Hillary faints @ ground zero?

[Pens1566]

Like what? Please be specific.

Like obama saying you can keep your doctors, affordable college education, health insurance that cost as much as a phone bill?

Like revealing the "truth" about what his birther investigators found.
Like revealing his tax returns.

Just two off the top of my head.

 

[Texashiker]

Like revealing the "truth" about what his birther investigators found.
Like revealing his tax returns.

Just two off the top of my head.

Wow, is that all you have?

Sounds like you need to be voting republican.

 

[Pens1566]

Wow, is that all you have?

Sounds like you need to be voting republican.

Is there one running?

 

[nageov3t]

Like what? Please be specific.

Trump has basically been on both side of every issue I can think of other than free trade deals.

here's a specific, comprehensive list of his various stances:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...p-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

 

[Indus]

Wow, is that all you have?

Sounds like you need to be voting republican.

Yah her name is Hillary Rodham Clinton

 

[woolfe9998]

Assuming your premise of political advocacy, then yes white males should get some political advocacy as admitted by you. When I suggested mental health programs it too was under the presupposition that government needed to step in. I don't think the government should get into trying to correct cultural problems. You suggested gun regulation and I gave a better government solution for the reasons I provided. I was not agreeing that we needed to have a political solution.

Next is promoting equality, which I believe neither side does. The Left promotes equal outcomes, while the says they are for egalitarian which is often bull shit. This is why I consider myself more of a left person, because at least the left has their hart in the right place. The right pretends to care, but its generally not true.

But back to the false equivalency claim. If you believe that the negative outcomes for minorities should have the government get involved, then logically you should also get involved in the non minorities outcomes. You seem to be saying that because whites have it so good in other areas, that we ignore the bad parts. It seems more like you have a double standard than me providing a false equivalency.

Your discussion of whether negative outcomes require a political solution or not is changing the subject. That has to do with whether the left's efforts to promote equality through political solutions would be considered appropriate or effective, which has nothing whatsoever to do with "equivalency" between right and left. This isn't a simply a matter of conservatives advocating for group A and liberals advocating for group B as you originally suggested. The fact is that the left advocates for those who don't have the lion's share of wealth or political power, while the right just wants the dominant group to maintain its wealth and power. There is no mirror equivalency here. It is a fundamental difference in core values. Whatever you think about which problems are appropriately addressed through public policy and which are not, there is no equivalency here.

I'm not strongly supportive of gun control BTW. I just found it ironic that the problem you identified for white men is something which between the two of us we could come up with two possible solutions, be they good ones or bad, and both were things pursued by the left, not the right.

 

[Jhhnn]

Like revealing the "truth" about what his birther investigators found.
Like revealing his tax returns.

Just two off the top of my head.

Or when Trump went to Mexico to convince them to agree to pay for the wall & acts like he did when they told him he was out of his mind, then waffles around in 15 directions.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

bwaahahahahahahaha
"Trump's daytime TV chat about health and wellness is a savvy political stunt. The New York Times called it a "match made on TV," describing Oz as a "kindred spirit — a physician who is not only Republican, but also has spent the last decade attracting an enormous following on television."

a charlatan promoting another charlatan, I am just shocked, shocked I tell you.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/14/media/dr-oz-donald-trump-taping/index.html

 

[Jhhnn]

Your discussion of whether negative outcomes require a political solution or not is changing the subject. That has to do with whether the left's efforts to promote equality through political solutions would be considered appropriate or effective, which has nothing whatsoever to do with "equivalency" between right and left. This isn't a simply a matter of conservatives advocating for group A and liberals advocating for group B as you originally suggested. The fact is that the left advocates for those who don't have the lion's share of wealth or political power, while the right just wants the dominant group to maintain its wealth and power. There is no mirror equivalency here. It is a fundamental difference in core values. Whatever you think about which problems are appropriately addressed through public policy and which are not, there is no equivalency here.

I'm not strongly supportive of gun control BTW. I just found it ironic that the problem you identified for white men is something which between the two of us we could come up with two possible solutions, be they good ones or bad, and both were things pursued by the left, not the right.

Agreed. I think part of the reason conservatives are so anxious about a minority/majority America is because they figure that white people will end up getting beaten with the same stick they've used on minorities for a very long time.

The answer is to put down the stick before we get there but their answer is just to beat harder.

 

[flexy]

This Dr. Oz?

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/13/8773695/AMA-dr-oz

Yup

And..by the way, his new medical record is written by the same moron like the previous one.

THERE IS NO CIRCUS IN THE WORLD THAT CAN TOP THIS, THIS IS ENTERTAINMENT TOTAL.
Right on the same level with Jerry Springer and your random reality TV show.
Entertainment for the (stupid) masses.

