Hillary faints @ ground zero?

[theeedude]

The issue is the double standard applied to Powell and Clinton, not just on emails, but also on foundations.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The issue is the double standard applied to Powell and Clinton, not just on emails, but also on foundations.

Is Powell running for President?

 

[woolfe9998]

If your argument is that a bad statistical outcome does not require action then I would agree. The argument being made about other groups is that they need help because of the outcomes they often find themselves in. If a black person is poor, its not because of their choices, its the system they operate in. If a minority of any group falls into something that is not as good, they need help.

Often its political methods to correct a problem for minorities. So in that sense it is not the same, but, if the logic is that a group is having negative outcomes then why would it not trigger focus?

A solution would be mental health outreach and not just gun regulation. No doubt that suicide is made much easier by guns, but there are many other options. Taking away the tool does not stop the desire.

If you believe gun regulation would reduce the problem, then why would you need another policy suggestion to disprove the false equivalency? You already gave a policy option did you not?

What you originally said was this:

Sadly true. Its also Sadly true that the Left is not so different. They also want to protect the "right" people. White Fucking Males are not to be protected that is for sure. Its really hard not to find equivalency here. I really dont see either party as being good, just one is less bad right now.

You see an equivalency between left and right because while the right isn't interested in protecting (i.e. advocating for the interests of) minorities, the left isn't interested in advocating for white men.

White men have the vast majority of wealth and power in this country. 80% of Congress is white, and 80% are male. 43 of 44 POTUSES have been both white and male, so far zero female. AFAIK the vast majority of American billionaires are white and male, as are the majority of corporate CEO's. That is wealth and power.

So let me ask you, do white males need political advocacy to the same extent as non-whites and females?

You came up with a couple areas which you suggest indicate that white males are disadvantaged. A higher suicide rate being one. But that is quite ironic, since the only two policy positions either of us can come up with to mitigate that problem - gun control and mental health programs - both are things that liberals advocate for, not conservatives. When was the last time a conservative advocated for gun control or increased funding for mental health programs?

So far as conservatives wanting to protect white males, their protection isn't direct action to address an issue like suicide, but rather to oppose the left's attempts to promote equality for non-whites and females. In other words, they are trying to conserve the power and wealth advantage of white males.

Feel free to agree or disagree with any of what the left or right is doing. Much of what the left does to protect minorities and women may be wrong headed, ineffective, or even counter-productive. But your equivalency makes no sense.

 

[JSt0rm]

Low end white makes think being white and a male are some kind of accomplishment. They need to protect this.

 

[agent00f]

Frankly I don't even know how this is an issue. If she conks over Kaine is going to get her votes plus probably some sympathy ones as well to run her agenda, esp once trumps starts dancing over her grave. If she somehow miraculously pulls through, then nobody can complain it was god's will for her to be president.

 

[pcgeek11]

You just keep hoping for the good news...lol! I had pneumonia three years ago and yes, you can get short of breath and dizzy. In fact I had no idea that I had caught it until I coughed up blood. That can be a bit disconcerting, let me tell you.

Somehow I survived and I'm sure that she will too.

The cancer then. They should have u wait at the hospital doors and diagnose everyone who walks in. Saves time and money.

I'm not hoping for anything. You are twisting my post into something it isn't. I figured you being a Dr and all you would have known you had pneumonia before you were coughing up blood.

I'm not a doctor why would I diagnose anyone. From what I saw in the video she was unconscious and they dragged her into the van. Looked like she was hit with a baseball bat the way she went down.

Statement from Bill seems to say this happens frequently... or not ...

“She’s been well, if it is it’s a mystery to me and all of her doctors, because frequently, not frequently, rarely, but on more than one occasion, over the last many, many years, the same sort of thing has happened to her where she got severely dehydrated,” the former president said of Hillary Clinton, who is seeking the office he once held.

Well Bill which is it frequently, not frequently or rarely?

 

[pcgeek11]

Love the glasses.
Now wouldn't we all want a president that looks this cool?

So that is your definition of cool?

I am sorry.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm not hoping for anything. You are twisting my post into something it isn't.

No one has to twist your posts, they pretty much reflect you just fine.

Keep on spewing.

 

[pcgeek11]

No one has to twist your posts, they pretty much reflect you just fine.

Keep on spewing.

Thanks for that awe inspiring post. Still attemptinig to bait me I see.

It isn't working. Quit wasting your time.

 

[boomerang]

The Clinton campaign excels at mishandling the truth.

