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Hillary is getting on my nerves...
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Zebo
Elite Member
Used to dislike her a lot more but to me she's proven very tough in this race when everyone was/is against her while throwing softballs to other candidates, especially Obama. She's still exudes her fakeness more than others but that deosnt bother me so much since they are all FOS - she's just a worse actor thats all. I hope she stays till August and we get to see what supers really do.
let's say, in the unlikely event of a worst-case scenario Hillary takes it to the floor... Obama's running as this great uniter, that's practically all he ran on during the primaries (Hillary's too divisive, she's not likable enough, etc). how can he claim to be a uniter if Hillary can single-handedly torpedo the democrats? is she really that much worse than the opposition he's going to be facing from republicans in congress who *don't* share almost every single one of his views?
Zebo
Elite Member
She played a significant part in starting at least one based on lies.
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12874
Read all three parts on Bosnia/kosovo quagmire
One could also argue she was complicit in the Iraq war as well.
BoberFett
Lifer
Yes, you could, and you'd be right. That doesn't mean it doesn't apply to Hillary as well. Hillary would be politics as usual, meaning just another administration full of scumbags.
Obama at least seems honest. I may not agree with him (in fact I'm downright against him on many issues) but right now I'll take honesty over policy.
marincounty
Diamond Member
The Bosnia/Kosovo quagmire? How many US troops have died in this war? And how much has it cost America?
Quagmire? See Iraq.
BoberFett
Lifer
Originally posted by: Harvey
Get a grip, soldier. I don't like or trust Hillary, either, but even if she's as much of a liar as every one of the Bushwhackos, she didn't start a war based on lies that, to date, has killed 4,086 of your fellow American troops and left tens of thousands more wounded, scarred and disabled for life.🙁
Neither has she shredded the U.S. Constitution to spy on American citizens without the benefit of a warrant or committed torture and other crimes against humanity.
I agree that she's bad news. The good news is, she's not going to be the Democratic candidate for President so she won't have the chance to prove she's as bad as you believe. 🙂
She hasn't started a war because she isn't president. Give her 8 years in the White House, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see another invasion on flimsy evidence.
marincounty
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Harvey
Get a grip, soldier. I don't like or trust Hillary, either, but even if she's as much of a liar as every one of the Bushwhackos, she didn't start a war based on lies that, to date, has killed 4,086 of your fellow American troops and left tens of thousands more wounded, scarred and disabled for life.🙁
Neither has she shredded the U.S. Constitution to spy on American citizens without the benefit of a warrant or committed torture and other crimes against humanity.
I agree that she's bad news. The good news is, she's not going to be the Democratic candidate for President so she won't have the chance to prove she's as bad as you believe. 🙂
She hasn't started a war because she isn't president. Give her 8 years in the White House, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see another invasion on flimsy evidence.
I hope she invades Texas. I hear there are a lot of energy criminals there along with a bunch of child molestors. 😉
I feel just like the OP. Hillary is driving me crazy. I think it's that Obama is my little boy and Hillary is my Mommy. But whatever it is she is showing me that I'm crazy.
I feel just like palehorse too. I have this horrible need to demonize that bit@^, I mean that woman. Thank you Hillary. Again you help me see I'm completely insane.
I am absolutely fascinated by how partisan feelings arise and why, and how we learn to identify and how emotionally irrational we become when we do.
How we see is totally dependent on how we preconceive what we are looking at. Hillary went from an angel to a devil right before my eyes.
I can see now also why people hate Obama, both the right and Hillary supporters.
But regardless of how objective on may wish to be, or how nonobjective on can see that one is, I have to vote for somebody and that will be Obama.
I have tired to figure out what it is about Hillary that I object to objectively and it is, I think, that I see as her as unprincipled craving. Her campaign has been a constant search to tell the voter what they want to hear to get a vote. Her stance constantly adjusts to the wind. And she does it without the slightest organic shame as if I had no memory of yesterday at all. She is profoundly arrogant and a phony actor in my opinion. Obama has not changed his message or his demeanor from day one and on day one.
I feel just like palehorse too. I have this horrible need to demonize that bit@^, I mean that woman. Thank you Hillary. Again you help me see I'm completely insane.
I am absolutely fascinated by how partisan feelings arise and why, and how we learn to identify and how emotionally irrational we become when we do.
How we see is totally dependent on how we preconceive what we are looking at. Hillary went from an angel to a devil right before my eyes.
I can see now also why people hate Obama, both the right and Hillary supporters.
But regardless of how objective on may wish to be, or how nonobjective on can see that one is, I have to vote for somebody and that will be Obama.
