heavy smoker. That he could not stop. When he rose to power he just gave up smoking just like that, because a "fuhrer" has no weaknesses. Theodor Gilbert Morell was his house doctor. That guy pumped him full with experimental stuff. Hitler received daily injections of methamphetamine at the end.
Methamphetamine, that is crystal meth.
Strychnine, also used as pesticide not hard to figure out the lethality.
Cocaine.
Amfetamine.
bacteria cultures.
All kind of weird pills. More then 25 a day.
Look at any homeless addict doing only some of this stuff and see how he responds and behaves. If Hitler could had gotten psychiatric diseases because of genetic predisposition, all that garbage triggered it for sure.
It seemed that at the end of the war he had all kinds of strange illnesses.
Parkinson, tremors and i would expect mood swings as well...
Morell was called " the reich injectionmaster"
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Hitler was a looney, but i am not surprised. Even a sane person would have fallen apart with that amount of drugs and the stress of carrying all the decisions of an entire country and it's people.
I found this list on wiki :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell
Amphetamines
Belladonna
Atropine
Caffeine
Chamomile
Cocaine (via eye drops)
E. coli
Enzymes
Glyconorm
Methamphetamine
Morphine
Nux Vomica (a form of strychnine)
Oxedrine Tartrate
Potassium bromide
Prophenazone
Proteins and lipids derived from animal tissues and fats
Sodium barbitone
Sulphonamide
Testosterone
Vitamins
I think after Hitler established the NSDAP party in such a way that he was the fuhrer, he lost it. The only one that takes all the decisions. I read somewhere that he was a heavy smoker. That he could not stop. When he rose to power he just gave up smoking just like that, because a "fuhrer" has no weaknesses. Theodor Gilbert Morell was his house doctor. That guy pumped him full with experimental stuff. Hitler received daily injections of methamphetamine at the end.
Methamphetamine, that is crystal meth.
Strychnine, also used as pesticide not hard to figure out the lethality.
Cocaine.
Amfetamine.
bacteria cultures.
All kind of weird pills. More then 25 a day.
Look at any homeless addict doing only some of this stuff and see how he responds and behaves. If Hitler could had gotten psychiatric diseases because of genetic predisposition, all that garbage triggered it for sure.
It seemed that at the end of the war he had all kinds of strange illnesses.
Parkinson, tremors and i would expect mood swings as well...
Morell was called " the reich injectionmaster"
.Hitler was a looney, but i am not surprised. Even a sane person would have fallen apart with that amount of drugs and the stress of carrying all the decisions of an entire country and it's people.
I found this list on wiki :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell
Amphetamines
Belladonna
Atropine
Caffeine
Chamomile
Cocaine (via eye drops)
E. coli
Enzymes
Glyconorm
Methamphetamine
Morphine
Nux Vomica (a form of strychnine)
Oxedrine Tartrate
Potassium bromide
Prophenazone
Proteins and lipids derived from animal tissues and fats
Sodium barbitone
Sulphonamide
Testosterone
Vitamins
MJinZ
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Sociopathic is exactly what I meant by "Anti-Social Personality Disorder" and it is exactly what I'm saying does not appear to have genetic roots. I don't get your reference to autism in this context.
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MJinZ
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"Anti-social" in the context of a personality disorder means lacking empathy for other humans beings, and other related traits. It doesn't mean "anti-social" in the common sense of being cut off from others i.e. introverted or socially under developed, which is what autistics are in the extreme sense. In any event, there is zero connection between anti-social personality disorder and autism. Autistics are not as a rule sociopaths.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
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Obviously this is referring to modern African populations, not Africans that were ancestral to all humans...
MJinZ
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UH......... Autism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism#Characteristics
You'll have to explain what the difference is.
I know most people do not consider Autisitics to be sociopaths but maybe it's time to change up some definitions.
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