And the lies as well.

 

[boomerang]

What in Trump's pre-campaign history would make you believe anything he says?

Even assuming we suspend belief, he gets visa hires and cheap foreign manufacturing labor for his own businesses. Dude's a billionaire; if he's not willing to accept lower profit for himself, then obviously his professed beliefs are extremely shallow compared to his self-interest.

Here's my answer. As of today, I am still able to choose how thick a shit sandwich I get to bite into. Trump's is manageable, Hillary's is a mile high. I'm not sitting this one out and I'm not voting for Gary Johnson. I still have a choice and I am going to exercise it.

Here's how it's going to shake out. Assuming Hillary is still in the running the electoral college will make her POTUS. We'll have our first president voted into office with Parkinson's. (Yup, I said it, IMO that's what she's got. My BIL has it and the signs I see in her are the same.) If you think the U.S. appears weak to the world now after eight years of Obama bowing and disparaging the U.S. and its people, wait until the predator nations of the world see a woman (which none of the Islamic nations have any respect for at all) who is sick and couldn't project a position of strength if she wanted to. And she's already told them that boots on the ground ain't gonna happen on her watch. What a highly intelligent position that is to use as a basis for negotiations. She's already told the world that she's as dumb as Obama.

On the home front, it will be tax and then spend to buy more votes to seal the deal. LBJ started it, Obama intensified it and Hillary will finish it. The dumbasses our educational system have cranked out (many of them here, BTW) think that the rich are going to pay for all of that. People with even a bit of intellectual capacity know that this means an enormous further eroding of the middle class. There isn't enough money to be taken from the rich to even make a minor dent in funding it all. The dependent class will grow to ensure Dem victories from now until the system collapses. When you've got a political party whose ideological position is based upon their proclamation that they are the ones looking out for the downtrodden and will make it all better, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to understand that it is in the best interest of that political party to perpetuate the dependency. If they fixed it, they wouldn't be needed. They haven't yet, just what is it that they are waiting for? Oh, and we're at $20T, where will that end up?

Meanwhile, our porous borders will remain open by design in the quest for, you guessed it, still more votes. It ain't just the poor from latin america streaming over, there are people that want to bring our nation down because their god tells them to do so. But there I am peeking over the top of that basket marked "deplorable" again.

Which one will use the IRS as a political weapon? Maybe both. But if Trump is going to do so, I say let's see if the goose likes it when it experiences what it's been doing to the gander. Same with the DOJ, the FBI and the State Department and every other agency that under Obama have become political arms of the DNC. I want that apple cart upset and in a big way.

Lastly, self-interest. I have self-interest myself and I've got it bad. I learned a long time ago that the only one I could count on to look out for me was, me. So both candidates have self-interest. I can relate. Which one has put the hot poker up my ass the farthest? That answer is an easy one for me. One has been in the political arena in one form or another for many decades. I know her M.O. as a politician. The other one may turn out to be as bad or worse. So, it's the screwin' I know I'll get versus the screwin' I might get. That's not a difficult decision for me.

I'm going wrap it up with this. I am sorry to see that you have jumped on the "fairness" bandwagon yet again. It doesn't suit the werepossum you used to be. Life ain't fair, you know that but for some reason you're choosing to pretend that's not the case. I hope whatever is eating at you resolves itself.

 

[JSt0rm]

Here's my answer. As of today, I am still able to choose how thick a shit sandwich I get to bite into. Trump's is manageable, Hillary's is a mile high. I'm not sitting this one out and I'm not voting for Gary Johnson. I still have a choice and I am going to exercise it.

Here's how it's going to shake out. Assuming Hillary is still in the running the electoral college will make her POTUS. We'll have our first president voted into office with Parkinson's. (Yup, I said it, IMO that's what she's got. My BIL has it and the signs I see in her are the same.) If you think the U.S. appears weak to the world now after eight years of Obama bowing and disparaging the U.S. and its people, wait until the predator nations of the world see a woman (which none of the Islamic nations have any respect for at all) who is sick and couldn't project a position of strength if she wanted to. And she's already told them that boots on the ground ain't gonna happen on her watch. What a highly intelligent position that is to use as a basis for negotiations. She's already told the world that she's as dumb as Obama.