 

[TheGardener]

Yah her name is Hillary Rodham Clinton

On this I'll agree with you. Lindsay Graham and Mitt Romney are in her latest commercial. Not inconceivable that the Bush's are backing her too. Imagine voting for Clinton is like voting for George W Bush.

 

[IGBT]

Still wondering what's in that Hillary Crash Bag..and now this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...s-worried-about-hillarys-health-over-year-ago

Leaked Emails Show Colin Powell Was Worried About Hillary's Health Over A Year Ago
"She could barely climb the podium steps"... "On HDTV she does not look good"... hardly the "it's probably nothing" narrative the Clinton campaign would like America to believe.. and that was 18 months ago.

 

[realibrad]

Your discussion of whether negative outcomes require a political solution or not is changing the subject. That has to do with whether the left's efforts to promote equality through political solutions would be considered appropriate or effective, which has nothing whatsoever to do with "equivalency" between right and left. This isn't a simply a matter of conservatives advocating for group A and liberals advocating for group B as you originally suggested.

You say its not about A and B but then...

The fact is that the left advocates for those who don't have the lion's share of wealth or political power, while the right just wants the dominant group to maintain its wealth power. There is no mirror equivalency here.

Left advocates for those who are not in the top, call them group B, and the Right advocates for those currently in power, call them group A.

Group A has the majority of the top positions. Group B does not and the Left believes this is due to societies bias. The reason the Left believes there is a bias, is because they look at the outcomes that when compared to Group A are not as good. Now, if you follow the logic that outcomes when compared to other groups can show a problem, then that should also apply when Group A has outcomes not as good as Group B. In this case, Group A with a suicide rate higher than Group B should in theory show a bias. If your logic that those in power show a problem, then suicide should also show a problem. Yet, the left chooses to focus their energy on helping Group B with their specific issues. The Left currently is not about helping problems of groups they dont think deserve help. Look at how others on here responded when I pointed it out. I will give you credit that you did not do that, but Jhnn is squarely on the left and look at how he responds. It goes along with the idea of "punching up". Just because someone is a white male should not mean their suicide is more or less trivial which is what Jhnn was doing. If a black person is suffering, it should not be more or less important that they are black. Yet look at Jhnn.

That said, the point was that we see targeted solutions for minorities because that is a group that the left advocates for, and the right which promotes policies that help white men but not explicitly intended.

It is a fundamental difference in core values. Whatever you think about which problems are appropriately addressed through public policy and which are not, there is no equivalency here.

I'm not strongly supportive of gun control BTW. I just found it ironic that the problem you identified for white men is something which between the two of us we could come up with two possible solutions, be they good ones or bad, and both were things pursued by the left, not the right.

The point was not that we could not come up with ideas. I would not call them solutions because they may not work. But, the point is that gun control is not advocated for to help reduce the deaths of white males, its argument is something totally different. Again, the left does not attempt to help white males. Before we go longer into a long drawn out conversation, look at how this started. I point out that white males have something that afflicts more than other groups, and I got this as a response.

"You poor thing!

How is it that you've determined that the privilege of being a straight white male is some sort of disadvantage in this country?"

Again, I'm making the comparison to make it seem like the Right is good, just that the Left and Right both care about their ingroup and not everyone.

 

[emperus]

Still wondering what's in that Hillary Crash Bag..and now this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...s-worried-about-hillarys-health-over-year-ago

Leaked Emails Show Colin Powell Was Worried About Hillary's Health Over A Year Ago
"She could barely climb the podium steps"... "On HDTV she does not look good"... hardly the "it's probably nothing" narrative the Clinton campaign would like America to believe.. and that was 18 months ago.

Is this a new low for the Republican party? Every year, how low they sink is surprising even to me. Last year was Obama and his birth certificate, this year is Clinton and her health. Facts don't seem to matter, just innuendo and the inability to rationalize things. Let me remind you, TRUMP is OLDER than CLINTON, ,is overweight, eats unhealthy, his dad had Alzheimer and refuses to release his Medical History. They are both old, Trump being older, but somehow you believe TRUMP's health is markedly better than Clinton's. Let me ask you what do base that on?

 

[flexy]

Is this a new low for the Republican party? Every year, how low they sink is surprising even to me. Last year was Obama and his birth certificate, this year is Clinton and her health. Facts don't seem to matter, just innuendo and the inability to rationalize things. Let me remind you, TRUMP is OLDER than CLINTON, ,is overweight, eats unhealthy, his dad had Alzheimer and refuses to release his Medical History. They are bold old, Trump being older, but somehow you believe TRUMP's health is remarkedly better than Clinton's. Let me ask you what do base that on?

If you think this is low: We haven't seen ANYTHING yet.

