Hillary Clinton is right!!!

glenn1

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No, i've not lost my mind. She's right on this one issue... who'd have thunk it?

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Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is joining the growing effort to get rid of the backlog of DNA samples that could be used to track and convict rapists but instead are sitting useless on shelves in law enforcement offices across the country.

Senator Clinton has introduced legislation that would provide federal money to help pay for the analysis of DNA samples in as many as 500,000 packages of evidence commonly known as rape kits. Similar legislation has been introduced in the House by Representative Jerrold Nadler.

Two weeks ago I wrote about the case of Debbie Smith, a woman in Williamsburg, Va., who was accosted in her home by an intruder in 1989. She was forced to go into the woods behind her house, where she was raped. Ms. Smith was blindfolded during the attack, but the DNA sample that was taken at a local hospital led to the rapist's arrest and conviction.

The problem in that case was that six and a half years elapsed before the DNA evidence was connected to the rapist. Because of a backlog, it took more than a year just to get the DNA analyzed. And then, because of a lack of systematic procedures for the handling of DNA evidence, five more years passed before a match was made.

It turned out that the rapist had been in prison for another crime during most of the six-and-a-half-year period. During that entire time Ms. Smith lived with the fear that the rapist would return and attack her again.

"The evidence was right there," she told me. "But the case took six long years. And other cases aren't solved at all. I'm speaking out because I hope somehow it will help to make other women safer."

Similar delays in the processing and handling of DNA evidence continue to this day. The delays are a boon to rapists and a nightmare to those victims ? nobody knows how many ? who would have been spared if DNA evidence had been used in a timely way to get their attackers off the streets. In some instances the rape kits sit on shelves, with the DNA unprocessed, until the statute of limitations runs out.

In an interview on Friday, Mrs. Clinton noted that according to Department of Justice statistics, "Every two minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted."

She said that to ignore valuable evidence against rapists because of a lack of money is "just unacceptable." The legislation that she and Representative Nadler have introduced would provide what it describes as "adequate funding to ensure that the backlog of unanalyzed rape kits is eliminated."

"We've had a steep increase in the number of reported rapes here in New York City," Mrs. Clinton said, "and that is being mirrored in other places across the nation. It is now apparent that unless we process this information and start putting it to use, we are likely to see people who are serial rapists continue their crimes when we could have apprehended them before they could strike again."

This is the latest effort in a national movement to bring a greater degree of funding and professionalism to the collection and processing of DNA evidence in rape cases.

Delays in DNA processing are not the only problem. In many cases rape kits are sloppily or improperly handled, and thus prove useless even after they are analyzed. Most rape victims never see a trained examiner after the attack. And in a large percentage of cases where DNA evidence is collected by untrained examiners, it ends up being declared inadmissible in court.

Legislation introduced recently in the House by Carolyn Maloney of New York and Mark Green of Wisconsin, and in the Senate by Maria Cantwell of Washington, would bring about improvements in these areas. Among other things, the legislation, which is named after Debbie Smith, would provide funds to train personnel throughout the U.S. in the proper collection and handling of DNA evidence. And it would standardize the evidence kits in sexual assault cases, making it easier to enter the information into state and national databases.

Mrs. Clinton said on Friday that she had become a co-sponsor of that legislation as well. "There are lots of problems we have today in law enforcement," she said. "With terrorism we are faced with difficult challenges. But this is a solvable problem. We shouldn't go another year without dealing with it."





 

Ulfwald

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I can see her point, but this also may be a way of processing DNA samples just so the fed government can start building a database of DNA samples on people.
 

ElFenix

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rapists, let the gov't build a database of them. bastards.
 

yakko

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<< this also may be a way of processing DNA samples just so the fed government can start building a database of DNA samples on people. >>

Once you comit a crime like that you should be tracked.
 

Tominator

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Testing every person accused of rape would bankrupt the country!

Violent crimes are at all time lows....Government run amuck.....:disgust:
 

HappyPuppy

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And the next step is to take a blood sample from every baby born in the U.S. at birth to be indexed and categorized in to the national DNA database. Sorry, I don't trust anything that b!tch says or does.
 

Ulfwald

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<< And the next step is to take a blood sample from every baby born in the U.S. at birth to be indexed and categorized in to the national DNA database. Sorry, I don't trust anything that b!tch says or does. >>



BINGO!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

woodie1

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Sounds like another way for the government to keep an eye on us all.

Think what the insurance industry could do with this data.
 

Moonbeam

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Real DNA testing will happen when we design it to create a super race. Imagine a world where the average IQ was two hundred and everybody is lean mean beautiful and lives for hundreds of years.
 

gopunk

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<< Real DNA testing will happen when we design it to create a super race. Imagine a world where the average IQ was two hundred and everybody is lean mean beautiful and lives for hundreds of years. >>



i hope that never happens. not because of any moral or ethical beliefs on my part. but because i would be jealous.
 

gopunk

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<< And the next step is to take a blood sample from every baby born in the U.S. at birth to be indexed and categorized in to the national DNA database. Sorry, I don't trust anything that b!tch says or does. >>



maybe i'm just young and naive, but i think that is a bit far fetched.
 

glenn1

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<< I can see her point, but this also may be a way of processing DNA samples just so the fed government can start building a database of DNA samples on people. >>



I can understand your concern, but i for one have far less confidence in the federal government than that. This is the same government that six months after 9-11 sent visa approvals to the guys involved in crashing the planes into the WTC. Heck, this is the same government that has trouble delivering your mail.... what makes you think that they'd have the skills to be able to even decide HOW to put together a national DNA database, much less go about actually DOING it?