On the home front, it will be tax and then spend to buy more votes to seal the deal. LBJ started it, Obama intensified it and Hillary will finish it. The dumbasses our educational system have cranked out (many of them here, BTW) think that the rich are going to pay for all of that. People with even a bit of intellectual capacity know that this means an enormous further eroding of the middle class. There isn't enough money to be taken from the rich to even make a minor dent in funding it all. The dependent class will grow to ensure Dem victories from now until the system collapses. When you've got a political party whose ideological position is based upon their proclamation that they are the ones looking out for the downtrodden and will make it all better, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to understand that it is in the best interest of that political party to perpetuate the dependency. If they fixed it, they wouldn't be needed. They haven't yet, just what is it that they are waiting for? Oh, and we're at $20T, where will that end up?

Meanwhile, our porous borders will remain open by design in the quest for, you guessed it, still more votes. It ain't just the poor from latin america streaming over, there are people that want to bring our nation down because their god tells them to do so. But there I am peeking over the top of that basket marked "deplorable" again.

Which one will use the IRS as a political weapon? Maybe both. But if Trump is going to do so, I say let's see if the goose likes it when it experiences what it's been doing to the gander. Same with the DOJ, the FBI and the State Department and every other agency that under Obama have become political arms of the DNC. I want that apple cart upset and in a big way.

Lastly, self-interest. I have self-interest myself and I've got it bad. I learned a long time ago that the only one I could count on to look out for me was, me. So both candidates have self-interest. I can relate. Which one has put the hot poker up my ass the farthest? That answer is an easy one for me. One has been in the political arena in one form or another for many decades. I know her M.O. as a politician. The other one may turn out to be as bad or worse. So, it's the screwin' I know I'll get versus the screwin' I might get. That's not a difficult decision for me.

I'm going wrap it up with this. I am sorry to see that you have jumped on the "fairness" bandwagon yet again. It doesn't suit the werepossum you used to be. Life ain't fair, you know that but for some reason you're choosing to pretend that's not the case. I hope whatever is eating at you resolves itself.

wall of text does 4dx8

 

[Texashiker]

Frankly I don't even know how this is an issue. If she conks over Kaine is going to get her votes plus probably some sympathy ones as well to run her agenda, esp once trumps starts dancing over her grave. If she somehow miraculously pulls through, then nobody can complain it was god's will for her to be president.

It is a matter of honesty.

If Hillary is indeed ill, which she is we all saw the video, then Hillary has been lying to the nation. What else has she lied about? Hillary lying about her health undermines everything she has ever said or done while in public office.

 

[realibrad]

What you originally said was this:



You see an equivalency between left and right because while the right isn't interested in protecting (i.e. advocating for the interests of) minorities, the left isn't interested in advocating for white men.

White men have the vast majority of wealth and power in this country. 80% of Congress is white, and 80% are male. 43 of 44 POTUSES have been both white and male, so far zero female. AFAIK the vast majority of American billionaires are white and male, as are the majority of corporate CEO's. That is wealth and power.

So let me ask you, do white males need political advocacy to the same extent as non-whites and females?

You came up with a couple areas which you suggest indicate that white males are disadvantaged. A higher suicide rate being one. But that is quite ironic, since the only two policy positions either of us can come up with to mitigate that problem - gun control and mental health programs - both are things that liberals advocate for, not conservatives. When was the last time a conservative advocated for gun control or increased funding for mental health programs?

So far as conservatives wanting to protect white males, their protection isn't direct action to address an issue like suicide, but rather to oppose the left's attempts to promote equality for non-whites and females. In other words, they are trying to conserve the power and wealth advantage of white males.

Feel free to agree or disagree with any of what the left or right is doing. Much of what the left does to protect minorities and women may be wrong headed, ineffective, or even counter-productive. But your equivalency makes no sense.

Assuming your premise of political advocacy, then yes white males should get some political advocacy as admitted by you. When I suggested mental health programs it too was under the presupposition that government needed to step in. I don't think the government should get into trying to correct cultural problems. You suggested gun regulation and I gave a better government solution for the reasons I provided. I was not agreeing that we needed to have a political solution.

Next is promoting equality, which I believe neither side does. The Left promotes equal outcomes, while the says they are for egalitarian which is often bull shit. This is why I consider myself more of a left person, because at least the left has their hart in the right place. The right pretends to care, but its generally not true.

But back to the false equivalency claim. If you believe that the negative outcomes for minorities should have the government get involved, then logically you should also get involved in the non minorities outcomes. You seem to be saying that because whites have it so good in other areas, that we ignore the bad parts. It seems more like you have a double standard than me providing a false equivalency.

 

[realibrad]

I would think the underclass with little to live for.

