Siddhartha
Lifer
I know this is off topic. Both the US and Japan need to apologize for what it did in WWII:
The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki : Chapter 10 - Total Casualtiesl
WWII civilian casualities
10,000,000 Chinese were killed!
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I know this is off topic. Both the US and Japan need to apologize for what it did in WWII:
The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki : Chapter 10 - Total Casualtiesl
WWII civilian casualities
10,000,000 Chinese were killed!
Conventional bombing of Japan killed more people than the nuclear bombs. The March 1945 firebombing of Tokyo killed ~100,000 people and injured roughly a million. The May bombing killed roughly 80,000.
And frankly, I dont see why the USA has to apologize. Japan decided they wanted a war with the USA, and it is pretty obvious who initiated it. Excluding a few revisionist historians who presume the war would have ended very quickly without an invasion or atomic bombs, the casualty estimates for both sides, individually, exceeded the casualties at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Japanese were training old men, old women, and children with ages in the single digits how to weild spears made out of bamboo and charge the american forces. Not a good idea when your opponents have BARs, Thompsons, and Garands. Unless you want to see a slaughter. One way or another, large numbers of people were going to die. Truman went with the option that would kill the smallest number of people.
Skyclad1uhm1
Lifer
And that's the problem, those who did it and those who knew and did not act do not want to admit or apologize to the victims.
No use for people in a few centuries to apologize.
Siddhartha
Lifer
You do not consider firebombing civilians an atrocity?
Why not?
Skyclad1uhm1
Lifer
Probably the same reason Palestinians claim civilians are perfectly normal targets, they also say that they are at war with the whole country and all its people, not just the government and its soldiers. Don't you agree that bombing people who do not fight you and who live under a non-democratic government (the Emperor) is perfectly normal?
K1052
Elite Member
The atomic bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the most expedient way to end the war with the fewest amounts of casualties on both sides.
The only other options were:
1. Invade -Japanese deaths would be in the millions, U.S. casualties would reach several hundred thousand
2. Blockade - Cut off all remaining shipping to the islands. This would result in mass starvation and huge numbers of deaths from starvation.
A negotiated peace would have produced too many concessions for the U.S. to accept.
The only other options were:
1. Invade -Japanese deaths would be in the millions, U.S. casualties would reach several hundred thousand
2. Blockade - Cut off all remaining shipping to the islands. This would result in mass starvation and huge numbers of deaths from starvation.
A negotiated peace would have produced too many concessions for the U.S. to accept.
Skyclad1uhm1
Lifer
Bombing the Emperor's palace was an option, but they didn't dare to try that as they were not sure what would happen.
SP33Demon
Lifer
Um, when the drunk driver and the victim's parents are all dead, who really cares? Should we apologize to countries for past administrations where we've planned, backed, and supported a coup? War is evil, tell us something we don't know, but don't expect current administrations to apologize for mistakes they didn't make, and where a scarce amount of people even live to still remember it.Originally posted by: masterxfob
Originally posted by: Lifer
seriously, what would an apology do at this point?
if a drunk driver were to kill your daughter (if you don't have one, imagine) and was sent to prison and never tried to apologize, would you be satisfied? wouldn't it be easier to move on if the man/woman that killed your daughter apologized and tried to make amends over the years?
ohh, but then again, what difference would it make? unlike many of you children who care only about themselves, an apology makes a world of difference to others.
How is one firebombing any different than a long protracted bombing campaign using HE to accomplish the same goals?
The only real difference is you cant say "on this date, xxx people died", you have to say "between days yyy and zzz, xxx people died". Its not as "impressive" of a fact on an emotional level, but it still means equal numbers of people dead.
SP33Demon
Lifer
All's fair in love and war. Do we need to mention how the US violated every code of ethical behavior against the Native Americans? In this case, the US would not have many states if it didn't destroy the Native Americans... was it wrong? Yes, of course, but it was war and I don't think Americans today should have to apologize for the actions of generations past.
Of course, but WTF do you want the current generation of Japanese to do. They had absolutely nothing to do with what happened back then, and would not support ever doing such a thing. Why are you people blatantly blaming an entire Japanese society. Blame the Japanese GOVERNMENT if you want, but calling Japanese people as "fsckers" as the OP did is absurd.
