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Hiring discrimination against gays!?!?!?!

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Nesud.

You're missing my point... I'm not suggesting that you should have to bring up your kids a certain way.. I'm suggesting that if you send your kids to public school.. be aware that there ARE GAY KIDS THERE... and they deserve just as much sexual guidance as any other kid. Who knows maybe one of your kids is gay right now...

I'm not calling you homophobic... I'm saying that either your kid is gay or not... You cannot control the curriculum of the schools system solely according to your own personal morals... there are lots of morals in need of consideration besides your own.

-Max
 
doboji: SCHOOLS ARE NOT FOR MORAL TEACHINGS!!! that should be left to the parents, today schools are delving far too much into brainwashing our kids with stuff that has nothing to do with academics....all the while our childrens academics are falling further and further behind the rest of the world. If the f*cking schools want to raise children, tell them to have their own and just teach mine what is in the f*cking textbooks. I will take care of the rest.
 
Dually you aren't reading all my posts That is not what i personally would do I just think that a business owner has that right. As i said earlier I can work with anyone. I am more concerned with skills and talent not what they do at home. I simply don't beleive anyone has the right to dictate those things to a business owner. lets face it a smart business is going to try and get the best people it can period. If they limit themselves by excluding groups of people over something totally unrelated to the job then they aren't really a smart business are they.
 


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<< Are you scared that your kids are gonna catch &quot;gayitis&quot; or something >>



Thats enough of that. I have the right to determine their moral upbringing. It has nothing to do with as you call it &quot;gayitis&quot; No one has the right to dictate to me what i should teach my children in regards to morality as long as i am not teaching them to hate. So stop with that damn homophobe bullsh!t it doesn't apply.

Are you saying that some gay activist has the right to get in my face at a school board meeting and dictate to me what morals i should be teaching my children?

That Moron didn't have a right to say anything there he has no children in the school district. I am sorry but it doesn't take a village. I can raise my own children thank you very much. >>



You as a parent have 100% total and complete control over how to raise your kids and I stand by that right.

However yes a activist or anyone else could tell you in your face at a school board meeting how to raise your kid or anything else, its called the 1st amendment. However you can ignore them.
 


<< Dually you aren't reading all my posts That is not what i personally would do I just think that a business owner has that right. As i said earlier I can work with anyone. I am more concerned with skills and talent not what they do at home. I simply don't beleive anyone has the right to dictate those things to a business owner. lets face it a smart business is going to try and get the best people it can period. If they limit themselves by excluding groups of people over something totally unrelated to the job then they aren't really a smart business are they. >>



I know, I am saying that business owners don't have that right because they don't. If you don't like it write your congressmen.
 
Warcleric hit the nail on the head. Moral issues are the parents obligation so if a child were gay which since i consider gay more of a learned behaviour that an innate one is unlikely then the issue is private and none of the schools business which has been my point all along. I certainly don't think i have the right to tell gay couples with children and i have known a couple that their children need straight education in school. So don't try to pull that crap on me.
 
warcleric... first off... we need to come to terms with the fact that some morality must be taught in school... dealing with bullys, fighting, stealing etc... the same as the laws we have in our society.

Next.. I agree. As little morality in the schools as possible... but either go one way or the other... People who argue against gay lifestyle teaching in schools... are often people who want christian prayer in schools. These people aren't advocating minimum morality and the right to teach their kids as they see fit, they're advocating THEIR morality in schools, and teaching ALL kids as they see fit.

Do one or the other... either truly sperate church and state... or advocate all churches and the state... not one or the other... and I would argue that the latter is logistically impossible.

-Max
 


<< However yes a activist or anyone else could tell you in your face at a school board meeting how to raise your kid or anything else, its called the 1st amendment. However you can ignore them. >>



I am sorry but that isn't really correct public comments are at the prerogative of the board and not necessarily a given. especially for an outsider. You can stand out side the meeting chamber and spout all you want but in the meeting there are rules of conduct that are backed by law which includes public comment. This Idiot was arrested for creating a disturbance. Lucky for him to they way he was spitting at me I think i may have been justified in defending myself with a nice shot to the jaw.
 


<< Warcleric hit the nail on the head. Moral issues are the parents obligation so if a child were gay which since i consider gay more of a learned behaviour that an innate one is unlikely then the issue is private and none of the schools business which has been my point all along. I certainly don't think i have the right to tell gay couples with children and i have known a couple that their children need straight education in school. So don't try to pull that crap on me. >>



That is okay and you can think that if you want except dna doesn't care and can't hear you.

Also what is straight and gay education?
 
Dually, ok find me ONE bit of scientific evidence that gayness is genetic.

John Stossel's enviromental brainwashing show can be applied to a lot of other stuff too.
 
&quot;That is okay and you can think that if you want except dna doesn't care and can't hear you.&quot;

As if their was conclusive evidence either way.
 


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<< However yes a activist or anyone else could tell you in your face at a school board meeting how to raise your kid or anything else, its called the 1st amendment. However you can ignore them. >>



I am sorry but that isn't really correct public comments are at the prerogative of the board and not necessarily a given. especially for an outsider. You can stand out side the meeting chamber and spout all you want but in the meeting there are rules of conduct that are backed by law which includes public comment. This Idiot was arrested for creating a disturbance. Lucky for him to they way he was spitting at me I think i may have been justified in defending myself with a nice shot to the jaw. >>



Yes there are codes of conduct except now I know you were basing it on a real situation not a fake one and need mor einfo to make a good judgement.

