Hispanic students vanish from Alabama schools

[Infohawk]

Just wondering, could you elaborate on the $7000, or perhaps link me to the study?

You can google it. It's usually higher. $7000 is at the bottom of the range. I would imagine teacher and administrative salaries along with facilities are the largest expenses.

Honestly it probably does not even cost the state close to $7000 in Alabama/year try more like $7000 for the total cost over 12+ years. Most states only contribute about 10% of the funding per pupil, the rest is local and federal taxes. Which means based upon the Alabama Education department is about $400/year. These illegal immigrants pay local sales taxes and I am pretty sure their employer are hitting them up for SSI tax (and are probably pocketing it). So go right ahead and espouse the neocon party line.

The argument is even stronger if we accept that education is paid for by the federal government. Illegals pay about $200 to the federal government a year and I'm pretty sure that goes to social security and not to the general fund. Even if it does it's still paltry and insufficient.

 

[RedString]

The blinding emotion in this thread is ridiculous. I'm glad no one here is the President.

You can google it. It's usually higher. $7000 is at the bottom of the range. I would imagine teacher and administrative salaries along with facilities are the largest expenses.

Image your own highschools, if half of the Hispanics had to leave - Which teachers would have been let off? I wouldn't imagine any. Maybe english language teachers if there is no other foreigners. If anything the school would then get less money. I'm not sure but I wouldn't doubt if that in turn meant less money for the teachers.

If you're going to spend so much money to enforce this, why not spend the same and just push getting everyone registered instead? I mean, criminals have to leave of course - but the rest?

 

[Infohawk]

The blinding emotion in this thread is ridiculous. I'm glad no one here is the President.

Aren't you the one being emotional right there? Hope you weren't referring to my posts because I'm talking about financial realities. I don't think that's very emotional.

If you're going to spend so much money to enforce this, why not spend the same and just push getting everyone registered instead?

Because proper enforcement is going to save money in the long term.

 

[Jhhnn]

Aren't you the one being emotional right there? Hope you weren't referring to my posts because I'm talking about financial realities. I don't think that's very emotional.



Because proper enforcement is going to save money in the long term.

Mere assertion based on what you believe to be true, which you have yet to substantiate. You're caught in simulated rationality & circular thinking.

 

[Infohawk]

Mere assertion based on what you believe to be true, which you have yet to substantiate.

I've posted links in other threads. You're not worth me finding them, especially since google can find it for you so easily. Honestly, I suspect even if I did post the links they wouldn't change your mind. No point in your case.

 

[Jhhnn]

I've posted links in other threads. You're not worth me finding them, especially since google can find it for you so easily. Honestly, I suspect even if I did post the links they wouldn't change your mind. No point in your case.

Oooh! Smug deflection!

It's your assertion, and your responsibility to back it up. In this thread. At your convenience, of course.

 

[jdstern]

You can google it. It's usually higher. $7000 is at the bottom of the range. I would imagine teacher and administrative salaries along with facilities are the largest expenses.



The argument is even stronger if we accept that education is paid for by the federal government. Illegals pay about $200 to the federal government a year and I'm pretty sure that goes to social security and not to the general fund. Even if it does it's still paltry and insufficient.

And that $200 figure comes from?

 

[Infohawk]

And that $200 figure comes from?

I might have confused the federal income tax with state income taxes. Most don't make enough to pay federal income taxes.

Here is an article that you could have googled that runs down how much illegals tend to pay.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-20/local/29470037_1_sales-taxes-tax-revenue-property-taxes/2

The funny thing is that the article acts like it's a big contribution. But if you divide the sums by the amount of illegals in the country (about 13,000,000) it comes out to a pathetic amount per person. And then when you compare those contributions to the cost of the services their families take in, it's a net loss to legal Americans.

 

[sportage]

This just sounds unAmerican. Most of us at one time came from outside America. Just how many native American Indians do we have here on the forums?

Illegal’s come here for a better life. Hope. And to punish their children, well, I had thought we were better than that. Guess not.

This could be handled justly and wisely. But in today’s America, hate rules the show.

 

[chucky2]

You do realize that these illegal immigrants works for literally slave wages. Which directly translates into cheap food prices. Lose the cheap labor, lose the cheap food. So if your okay with paying around $3 or $4 per pound for chicken, or upwards of $1 or more for a head of lettuce then by all means let's deport them.

I fully realize that. I fully realize it doesn't matter. These businesses and the people that run them, and this includes the small business, are greedy as f*ck. They could care less they're exploiting people. And the food wouldn't be radically higher in cost. You're talking going from a $5 meal to a $7 meal. Big F'ing deal. If that's what it takes to stop the illegal invasion, raise it to $8 a meal, I'll gladly pay it.

