Hillary faints @ ground zero?

[Jhhnn]

Source: I live there and I was outside.
The chart from your link shows it was high 70s low 80s. That is cool for late summer in NYC, especially given how hot it was in recent weeks/days.

The link also shows that it was warmer than average on that date, contrary to your assertions.

 

[woolfe9998]

Dude, thy link is strong and composed of that which promotes growth in plants. I suspect that page was created within the last five days.
http://www.medicinenet.com/is_pneumonia_contagious/article.htm


http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1069.aspx?CategoryID=69

There seems to be some disagreement among sources. Here's what Fox News has to say:

Bardack neither revealed what type of pneumonia Clinton has, nor did she clarify whether it was a bacterial or viral infection of the lungs. Bacterial infections are not contagious, while viral infections are.

From what I've read, the online sources are about a 50/50 split. I suspect the correct answer is that bacterial pneumonias are technically contagious but exceedingly difficult to actually transmit.

The key point in all of this being that the doctor likely did not tell Clinton that what she had was contagious. She might have even told her to not worry about it. It's what the doc told my mother when she had it back in June.

 

[JSt0rm]

the neocons were literally running with "Hillary wants to infect babies with pneumonia" as a reason not to vote for her. just lol. puppetmasters.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The link also shows that it was warmer than average on that date, contrary to your assertions.

How many other people passed out from heat exhaustion at the event?

 

[Pens1566]

How many other people passed out from heat exhaustion at the event?

There was at least a quote from one other congressman that it was so muggy he sweat through his shirt/jacket.

 

[mikeymikec]

How many other people passed out from heat exhaustion at the event?

My guess is that there were probably not that many elderly people also present who happened to be consistently over-exerting themselves lately and found the temps/humidity to be a bit much.

Also, something tells me that "a few elderly people found NY temps to be a bit much" is hardly newsflash material.

 

[mikeymikec]

Has anyone considered the flipside conspiracy theory, that Hillary is coordinating this health scare to draw attention away from the real issues, such as presidential candidates' policies? After all, Trump's are so well-thought-out that she's bound to feel threatened by it and his supreme alpha-ness.

 

[abj13]

From what I've read, the online sources are about a 50/50 split. I suspect the correct answer is that bacterial pneumonias are technically contagious but exceedingly difficult to actually transmit.

The key point in all of this being that the doctor likely did not tell Clinton that what she had was contagious. She might have even told her to not worry about it. It's what the doc told my mother when she had it back in June.

Clinton has a lobar pneumonia. The most common bacteria that cause that type of pneumonia are all part of the normal human bacterial flora that lives in the airway. None of them are contagious in the sense that if she were to cough on someone, they would get pneumonia. People seem to think the contagiousness of tuberculosis is applicable to other causes of pneumonia. It is not (and for the nutters, she does not have TB since she is not receiving the four drug regimen for it). If she had a preceding viral infection that predisposed her to getting pneumonia (this time of year it is typically rhinovirus/enterovirus, ie the common cold), the virus could be contagious but that would be before the onset of the pneumonia.

As part of the CDC recommendations, any patient admitted to the hospital with bacterial pneumonia (even if the pathogen is unknown) or viral pneumonia are placed on standard precautions, meaning nobody has to wear a mask, gown or gloves to see the patient. Even in viral pneumonia, adults shed much lower quantities of virus that children. Kids really are the transmission vector of so many illnesses.
http://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/2007ip/2007ip_appenda.html

 

[realibrad]

Clinton has a lobar pneumonia. The most common bacteria that cause that type of pneumonia are all part of the normal human bacterial flora that lives in the airway. None of them are contagious in the sense that if she were to cough on someone, they would get pneumonia. People seem to think the contagiousness of tuberculosis is applicable to other causes of pneumonia. It is not (and for the nutters, she does not have TB since she is not receiving the four drug regimen for it). If she had a preceding viral infection that predisposed her to getting pneumonia (this time of year it is typically rhinovirus/enterovirus, ie the common cold), the virus could be contagious but that would be before the onset of the pneumonia.

As part of the CDC recommendations, any patient admitted to the hospital with bacterial pneumonia (even if the pathogen is unknown) or viral pneumonia are placed on standard precautions, meaning nobody has to wear a mask, gown or gloves to see the patient. Even in viral pneumonia, adults shed much lower quantities of virus that children. Kids really are the transmission vector of so many illnesses.
http://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/2007ip/2007ip_appenda.html

Which is why I have been calling to have kids removed for years. We should do super good background checks, the best even, to make sure we are letting in the kids we want.

 

[Starbuck1975]

My guess is that there were probably not that many elderly people also present who happened to be consistently over-exerting themselves lately and found the temps/humidity to be a bit much.

Also, something tells me that "a few elderly people found NY temps to be a bit much" is hardly newsflash material.