Also you are not legally justified in hitting him and you lack of maturity shows in your action of hitting him. You should have been arrested and charged with assault and hitting someone is against those codes of conduct.
 


<< &quot;That is okay and you can think that if you want except dna doesn't care and can't hear you.&quot;

As if their was conclusive evidence either way. >>



I agree there is no evidence one way or the other, I just wanted to see what people did.
 
shshsh Aaron, if we repeat it enough it becomes true right?

repeat after me, &quot;it's genetic, 10%&quot;
 


<< People who argue against gay lifestyle teaching in schools... are often people who want christian prayer in schools. These people aren't advocating minimum morality and the right to teach their kids as they see fit, they're advocating THEIR morality in schools, and teaching ALL kids as they see fit. >>



I am sorry but that simply isn't the case. Most of us simply want the interference to stop. what you see on the news isn't necessarily what the majority is thinking or doing. Haven't seen any bible thumping activists at our meetings only the gay variety. That is a grossly innaccurate stereotype.



<< Also what is straight and gay education? >>



Good question since you brought it up you tell me.
 
NesuD... sounds to me like this guy was out of line... but this doesnt mean that gay activists as a whole are out of line, or that the issue itself is out of line...

And as for you &quot;homosexuality is not genetic&quot; people... CAPN.. and others..... I pose to you the same burdon of proof... prove to me homosexuality is NOT genetic...

-Max
 
A very mixed thread...

OK, well here comes Optimus the devout Roman Catholic to say...

&quot;I agree with Doboji!&quot;

*gasp!*

😉

Seriously, there is no reason to discriminate in hiring against homosexuals except for cases where the organization has a direct conflict (i.e. a minister or counsellor). But I see no reason that homosexuals shouldn't be able to work for religious charities in roles where there is no such conflict! Why can't a Salvation Army cashier be gay?

I, as a Roman Catholic, and if I owned a business, would hire a homosexual person in a second if they were the most qualified person. What they do in private is between them and God and none of my business.

Remember - before you all paint every Christian with the same brush - that Catholicism doesn't consider being gay wrong or a sin. Any sex outside marriage is a sin, but it is a matter between the person and god only.

I could therefor no more discriminate against homosexuals than I could against anyone who lived with a girlfriend/boyfriend.

The fact is I wouldn't discriminate. I don't think organizations should either.
 


<< Also you are not legally justified in hitting him and you lack of maturity shows in your action of hitting him. You should have been arrested and charged with assault and hitting someone is against those codes of conduct. >>



Can you read? I didn't hit him but the thought was pleasant I would think thr fact that I didn't react to his obnoxious and threatening behaviour would be more a demonstration of my self control. Your inability to read comprehensively demonstrates your immaturity I think this exchange is over I didn't realize you were only in the second grade.
 
Please quote me as to where I said the homosexual behavior is not a mix of predisposition plus environment.

The scientific answer is that we don't know. The burden of proof is equally shared in this matter.
 


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<< People who argue against gay lifestyle teaching in schools... are often people who want christian prayer in schools. These people aren't advocating minimum morality and the right to teach their kids as they see fit, they're advocating THEIR morality in schools, and teaching ALL kids as they see fit. >>



I am sorry but that simply isn't the case. Most of us simply want the interference to stop. what you see on the news isn't necessarily what the majority is thinking or doing. Haven't seen any bible thumping activists at our meetings only the gay variety. That is a grossly innaccurate stereotype.



<< Also what is straight and gay education? >>



Good question since you brought it up you tell me. >>



I didn't bring it up, someone else did, I have never heard of it, seen it or know anything about it.
 


<< And as for you &quot;homosexuality is not genetic&quot; people... CAPN.. and others..... I pose to you the same burdon of proof... prove to me homosexuality is NOT genetic... >>



All i can say to that is prove that it is. My contention is that it is more of a learned behaviour since most behaviours are learned. If it is otherwise then the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
 
Whatever happened to love the sinner, hate the sin? I suppose the teachings of the Bible only matter when they support your personal beliefs.
 


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<< Also you are not legally justified in hitting him and you lack of maturity shows in your action of hitting him. You should have been arrested and charged with assault and hitting someone is against those codes of conduct. >>



Can you read? I didn't hit him but the thought was pleasant I would think thr fact that I didn't react to his obnoxious and threatening behaviour would be more a demonstration of my self control. Your inability to read comprehensively demonstrates your immaturity I think this exchange is over I didn't realize you were only in the second grade. >>

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&quot;This Idiot was arrested for creating a disturbance. Lucky for him to they way he was spitting at me I think i may have been justified in defending myself with a nice shot to the jaw. &quot;

You incapibility to send what you think and then attack people for not knowing what you are thinking shows how mature you are. I wish my fellow Michiganders were more mature.
 


<< Whatever happened to love the sinner, hate the sin? I suppose the teachings of the Bible only matter when they support your personal beliefs. >>



Except being a homosexual isn't a sin.
 
imagine this scenario, you own a small hardware store in a deep south redneck small town.

An openly gay man who talks mega effemite applies for a job.

You personally have nothing against this guy, however you know for a FACT that there's a lot of people in this town who don't like gay's and hiring this guy will cost you business, take food off your family's table, and possibly put you out of business.

Do you hire him, or do you say: &quot;I'm sorry, the position is no longer available.&quot;
 
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