The math doesn't lie, and it's going to be lying far far far less in 300 years or so. Stop thinking short term and start thinking long term, as any American should about their own country.

Our short term greed and laziness, and political correctness, is going to be the downfall of this country, sooner, or later. Disgusting.

 

[davmat787]

I might have confused the federal income tax with state income taxes. Most don't make enough to pay federal income taxes.

Here is an article that you could have googled that runs down how much illegals tend to pay.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-20/local/29470037_1_sales-taxes-tax-revenue-property-taxes/2

The funny thing is that the article acts like it's a big contribution. But if you divide the sums by the amount of illegals in the country (about 13,000,000) it comes out to a pathetic amount per person. And then when you compare those contributions to the cost of the services their families take in, it's a net loss to legal Americans.

Another figure to take into account is the amount of money earned here in the US, and sent back to native countries. I don't remember the exact figure for Mexico alone and I will try to find it, but it is staggering. A dollar earned here goes along way to support family in countries like Mexico.

 

[soccerballtux]

honestly I'm surprised we haven't seen more racial profiling. Historically, nations and powers always valued the legitimate citizens higher than the foreigners. Remember how much it meant to be a real Roman citizen. If you weren't one you didn't have nearly as many rights. Why haven't we shifted to this yet? IE, for healthcare, schooling, etc.

We'll be sucked dry in one generation.

 

[Jaskalas]

Remember how much it meant to be a real Roman citizen.

What makes you think we'll fare any better than Rome did?

 

[Pocatello]

Go to California! There are plenty of jobs there, and school and healthcare for everybody!

 

[96redformula]

$6000 annual rate per student is at the cheap end in Texas.

 

[Hacp]

Here is NY, isn't it like 13k per student? Unions ftl.

 

[dmcowen674]

Kiss cheap food prices good bye

You do realize that these illegal immigrants works for literally slave wages. Which directly translates into cheap food prices. Lose the cheap labor, lose the cheap food. So if your okay with paying around $3 or $4 per pound for chicken, or upwards of $1 or more for a head of lettuce then by all means let's deport them.

What cheap food?

Prices have been going through the roof anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

I might have confused the federal income tax with state income taxes. Most don't make enough to pay federal income taxes.

Here is an article that you could have googled that runs down how much illegals tend to pay.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-20/local/29470037_1_sales-taxes-tax-revenue-property-taxes/2

The funny thing is that the article acts like it's a big contribution. But if you divide the sums by the amount of illegals in the country (about 13,000,000) it comes out to a pathetic amount per person. And then when you compare those contributions to the cost of the services their families take in, it's a net loss to legal Americans.

Heh. Still nothing, other than circling back around to re-assertion of your original contention, substantiated by conjecture and projection.

First you believe, then attempt to rationalize that belief using it as a conceptual framework. It's self sealing ontology. It's religion.

 

[soccerballtux]

What cheap food?

Prices have been going through the roof anyway.

especially the milk prices

 

[soccerballtux]

What makes you think we'll fare any better than Rome did?

I most certainly don't think we will. The only thing that sustained Rome for so long through all the corruption was the free slave labor. We don't have that, instead we give our slaves free education, food, shelter, etc. In other words we die much faster than Rome.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What cheap food?

Prices have been going through the roof anyway.

especially the milk prices

Sales are still under $2/gallon. Seems to happen at least twice a month

 

[chowderhead]

the pro-illegal alien apologist always counter with ... but what do with do with the 12 million illegal aliens that are here in the US? We can't just deport them all.

If the government enforced US labor laws and went after the employers that hire these people, if the government stopped providing incentives for people to break the laws and stay here then these people would start to self-deport. End giving out free carrots and they will start self deporting.

 

[classy]

These are innocent children. There is no benefit to society at all for these kids now to become not only illegal, but now illiterate. They are not going to leave the country, instead they will just stay at home and become a burden for the legal system.

 

[Zebo]

You do realize that these illegal immigrants works for literally slave wages. Which directly translates into cheap food prices. Lose the cheap labor, lose the cheap food. So if your okay with paying around $3 or $4 per pound for chicken, or upwards of $1 or more for a head of lettuce then by all means let's deport them.

It also translates into depressed wages for everyone else due to oversupply of labor so it's a wash. If you're a carpenter making $30 a hour you won't mind $4 chickens.

 

[Patranus]

Just a reminder for everyone that illegals pay about $1000 in state taxes every year but it takes about $7000 to pay for one of their kids to go to schools.

This sounds like a good thing for Georgia.

And how many kids does the average illegal immigrant have?

ANyways, it is a shame that Gay Davis felt the need to not appeal prop 187.