I can see certain folks in the federal government wishing they could do something like this, but i don't give them the benefit of the doubt that they're competent enough to do it.
 

rahvin

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I think this is a pretty far cry from a national DNA database guys. Frankly I don't think you read the story. There are 500,000 "rape kit" DNA samples out there, it generally costs in the thousands of dollars to get a DNA test done and most local and county government would do the tests if they had the money but they don't have the money. They are simply proposing allocating money for local goverments so they can do their DNA tests. This isn't some big national DNA database, it's providing funding to local police departments to further ongoing investigations. It IS a good idea.
 

SuperTool

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This is a slippery slope.
It's pretty obvious that once the government has a system set up to collect store and compare DNA identifiers for criminals it will be a small step to do it for everyone. First they will say it's just for rapists. Then they will say they also want to add bastards and deadbeat dads, then they will say they want to add everyone so they have a unique identifier on everyone so they can track terrorists or what not. And before you know it, the government will pick up spit off the sidewalk, and then send you a mailer saying that you have flu or gingivitis.
The government always starts encroaching on your freedoms and privacy by saying it's for your own protection. The government wants you to be dependent on them. Don't forget that all these government workers have a job because you depend on them for services. The more dependent you are, the better off they are.
If you think that once the government has this DNA system all setup they are not going to abuse it, you are a sucker.
 

gopunk

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it is a slippery slope. and what's up with this imprisoning criminals thing? such a slippery slope, before you know it, they'll be imprisoning normal citizens! first they will say it is just for murderers... then they will say thieves and pickpockets. then, your mom and dad!

the government must stop encroaching on our freedoms! viva la freedom!
 

Ameesh

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<<

<< And the next step is to take a blood sample from every baby born in the U.S. at birth to be indexed and categorized in to the national DNA database. Sorry, I don't trust anything that b!tch says or does. >>



maybe i'm just young and naive, but i think that is a bit far fetched.
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your not naive at all they are just extremly paraniod, go back to watching xfiles guys.
 
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<< This is a slippery slope.
It's pretty obvious that once the government has a system set up to collect store and compare DNA identifiers for criminals it will be a small step to do it for everyone. First they will say it's just for rapists. Then they will say they also want to add bastards and deadbeat dads, then they will say they want to add everyone so they have a unique identifier on everyone so they can track terrorists or what not. And before you know it, the government will pick up spit off the sidewalk, and then send you a mailer saying that you have flu or gingivitis.
The government always starts encroaching on your freedoms and privacy by saying it's for your own protection. The government wants you to be dependent on them. Don't forget that all these government workers have a job because you depend on them for services. The more dependent you are, the better off they are.
If you think that once the government has this DNA system all setup they are not going to abuse it, you are a sucker.
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Yeah, just look at how fingerprinting has gotten out of hand.
 

SuperTool

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<< I think this is a pretty far cry from a national DNA database guys. Frankly I don't think you read the story. There are 500,000 "rape kit" DNA samples out there, it generally costs in the thousands of dollars to get a DNA test done and most local and county government would do the tests if they had the money but they don't have the money. They are simply proposing allocating money for local goverments so they can do their DNA tests. This isn't some big national DNA database, it's providing funding to local police departments to further ongoing investigations. It IS a good idea. >>


That's nonsense. Do you think a local police system will be effective? No. The only way this will work is if they have a central or a distributed linked database to cross compare samples. Otherwise, the crooks will just move to a different county and that will be a big waste of money anyways. To process 500000 rape kits and millions of convicts in the US, mass production processes will have to be developed, and these processes once in place will easily scale to all US population. It is only a matter of time before the government will have a DNA sample on everyone.
 

Cyberian

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<< This is a slippery slope.
It's pretty obvious that once the government has a system set up to collect store and compare DNA identifiers for criminals it will be a small step to do it for everyone.
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Isn't "slippery slope" one type of argument that is normally frowned upon?
I don't see the progression from processing evidence from existing DNA samples to the testing of the general population at all.
 

SuperTool

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<< Yeah, just look at how fingerprinting has gotten out of hand. >>


It hasn't yet, because information technology of last century was not good enough to hold, collect and instantaneously compare data on everyone. This is changing now.
 

gopunk

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<<

<< This is a slippery slope.
It's pretty obvious that once the government has a system set up to collect store and compare DNA identifiers for criminals it will be a small step to do it for everyone.
>>

Isn't "slippery slope" one type of argument that is normally frowned upon?
I don't see the progression from processing evidence from existing DNA samples to the testing of the general population at all.
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what the hell are you SMOKING man?! the government is always looking for ways to control us! because that is their sole purpose in life! did you know there is a plan to make it so that we have to REGISTER to drive cars?! before you know it, we'll have to REGISTER to bike, or even WALK! the government will control our movements!
 

sandorski

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LOL, some of you guys are real characters. :)

So what should be done? Should that evidence just sit there while some rapist remains free and justice not come to the victim? There are 500 thousand smoking guns sitting in a warehouse(figuritively(sp)) and you don't care because of the fabled "slippery slope"?