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Hiring discrimination against gays!?!?!?!

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We don't really know if that place was either, many charitable organizations don't receive federal funding.
 
Grounds for discrimination. I can't imagine hiring a homosexual person to advocate the immorality of homosexuality.

I can't imagine hiring a white supremist to advocate racial equality.

I can't imagine hiring a Jew to advocate Jesus.

But other than these types of cases... I don't see how anyone can justify things like... "we won't hire a gay janitor, because we believe homosexuality is a sin"... or I won't hire a Jewish cook, because he doesnt believe in jesus... etc etc. etc.... Some issues are too gray to determine... I don't think this is one of those issues.

-Max
 
actually, they probably didn't hire you because you were dumb enough to admit that you were not a christian when you were being interviewed for a job at a christian youth center!

I mean, that is as boneheaded as it gets! I'm not saying you're dumb, you probably just didn't drink your coffee that morning.
 
Let post the question in a slightly different viewpoint. Let say there is a special interest club, i.e. gay club out there somewhere since this is what we are talking about. Then you have this individual who has morals/values that are total opposite this special interest club. He joins this club and tries to enforce his morals/values to these people. How do you think these people will react to this individual? How about he does not try to enforce anything, but his very present remind them of things they hate?
 
teaching the gay lifestyle in school.. is a completely different discussion... before we even begin to ask this question we must first ask the question "do we teach the straight lifestyle in school?"... If the answer is "no", then I don't see any reason to teach the gay lifestyle in school. However if we do teach the "straight lifestyle"... then by all means we must be willing to teach the "gay lifestyle"... there are afterall gay children amongst your straight children... and they need preperation just as much as your children.

Are you scared that your kids are gonna catch "gayitis" or something?
-Max
 
Ya, I might not have anything to b!tch aout but I was referred by a angency and was told that it didn't matter what religion you are. I took that as being true because I've known black, very Christian women that worked for Jewish Vocational Service (JVS) and Muslim organizations. I also know the bible pretty well and could have used that as a reference in the job. This was basically a Social worker job that happen to be in a Christian organization. When they asked me "what does it mean to be a Christian?" I didn't give an answer because it can be different for each person. Who knows, I probably have nothing to complain about. It was a long shot job to start with. It would have been nice though because the place is located in Ann Arbor, my favorite city in Michigan 🙂


Oh yes, it was State funded in part.

AaronP> I could have lied but I'm sure they would be able to tell that I'm not a Christian. People will be able to tell these things in Conversations and such. I tried to be as honest as possible in that interview that's why I said "I watch Star trek" when they asked me "what do I do for stress relief." *LOL*
 
Capn,

I apologize. I'm actually talking about the salvation army. According to the article...

It (salvation army) already receives nearly $300 million a year in government money.

And stands to lose it if it doesn't meet Federal Anti-Discrimination laws. The salvation army is offering to use its clout to support Pres Bush's inititiatives if he grants them protection from the same type of litigation that nailed the boy scouts.

So, my beef with Bush is that he will probably write up an executive order to protect them, regardless that it is actually illegal. That executive order will stand until the next Democrat gets into office, and rescinds it.

Federal law is quite clear on the matter. Bush's ethics aren't.
 


<< NesuD...

Again pedophilia consists of the sexual act between two non-consensual people one not being an adult. Homosexuality consists of the sexual act between two consensual adults.

BIIIIG Difference...

-Max >>



Just playing devils advocate but if the child consents it's still wrong no?
 
It would be really interesting to hire a gay person to be a pastor when say..... the church doesn't believe in that kind of lifestyle.... don't ya think??

and I'm personally kind of tired of all this special treatment towards gays. Seems like, if they say, &quot;I'm gay&quot; then they get the job. so aren't they starting to discrimnate against the non-gay person?????? just venting.
 


<< Let post the question in a slightly different viewpoint. Let say there is a special interest club, i.e. gay club out there somewhere since this is what we are talking about. Then you have this individual who has morals/values that are total opposite this special interest club. He joins this club and tries to enforce his morals/values to these people. How do you think these people will react to this individual? How about he does not try to enforce anything, but his very present remind them of things they hate? >>



HE would loose his membership as he should after it becomes clear his views and actions are not those of the clubs. However the key distinction is that a club is not public like a company, or public organizations.
 
Yeah it's still wrong if a child consents.. because I don't believe and science has shown, and experience has shown that child is not really capable of consent.

-Max
 


<< It would be really interesting to hire a gay person to be a pastor when say..... the church doesn't believe in that kind of lifestyle.... don't ya think??

and I'm personally kind of tired of all this special treatment towards gays. Seems like, if they say, &quot;I'm gay&quot; then they get the job. so aren't they starting to discrimnate against the non-gay person?????? just venting. >>



Its not special treatment, its equal treatment.