There is a guy in my office that sweats through his shirts simply from breathing.

I've also seen 18 year old privates in prime shape pass out simply from locking their knees or not drinking enough water in high heat/humidity conditions, so it's not totally a function of age.

 

[Kazukian]

I'm loving the body double stuff, LOL.

 

[dainthomas]

There is a guy in my office that sweats through his shirts simply from breathing.

I've also seen 18 year old privates in prime shape pass out simply from locking their knees or not drinking enough water in high heat/humidity conditions, so it's not totally a function of age.

Used to happen in boot camp quite a bit. It's bizarre watching someone bounce their face off the ground with their hands behind their back. When they got back from sick bay they'd get their butts chewed for locking their knees and/or not drinking enough water.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm loving the body double stuff, LOL.

That is the one conspiracy theory I want to be true just because it is like 10 kinds of awesome.

 

[Kazukian]

That is the one conspiracy theory I want to be true just because it is like 10 kinds of awesome.

If I was one of the most powerful people in the world I'd have several, TBH.

 

[werepossum]

Drudge was playing up Clinton's health weeks before her collapse.
The glasses, the handlers, the weakness, the coughing.
A year ago she struggled on stairs. There's nothing nutter about adding up the facts.

Depends on the sum one calculates.

Source: I live there and I was outside.
The chart from your link shows it was high 70s low 80s. That is cool for late summer in NYC, especially given how hot it was in recent weeks/days.

Agreed, but maybe not for an elderly woman with compromised health forced to wear a vest under her street clothes.

Which is why I have been calling to have kids removed for years. We should do super good background checks, the best even, to make sure we are letting in the kids we want.

lmao! +1

 

[agent00f]

That is the one conspiracy theory I want to be true just because it is like 10 kinds of awesome.

How does it feel to be on the same side of history as these people?

 

[Starbuck1975]

How does it feel to be on the same side of history as these people?

Depends on who ends up writing the history, and who subsequently ends up rewriting it. We are all on the same side of history until we die, after which point we are on the other side of it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Depends on who ends up writing the history, and who subsequently ends up rewriting it. We are all on the same side of history until we die, after which point we are on the other side of it.

Goering was right when he said that the winners write the history. The larger issue is where we want to go & who we want to write that history. Will it be an astounding conman leading the deplorables, or not?

Do we have the moral & intellectual courage to denounce & reject fear & bigotry as guiding principles, or not?

I think we do, despite decades of divisive right wing wedge issues & agitprop.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Goering was right when he said that the winners write the history. The larger issue is where we want to go & who we want to write that history. Will it be an astounding conman leading the deplorables, or not?

Do we have the moral & intellectual courage to denounce & reject fear & bigotry as guiding principles, or not?

I think we do, despite decades of divisive right wing wedge issues & agitprop.

This is thoughtful response. Replace "divisive right wing" with "partisan" issues and I am in complete agreement

 

[agent00f]

Depends on who ends up writing the history, and who subsequently ends up rewriting it. We are all on the same side of history until we die, after which point we are on the other side of it.

I think it's assume that the party whose demographics reflects the past & nearly dead won't be writing the future anytime soon, though they do seem rather fond of revising what happened in the past surrounding slavery/segregation & such. What's written by scholars who study history professionally hasn't been kind to them, and my question is whether how they're being remembered suits you.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is thoughtful response. Replace "divisive right wing" with "partisan" issues and I am in complete agreement

So, "they're just as bad", or what?

 

[Starbuck1975]

I think it's assume that the party whose demographics reflects the past & nearly dead won't be writing the future anytime soon, though they do seem rather fond of revising what happened in the past surrounding slavery/segregation & such. What's written by scholars who study history professionally hasn't been kind to them, and my question is whether how they're being remembered suits you.

Yet manifest destiny gets a pass. History is relative. I am still not sure who this "them" is you keep referring to.

 

[agent00f]

Yet manifest destiny gets a pass. History is relative. I am still not sure who this "them" is you keep referring to.

No, how history remembers the klan and presumably any party whose caters to and ideology is otherwise similarly aligned is pretty clear. Unless by relative you mean it's not quite at the level of the nazis.

 

[Starbuck1975]

No, how history remembers the klan and presumably any party whose caters to and ideology is otherwise similarly aligned is pretty clear. Unless by relative you mean it's not quite at the level of the nazis.

The Klan? Seriously? The Klan is a pimple on the ass of history, and has zero political influence in modern society. I don't hear Trump advocating for lynching or white supremacy. I do hear Trump playing to fear driven prejudices, but I recall Clinton doing much of the same when Obama pulled ahead of her. I dismiss the Klan much as I dismiss anarchists, communists or black panther militants as representative of liberals,

 

[Jhhnn]

I do hear Trump playing to fear driven prejudices, but I recall Clinton doing much of the same when Obama pulled ahead of her.

How, exactly?