You think but you dont know? What are the qualifications that put someone in this underclass?

 

[JSt0rm]

It is a matter of honesty.

If Hillary is indeed ill, which she is we all saw the video, then Hillary has been lying to the nation. What else has she lied about? Hillary lying about her health undermines everything she has ever said or done while in public office.

you puppet mastered me into not voting for Hillary. oh wait no you didnt.

 

[Texashiker]

you puppet mastered me into not voting for Hillary. oh wait no you didnt.

Why would anyone vote for hillary? You do not have to answer that question.

Of all the lies she has told her health should be the most important. If she is passing out, she is not fit to be president.

Hillary does not give a damn about what is best for the nation.

 

[Jhhnn]

It is a matter of honesty.

If Hillary is indeed ill, which she is we all saw the video, then Hillary has been lying to the nation. What else has she lied about? Hillary lying about her health undermines everything she has ever said or done while in public office.

Pure sleaze. If she'd cancelled her appearance at the memorial, the shit slinging would be just as bad, up to & including the idea that lizard people can't go out in public when they're molting.

Knowing that & feeling like crap because of pneumonia, she braves it & ends up woozy, standing up with all her might in an attempt to get thru it.

The reaction from her detractors shows that they abandoned common decency a long time ago.

 

[realibrad]

Why would anyone vote for hillary? You do not have to answer that question.

Of all the lies she has told her health should be the most important. If she is passing out, she is not fit to be president.

Hillary does not give a damn about what is best for the nation.

Just look at the alternative. Someone who in your mind could die and leave it to a VP, or Trump who might live and do some really dumb shit. Dead Hillary > Alive Trump

 

[sportage]

Speaking of health....
Trump just announced he WILL NOT divulge any of his health details or lab results during his meeting with DR OZ.
Which leads me to believe what I have expected all along.
Donad Trump is actually inhuman. Trump is a robot. The real Manchurian candidate. Not of this earth.
His hair are actual strans of antenni. Hard wired to little transmitters within his tiny hands.
Holding his thumb in the air transmits full power directly to his home planet somewhere beyond
our solar system.
Once Trump is elected, he will summon his home planet to begin their attack.
Like a swarm of flies, his alien force will surround the earth, capturing all earths residents including Muslims and Hispanics, placing the captured within a huge massive wall (yes, there is where the wall comes in) and one by one we the people of earth will be placed in giant microwave ovens and served as appetizers to the inhabitants of planet Trump.
And poor Mike Pence.... He will be first served up on the menu.

 

[nageov3t]

as an overweight 70 year-old man who has admitted that he doesn't exercise and eats fast food all the time, it would stun me if Trump didn't have heart issues and/or diabetes.

 

[Pens1566]

as an overweight 70 year-old man who has admitted that he doesn't exercise and eats fast food all the time, it would stun me if Trump didn't have heart issues and/or diabetes.

I'd be shocked if he was actually healthier than Clinton.

 

[Texashiker]

Just look at the alternative. Someone who in your mind could die and leave it to a VP, or Trump who might live and do some really dumb shit. Dead Hillary > Alive Trump

I do not understand why there is so much dislike for trump. He is not all those bad things people say he is.

as an overweight 70 year-old man who has admitted that he doesn't exercise and eats fast food all the time, it would stun me if Trump didn't have heart issues and/or diabetes.

Probably still in better health than hillary.

 

[nageov3t]

Probably still in better health than hillary.

they'd both be among the oldest Presidents ever elected and probably have loads of health problems.

all things being equal, though, I'd take Kaine taking over as President rather than Mike "Pray Away the Gay" Pence any day.

 

[fskimospy]

I do not understand why there is so much dislike for trump. He is not all those bad things people say he is.

I don't know if you missed this thread, but he took an opportunity on 9/11, shortly after the attacks that killed 3,000 people had happened, to brag about how now that the twin towers had been destroyed he had the tallest building in the city. Not only is that something that only a psychopath would say at that time, it wasn't even true.

On top of that you could pile his pathological lying, the erratic and juvenile behavior, the tax plan he has that would screw over ordinary working people in order to give money to the super rich, his plans to invade Syria and start a war with Iran, etc.

Those all sound like good reasons not to like someone, no?

Probably still in better health than hillary.

I guess we'll never know as he just flip-flopped on releasing his medical records. After saying he was going to release them he's backtracked. Why do you think he did that? Do you think he's attempting to cover up a serious illness? If not, why wouldn't he release them?