Regarding your first sentence it would depend on the denomination, some allow gays to be pastors and some don't. Being Gay is immoral in the eyes of traditional christian views and laws from the christians kingdoms but not against God's Law. God only handed down 10 laws and alas they mention the subject no where. However when someone steals they are not condemed and discriminated against for being unchristian.
 
NEW DEVELOPMENT:


backpeddling


Heh. If Ari isn't apolgizing for Rumstedts mistatements, he's apologizing for Bush misinterpretations.


So much for the &quot;you scratch my back, I scratch yours&quot; approach, or at least the overt one.

 


<< Just playing devils advocate but if the child consents it's still wrong no? >>


Under most every state's laws, the adult could be charged with child abuse. You see it happen with teenage couples. The boy turns 18, and has consentual sex with his nearly 16 year old girlfriend. Her parents find out, flip out, and get him arrested for statitory rape.
 


<< Yeah it's still wrong if a child consents.. because I don't believe and science has shown, and experience has shown that child is not really capable of consent.

-Max >>



That is correct.
 


<<

<< Just playing devils advocate but if the child consents it's still wrong no? >>


Under most every state's laws, it the adult could be charged with child abuse. You see it happen with teenage couples. The boy turns 18, and has consentual sex with his nearly 16 year old girlfriend. Her parents find out, flip out, and get him arrested for statitory rape. >>



Except many states have the laws where the age of consent is 16 not 18.
 
Look this is going nowhere. Let it suffice to say I don't find homosexuality morally acceptable to me. At the same time I realize that i do not have the right to impose my morals on others I can live with that. At the same time lets remember that the others also do not have the right to impose their morals on me. At the same time i think a business owner has the right no matter how misguided it may be to take his definition of morality into consideration when he decides whom he wants to work with. Just as he would have the right not to allow someone into his home based on his moral convictions he should have the same right in his business since he is the owner and it is his property.

 


<< Look this is going nowhere. Let it suffice to say I don't find homosexuality morally acceptable to me. At the same time I realize that i do not have the right to impose my morals on others I can live with that. At the same time lets remember that the others also do not have the right to impose their morals on me. At the same time i think a business owner has the right no matter how misguided it may be to take his definition of morality into consideration when he decides whom he wants to work with. Just as he would have the right not to allow someone into his home based on his moral convictions he should have the same right in his business since he is the owner and it is his property. >>



Nope. Only within reason. He can only discriminate if what the person is doing gets in the way of the job.

You are a member of your community and you have to live by its rules, regeulations and etc. IF you don't like it move your business somewhere where that isn't the case. You wouldn't even know if the person is a hmosexual in most cases if they just did their job? What kind of business do you own?
 
MrBond--

That's also a quite different situation. In that case the 18 year old would not be labeled a pedophile or sexual deviant. The law (and common sense) draws a line between people who are sexually mature (i.e. pubescent) and those who are not. Neither (according to our laws) can give consent, but in the case of prepubescent children, the offender is labeled a sexual predator in every conviction.

l2c
 
Dually: I highly doubt that many churches will hire someone with a rap sheet as long as your arm either.

I firmly believe that I have the right to hire whomever I please to work in my business. The government has no right to tell me who I can and cannot hire and for what reasons. This being said, I could care less about a persons sexual orientation, but if it becomes a topic of discussion at work, I would fire a gay person just as quick as I would fire a straight person, as work is no place for this type of discussion. So, basically, I should never know what any of my employees sexual orientation is, because if I do, then they did something wrong.
 
Kosugi.... the question now is whether that special protection will be issued. Bush has this way of saying he's not going to do it... not going to do it... not going to doit... and then he does it. Like father like son... I guess.

-Max
 


<< I firmly believe that I have the right to hire whomever I please to work in my business. >>



So you think that business owners should be allowed to not hire black people becaue they are black, and tall people because they are tall... etc etc etc?

-Max
 


<< Are you scared that your kids are gonna catch &quot;gayitis&quot; or something >>



Thats enough of that. I have the right to determine their moral upbringing. It has nothing to do with as you call it &quot;gayitis&quot; No one has the right to dictate to me what i should teach my children in regards to morality as long as i am not teaching them to hate. So stop with that damn homophobe bullsh!t it doesn't apply.

Are you saying that some gay activist has the right to get in my face at a school board meeting and dictate to me what morals i should be teaching my children?

That Moron didn't have a right to say anything there he has no children in the school district. I am sorry but it doesn't take a village. I can raise my own children thank you very much.
 
Doboji: certainly....I am not that way, but in a small business setting, what good will come of forcing the owner to hire someone who he does not want to work with. Both the employer and employee will be unhappy. And what is next, the government telling you what you can and cannot sell or produce, or the government telling you what kind of business you can or cannot start up. It is just not the governments place in a small business setting. When you get into larger businesses then some regulations are necessary because it has an effect on far too many people, and has the possibility to ruin a community.
 
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