history question: did the japanese ever apologize to...

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
We had a thread recently about Korean racism and their own perceived superiority over other races. One wonders how they can feel that way when they got their asses handed to them by the Japanese...

I think they have the attitude because they are the Poland of Asia. Historically they have been pushed over by either the Japanese or the Chinese. It's like those fat chicks who swear they are the hottest girls on earth or the 5'1 guy who drives a monster truck. They are making up for it.

 

[Lifer]

seriously, what would an apology do at this point?

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: FuZioN
why bother? its not gonna change anything... oh im sorry for sending my army to your village and killing everyone... yeah

and most of the people that were in that era are old or dead and buried.

demand an apology is one thing; they denied the fact that they've done it is another. you don't get it, do you?

have you watched something call "hentai"? that will give you an idea how fvcked up their culture is.

 

[nanyangview]

Dr Noobie, if u said what u said in china or korea or any country that has been attacked by Japan, you body will be disembered on the street.

 

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: FuZioN
why bother? its not gonna change anything... oh im sorry for sending my army to your village and killing everyone... yeah

and most of the people that were in that era are old or dead and buried.

demand an apology is one thing; they denied the fact that they've done it is another. you don't get it, do you?

have you watched something call "hentai"? that will give you an idea how fvcked up their culture is.

well....most sushi places are owned by koreans around here who spit a phrase or two in japanese. Isn't the whole corporate structure in korea pretty much based on the japanese model?

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: Lifer
seriously, what would an apology do at this point?

if a drunk driver were to kill your daughter (if you don't have one, imagine) and was sent to prison and never tried to apologize, would you be satisfied? wouldn't it be easier to move on if the man/woman that killed your daughter apologized and tried to make amends over the years?

ohh, but then again, what difference would it make? unlike many of you children who care only about themselves, an apology makes a world of difference to others.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Yeah we just didn't hear them over the screams of terror when we dropped the bombs.

They don't teach reality of the A-Bomb at UT? Shocking... guess you'd rather have Russia invading and killing millions as well as the soldiers and citizens that would have died in Japan. More loss of life would have been better then? Moron.

So dropping the bombs on cities was better than demonstrating the power first as was suggested?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

They still refuse to apologize for locking up women (Dutch, Chinese, Korean, Indonesian, etc) during WW II for their soldiers to rape as they pleased. 'Comfortwomen' they'd call them.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Yeah we just didn't hear them over the screams of terror when we dropped the bombs.

They don't teach reality of the A-Bomb at UT? Shocking... guess you'd rather have Russia invading and killing millions as well as the soldiers and citizens that would have died in Japan. More loss of life would have been better then? Moron.

So dropping the bombs on cities was better than demonstrating the power first as was suggested?

If you'll recall, we dropped a bomb and they didn't surrender until 3 days later, after we had to drop a second one. I'm pretty sure a tech demo without massive loss of life would have done jack squat.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Yeah we just didn't hear them over the screams of terror when we dropped the bombs.

They don't teach reality of the A-Bomb at UT? Shocking... guess you'd rather have Russia invading and killing millions as well as the soldiers and citizens that would have died in Japan. More loss of life would have been better then? Moron.

So dropping the bombs on cities was better than demonstrating the power first as was suggested?

living in the information age as we do, sometimes we forget how tenuous thing called information really is. how do you know what is good info and what is bad?? now a days, we watch war on TV. we see things AS they happen.

even 40 yrs ago, information was not that free. there are ACTUALLY germans and japanese that believe their respective countries ARE NOT guilty of WWII.

a demo would ONLY have been effective with people that WANTED to believe. the japanese at the time wouldn't have believed the demo.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Yeah we just didn't hear them over the screams of terror when we dropped the bombs.

They don't teach reality of the A-Bomb at UT? Shocking... guess you'd rather have Russia invading and killing millions as well as the soldiers and citizens that would have died in Japan. More loss of life would have been better then? Moron.

So dropping the bombs on cities was better than demonstrating the power first as was suggested?

Yes because it demonstrates to the citizens who support the government what the opposition is capable of which they most likely would not have seen or heard about if a small uninhabited island was blown up. If the people of a country lose confidence in their nations ability to succeed its war effort will usually quickly collapse from the inside. Japans military was both dedicated and arrogant and thought the emporer was a god. Even after the two A-bombs they refused to surrender so we would have ended up using them anyway or losing more lives in a conventional war.

 

[dc]

Originally posted by: nanyangview
DrNoobie, you are the biggest moron and retard ever seen. I hope your whole family dies tomorrow or you get run over by a car.


So the german holocaust is justified eh? Since it is part of the war and thus they should exterminate every Jew possible as it is the best course of action for germany?

So Japan murdered civilians, raped uncounted number of woman for their own pleasure is also the best course of action for Japan?