I have tired to figure out what it is about Hillary that I object to objectively and it is, I think, that I see as her as unprincipled craving. Her campaign has been a constant search to tell the voter what they want to hear to get a vote. Her stance constantly adjusts to the wind. And she does it without the slightest organic shame as if I had no memory of yesterday at all. She is profoundly arrogant and a phony actor in my opinion. Obama has not changed his message or his demeanor from day one and on day one.
boomerang
Lifer
I second that well said. What is so amazing to me is the shear numbers of people here in the U.S. that cannot see through her boldfaced lies and deceit. What may be scarier is the possibility that they empathize with her because they share the same values she does. A very scary scenario.
If you haven't guessed already, I am not a Hillary supporter. However, I do see one good thing that could perhaps come about because of her running for the Presidency. It's never been called out as such as her campaign is nearing its end, but I believe she has set the stage for debate and possible elimination of the Electoral College. The election of the President of the U.S. should be by the popular vote and nothing else IMO.
And what's with Super-Delegates? Why in my 53 years of life have I NEVER heard the mention of a Super-Delegate before? That whole process seems rife for corruption.
it's not that we don't see them, it's just that we're not so blinded by the thrill up our leg that we don't see Obama's as well.
truth in politics is overrated... Nixon was one of our best presidents, and I'd hardly call a fluff over a trip to Bosnia over a decade ago or pandering at a race-baiting church of Nixonian proportions.
truth in politics is overrated... Nixon was one of our best presidents, and I'd hardly call a fluff over a trip to Bosnia over a decade ago or pandering at a race-baiting church of Nixonian proportions.
Lemon law
Lifer
I am not a Hillary fan, but its time to label palehorse74 as a hateful idiot without credibility. Accuse Hillary of lack of principles, how dare you. Hillary Clinton has been the victim of the GOP&Limbaugh attack machine for the better part of two decades. Yet when the Presidency success ratings are added up, the Clinton Presidency is the gold standard for real success in any Presidency since WW2. Lets give the GOP attack machine credit where credit is sleeze, but Ken Starr wasted the better part of a 100 million dollars and came up empty. In terms of the real morals charge the GOP still has, namely Bill Clinton got a blow job, that is hardly Hillary's fault. And on balance, if Hillary could help balance the budgit
like she and Bill did, it places her head and shoulders above Reagan and GWB. But when paleshorse74 places Hillary below GWB&co, he has proved himself an idiot.
like she and Bill did, it places her head and shoulders above Reagan and GWB. But when paleshorse74 places Hillary below GWB&co, he has proved himself an idiot.
glutenberg
Golden Member
Can you criticize him with something he said or is that too much work for you?
trenchfoot
Lifer
harold icky spoke for hillary surely as if her words came out of his mouth verbatim. his spiteful, testy closing threat of a statement at the end of the DNC meeting told me everything i needed to know as far as how blinded and apart from reality that hillary and her close supporters have become in their obsessive quest to somehow wring victory out of certain defeat. she has taken a large portion of her supporters down the wrong road of bigotry, spitefullness and lies. in doing so, has made a portion of them organize themselves into the party of hillary and/or mccain instead of the party of unified democrats.
she was the one that took the race into the gutter, and she is the one that now demands to change the rules that she previously agreed to, expressly for the purpose of making things go her way.
i cannot respect that kind of behaviour. more so, i cannot support a person of that character to lead us out of bush's disaster of terms in office.
she was the one that took the race into the gutter, and she is the one that now demands to change the rules that she previously agreed to, expressly for the purpose of making things go her way.
i cannot respect that kind of behaviour. more so, i cannot support a person of that character to lead us out of bush's disaster of terms in office.
chowderhead
Platinum Member
when Obama praises Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush and dismisses the only 2-term Democratic President in the past 50 years, I know who is a true Democrat and who will say anything to get a vote.
palehorse
Lifer
LAWL!!!!11 😕
Wow... the Victim Card... who would've guessed? Are you fucking serious!? :roll:
Fixed.
giving Hillary ANY credit for the balanced budget is outright blasphomy.
When did I place her "Below GWB&Co"?!? Oh, that's right, I never did. I see that you've resorted to putting words in other peoples' mouths again... cute.
She is just one example of the scumsucking douchebags who plague American politics... just one. I've never placed her above, or below, any of the others... so right about now is when you can go fuck yourself.
GG.
I´ll say it for you. Hillary Clinton has less integrity than GW Bush. Bush is an assclown, who lied to the American people, to convince us to go along with his warped worldview. Hillary lies everywhere, all the time, for her own personal gain.
The country (and the world) desparately needs to get rid of both of them, but morally, I would say Bush at least commits his deceptions for a cause, however warped. Hillary commits hers for herself only.
The country (and the world) desparately needs to get rid of both of them, but morally, I would say Bush at least commits his deceptions for a cause, however warped. Hillary commits hers for herself only.
trenchfoot
Lifer
as soon as she found out she was increasingly lagging behind obama and concurrently as soon as she realized that playing the high road against him was playing his game. she fired the first fart...er, shot that turned things ugly as obama was forced to respond in kind.
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