Wait 'til November 8 when Trump loses. We will witness the dirtiest campaign of lies, accusations and nuttery which will make birtherism and healtherism look pale in comparison. Mark my words, all hell will break lose from Nov 8. It will be "shit throwing" on an entirely new level, thanks to the help of experts like the Breitbart CEO.

As I mentioned already a few times, Trump and supporters WON'T accept a loss. THIS IS A GIVEN. This fact alone makes this entire election cycle a farce. Unless Trump exits the race early under some fake pretenses ("voter fraud" etc.), prepare for insanity x9000 comes November 8th. I fear (I really fear) that most people and the media are not realizing what they're in for.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Is this a new low for the Republican party? Every year, how low they sink is surprising even to me. Last year was Obama and his birth certificate, this year is Clinton and her health. Facts don't seem to matter, just innuendo and the inability to rationalize things. Let me remind you, TRUMP is OLDER than CLINTON, ,is overweight, eats unhealthy, his dad had Alzheimer and refuses to release his Medical History. They are bold old, Trump being older, but somehow you believe TRUMP's health is remarkedly better than Clinton's. Let me ask you what do base that on?

When Trump passes out on the campaign trail, his health will be of equivalent concern.

 

[agent00f]

It is a matter of honesty.

If Hillary is indeed ill, which she is we all saw the video, then Hillary has been lying to the nation. What else has she lied about? Hillary lying about her health undermines everything she has ever said or done while in public office.

You guys should've quit when found to be accidentally correct by accusing her of everything but cancer and turns out she was "ill". Now the additional conspiracies about "fat ss agent as doctor" just demonstrates how accidental that was.

Accusing people of completely unsubstantiated rumors is something sane folks consider "lying".

 

[Kazukian]

You guys should've quit when found to be accidentally correct by accusing her of everything but cancer and turns out she was "ill". Now the additional conspiracies about "fat ss agent as doctor" just demonstrates how accidental that was.

Accusing people of completely unsubstantiated rumors is something sane folks consider "lying".

So her previous doctor lied too?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-travel-plain-clothes-administer-drugs.html

 

[agent00f]

So her previous doctor lied too?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-travel-plain-clothes-administer-drugs.html

Try to construct an argument instead of just linking your daily hate, thinking is a common prescription for right wing fanaticism.

 

[Kazukian]

Try to construct an argument instead of just linking your daily hate, thinking is a common prescription for right wing fanaticism.

here's some thinking: Hillary has a history of not being honest about anything, if she'd open up a bit, people would trust her a lot more. Her default is to not be truthful until cornered and caught on videotape, and even then, she or her campaign staff seem to be incapable of being honest about much of anything, she needs to change, everyone has a camera nowadays, and everything is videotaped, especially if you're a public persona.

At the least, they shouldn't say anything till they've looked at the optics, and if they're busted, apologize, the public hates cover ups. They can tolerate silence and then an apology.

And don't give me a "But Trump" response, he has no chance to win, I want to be able to trust the next POTUS.

 

[soundforbjt]

So her previous doctor lied too?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-travel-plain-clothes-administer-drugs.html

Seems this former Whitehouse Dr. is famous for this stuff...also looks to be a republican.

SEA GIRT, N.J. — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is lashing out at a former White House doctor who said she worries about the governor dying in office because he is so heavy.

Former White House physician Connie Mariano made the comment in an interview with CNN. The Scottsdale, Ariz., doctor says she’d like to see Christie run for president in 2016 but that he needs to lose weight. She worries he could have a heart attack or stroke and expressed her concern about the governor “dying in office.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06/chris-christie-connie-mariano_n_2631944.html

 

[agent00f]

here's some thinking: Hillary has a history of not being honest about anything, if she'd open up a bit, people would trust her a lot more. Her default is to not be truthful until cornered and caught on videotape, and even then, she or her campaign staff seem to be incapable of being honest about much of anything, she needs to change, everyone has a camera nowadays, and everything is videotaped, especially if you're a public persona.

At the least, they shouldn't say anything till they've looked at the optics, and if they're busted, apologize, the public hates cover ups. They can tolerate silence and then an apology.

And don't give me a "But Trump" response, he has no chance to win, I want to be able to trust the next POTUS.

If you read your own link, it says she kept silent at the time then talked about it in her book, similar to what's happening now. Appears she kinda sucks at lying by your own standards.

 

[Kazukian]

If you read your own link, it says she kept silent at the time then talked about it in her book, similar to what's happening now. Appears she kinda sucks at lying by your own standards.

I give up, you want to spin and cover up what her campaign did, more power to you.

 

[agent00f]

I give up, you want to spin and cover up what her campaign did, more power to you.

I'll charitably assume by "spin" you mean "read the article", and by "cover up" you mean "point to basic facts in said article". Or maybe you were just being ironic, hard to tell due to Poe's Law.

 

[Kazukian]

Guess I was wrong, she has the flu.