I seriously hope that your mom gets RAPED by 5 MEN Tomorrow and then you come back and tell me that Japan should not apologize.

you sir, are also a moron and a retard. please reconsider seppuku.

 

[dc]

Originally posted by: FuZioN
why bother? its not gonna change anything... oh im sorry for sending my army to your village and killing everyone... yeah

and most of the people that were in that era are old or dead and buried.

"He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it."

more important is the fact they do not teach what happened during that era of their history. almost all japanese are oblivious to the atrocities and crimes committed by their government and fellow countrymen. heck, they still have events honoring many war criminals for their service to the nation.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: FuZioN
why bother? its not gonna change anything... oh im sorry for sending my army to your village and killing everyone... yeah

and most of the people that were in that era are old or dead and buried.

In the case of the 'comfortgirls' they want the emperor and the government to acknowledge that they were wrong in WW II. By their silence they are simply saying that they don't even see those women as humans, that they see themselves as being better.

 

[Dragnov]

more important is the fact they do not teach what happened during that era of their history. almost all japanese are oblivious to the atrocities and crimes committed by their government and fellow countrymen. heck, they still have events honoring many war criminals for their service to the nation.

We honor slave owners and people who pretty much commited genocide on the native population....

And then by themselves.

You need to retake your history lessons there. Korea was a cold war front just like Germany. It was divided by foreign powers, not by civil war.


Anyways, just as some American's don't regret dropping the A-bomb, some people in other countries don't have regrets for past actions. For the most part, every country has implicity apologized, and asking for retribution is absurd. I don't really see people with too much sympathy for the native americans, descendants of slaves, or what not so to each their own. Put aside your bias of being the victim and realize just about every country/people has fallen victim to something.

People realize it was wrong = Get the fsck over it.

 

[dc]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

more important is the fact they do not teach what happened during that era of their history. almost all japanese are oblivious to the atrocities and crimes committed by their government and fellow countrymen. heck, they still have events honoring many war criminals for their service to the nation.

We honor slave owners and people who pretty much commited genocide on the native population....

we do? 😕

People realize it was wrong = Get the fsck over it.

that's the problem, most japanese in japan are not taught and do not know about the stuff done by their country. how can they realize it was wrong if they don't believe it happened?

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: dc

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

more important is the fact they do not teach what happened during that era of their history. almost all japanese are oblivious to the atrocities and crimes committed by their government and fellow countrymen. heck, they still have events honoring many war criminals for their service to the nation.

We honor slave owners and people who pretty much commited genocide on the native population....

we do? 😕

People realize it was wrong = Get the fsck over it.

that's the problem, most japanese in japan are not taught and do not know about the stuff done by their country. how can they realize it was wrong if they don't believe it happened?

Thats the problem most people dont know that autrocities of Japan. What would happen if Germany all of a sudden said the holocaust never happened, and WWII was not their fault--just rewrite history? Thats what Japan did, they never apoligized furthermore they called them self victims from the bombs but deny the reason why they got bombed.

 

[dc]

yep, i've seen some shows and stuff where they portray the united states as some inhuman agressor that was out for civilian blood.

 

[Dragnov]

we do? 😕

You never heard of the names George Washington or Thomas Jefferson?

Let me see, George Washington promoted expansion to the West in violation of the Proclomation (not a surprise seeing as he was land realtor looking to make $$$), and pretty much use military power to eradicate the native population. But hey, he's our first President and freed us from the British. God bless him.

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. Declaration of Independence promting the natural rights and equality for all? Yeah right... BS written to the King trying to rally support from the people.

I can name others if you wish but I think its pretty clear.

that's the problem, most japanese in japan are not taught and do not know about the stuff done by their country. how can they realize it was wrong if they don't believe it happened?

For the most part, I'd say educated Japanese people realize what happened (though admittedly I do not have any proof to back this statement.) The information is out there. I'm sure just as many % of Americans don't really know atrocities we've done either (see - Vietnam) and many still make up excuses for several of our actions to this day (see - atomic bomb). We see certain things as justified, they see certain things as justified.

And just for you Korean sticklers out there... In 1998 President Kim Dae-jung visited Japan and received a written apology by Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi for inflicting suffering on Koreans during the colonial period. Happy? Can you guys move on now please?

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

more important is the fact they do not teach what happened during that era of their history. almost all japanese are oblivious to the atrocities and crimes committed by their government and fellow countrymen. heck, they still have events honoring many war criminals for their service to the nation.

We honor slave owners and people who pretty much commited genocide on the native population....

And then by themselves.

You need to retake your history lessons there. Korea was a cold war front just like Germany. It was divided by foreign powers, not by civil war.


Anyways, just as some American's don't regret dropping the A-bomb, some people in other countries don't have regrets for past actions. For the most part, every country has implicity apologized, and asking for retribution is absurd. I don't really see people with too much sympathy for the native americans, descendants of slaves, or what not so to each their own. Put aside your bias of being the victim and realize just about every country/people has fallen victim to something.