Your last comment shows that you are so tied down to your cultural history that you can't move beyond it. They admit wrongdoing and that is satisfactory for me. The events happened, but we need to move on and forge new improved relationships. Current Japan != past Japan. Thats like blaming current Jews on the death of the Jesus, or blaming current Germans for the death many Jews. They had absolutey nothing to do with it. Funny, much of the conflicts that have happened in Europe was because people were too tied down on history, like the French making Germany suffer after World War I, which of course led to WWII.
And where is America's apology to Vietnam? Thats right, it never happened because the US still refuses to fully admit wrong doing.
Yeah and none of that happened to the native americans or slaves did it? Let me emphasize the word genocide of the native americans and the word slaves.
One of several reasons why Washington promoted expansion to the West. WTF history book am I reading? It's a shame your history book is censored by the government and doesn't tell the full account of what really happened and why. Gee, that line sounds mighty familiar.
SP33Demon
Lifer
Ask Native Americans if atrocities of WAR were committed against their people. A "war" doesn't have to be officially "declared" to commit atrocities against someone. Why don't we call it a "campaign" to wipe out Native Americans and steal their land instead? It doesn't matter if it technically isn't an official "war" and instead a "campaign", atrocities are atrocities nonetheless and we are no less innocent than the Japanese when it comes to genocide.
Siddhartha
Lifer
You can justify a lot of evil with this argument. The Nazis conducted ethnic cleansing. Tough nookies....
SP33Demon
Lifer
Do you think that Germans today should have to apologize for the Nazi's? I don't feel that I have to apologize to any Native American for what my forefathers did, because it was something that I recognize as an atrocity and as wrong. It was something that I would never condone, nor partake in. Recognizing this is enough, and an apology is unnecessary.
well the german government already apologized.. but let me ask you this, what does japan lose by apologizing?
and a key difference is that in both cases of germany and america, everyone knows about the atrocities, its taught everywhere etc... from what i understand, nobody really talks about it in japan and some people even think it was the right thing to do.
furthermore, some of the soldiers who committed the atrocities are still alive... some have written books about how it was wrong etc, but others maintain they did the right thing.
GalvanizedYankee
Diamond Member
No they will never apologize, suicide to save face is their motto. No I do not hate the sons of Nippon 🙂
In the Pulitzer Prize winning book, Hirohito And The Making of Modern Japan, it is documented how they slipped wording
past our censers in the new Constitution that kept Koreans from becoming citizens. Most of these Koreans had been in Japan five generations.
80 year old comfort women still protest to this day, once a month at the Japanese embassy in Seoul.
Read, The Comfort Women, it's grim reading 🙁
A good detailed account of Japan's last days as an empire can be read in the book, The Last Mission. Baka Bomb anyone or maybe a suicide torpedo or an exploding frogman, the list is long.
Mill is right, the A-bomb kept the Russian Bear out of Japan. Russia was still pissed-off about the spanking Japan gave her in 1905 ?.
Most of Japan's Army in China at the end of hostilities never came home, this is documented in the Hirohito book.
Japan has given to China a lot of old tooling for mass production of goods, as a form of reparation. Thats why China is the leading producer of motorcycles in the world, 350cc and under.
We needed Japan because of what was going on in China in 1947 and too much was glossed over.
Once again, Japan will never apologize. My hope is, that someday soon(15years) China & Korea swallow her economically 😀
In the Pulitzer Prize winning book, Hirohito And The Making of Modern Japan, it is documented how they slipped wording
past our censers in the new Constitution that kept Koreans from becoming citizens. Most of these Koreans had been in Japan five generations.
80 year old comfort women still protest to this day, once a month at the Japanese embassy in Seoul.
Read, The Comfort Women, it's grim reading 🙁
A good detailed account of Japan's last days as an empire can be read in the book, The Last Mission. Baka Bomb anyone or maybe a suicide torpedo or an exploding frogman, the list is long.
Mill is right, the A-bomb kept the Russian Bear out of Japan. Russia was still pissed-off about the spanking Japan gave her in 1905 ?.
Most of Japan's Army in China at the end of hostilities never came home, this is documented in the Hirohito book.
Japan has given to China a lot of old tooling for mass production of goods, as a form of reparation. Thats why China is the leading producer of motorcycles in the world, 350cc and under.
We needed Japan because of what was going on in China in 1947 and too much was glossed over.
Once again, Japan will never apologize. My hope is, that someday soon(15years) China & Korea swallow her economically 😀
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