People realize it was wrong = Get the fsck over it.

omg, you don't realize why so many people are mad 😕

the longer japan does not admit the past, then the more it becomes a myth. say after 200 years from now, if we haven't blown ourselves up yet, how many japanese people will know the truth of the past? the japanese people won't believe such things had happened. then next thing you know, most americans won't believe it, and so on.

i'm sure if germany never admitted it's wrong doing or apologized for the atrocities that they committed, many jews to this day would be extremely upset. needless to say, that's how many older chinese and korean folks feel.

their suffering should not be forgotten.

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

we do? 😕

You never heard of the names George Washington or Thomas Jefferson?

Let me see, George Washington promoted expansion to the West in violation of the Proclomation (not a surprise seeing as he was land realtor looking to make $$$), and pretty much use military power to eradicate the native population. But hey, he's our first President and freed us from the British. God bless him.

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. Declaration of Independence promting the natural rights and equality for all? Yeah right... BS written to the King trying to rally support from the people.

I can name others if you wish but I think its pretty clear.

that's the problem, most japanese in japan are not taught and do not know about the stuff done by their country. how can they realize it was wrong if they don't believe it happened?

For the most part, I'd say educated Japanese people realize what happened (though admittedly I do not have any proof to back this statement.) The information is out there. I'm sure just as many % of Americans don't really know atrocities we've done either (see - Vietnam) and many still make up excuses for several of our actions to this day (see - atomic bomb). We see certain things as justified, they see certain things as justified.

And just for you Korean sticklers out there... In 1998 President Kim Dae-jung visited Japan and received a written apology by Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi for inflicting suffering on Koreans during the colonial period. Happy? Can you guys move on now please?

i'm trying to be nice here, but you give me all the more reason to be an ass. japan never admitted or apologized to the comfort woman, nor did they admit any specific details of what they did. sure, most chinese/korean folks don't care anymore, but the ones that were affected still do.

i surely hope you are a "white" lee and not a "chinese" or "korean" lee, to be asian and that ignorant would be sad.

edit: i'm not even sure of this, but is there any mention of comfort woman in any japanese history book? i'm sure most historians, japanese or not, would want to know the exact truths of the past.

 

[Siddhartha]

never mind

 

[Calin]

<sarcasm>
What's the hurry? It's only a couple of years ago that the Pope apologize for the Inquisition
I'm sure the Koreans can wait a couple of centuries
</sarcasm>

I don't know. Probably they should have to - but I doubt they did, or that they will. One or two more generations, and this will remain only in the memory of the books and in the memory of the deads

Calin

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Yeah we just didn't hear them over the screams of terror when we dropped the bombs.

They don't teach reality of the A-Bomb at UT? Shocking... guess you'd rather have Russia invading and killing millions as well as the soldiers and citizens that would have died in Japan. More loss of life would have been better then? Moron.

So dropping the bombs on cities was better than demonstrating the power first as was suggested?

Seeing as it took wiping out two cities to get them to surrender, yes. You do realize that after hitting Nagasaki, we were out of nukes, and wouldnt have enough refined uranium or plutonium to make another for a couple months?

 

[dc]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

we do? 😕

You never heard of the names George Washington or Thomas Jefferson?

Let me see, George Washington promoted expansion to the West in violation of the Proclomation (not a surprise seeing as he was land realtor looking to make $$$), and pretty much use military power to eradicate the native population. But hey, he's our first President and freed us from the British. God bless him.

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. Declaration of Independence promting the natural rights and equality for all? Yeah right... BS written to the King trying to rally support from the people.

I can name others if you wish but I think its pretty clear.

wait wait, you just compared washington and jefferson to japanese war criminals. like the generals and soldiers that allowed/performed the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians thru methods like beheading with a dull blade, bayonet practice on live victims, chemical and medical tests on innocent civilians and families, rape, etc. aka mini hitlers. good job.

and washington promoted expansion to the west because he was a realtor wanting to make money? wtf history book are you reading

that's the problem, most japanese in japan are not taught and do not know about the stuff done by their country. how can they realize it was wrong if they don't believe it happened?

For the most part, I'd say educated Japanese people realize what happened (though admittedly I do not have any proof to back this statement.) The information is out there. I'm sure just as many % of Americans don't really know atrocities we've done either (see - Vietnam) and many still make up excuses for several of our actions to this day (see - atomic bomb). We see certain things as justified, they see certain things as justified.

um, how would the educated know when it isn't taught in schools? and on what are you basing your belief that the educated know about the atrocities of that era? wild guess?
and comparing the dropping of the bombs to the atrocities committed by japan in asia is just plain silly and mind boggling.

imo the dropping of the bombs need no excuse or defending, it was necessary to end the war with less casualties and negative after effects(russia invading)