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Hillary Clinton = Defacto President Elect

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LegendKiller said:
You call a super porous southern border which we have absolutely no real control over and allowance of illegals in our house, having our doors locked?
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Once again, you're attacking a caricature of reality. Yes, we can upgrade boarder security, just as we can upgrade the security on our homes. That doesn't make either unlocked, however. The issue is diminishing returns, where the incremental improvements we gain are worth less than the cost.

I note that you totally ignored all the other ways illegal immigrants enter this country, most notably overstaying their visas. It suggests that when you rail on "illegals", what you really mean is Mexicans. You should probably be a bit less transparent in your real motives.


This, ladies and gentlemen, is liberal smugness to the max.
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You should tend to the beam in your own eye, my friend. You epitomize smugness.


You can't even control who is in your house but you proudly proclaim it locked up and deride others as stupid. ...
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Excuse me, sweetie, but I didn't say the problem is locked up, nor did I deride others (you) as "stupid." That's you attacking straw men again. I said your analogy is dumb. Because it is, and I showed why. You, of course, ignored this. To paraphrase you:
"I have dared [ LegendKiller ] before, and he refuses to acknowledge, because he can't counter it,"
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Trump is in a statistical tie with clinton in Ohio. Just wait for it.

A few more "make America Mexico again" demonstrations and you'll see this turn into a rout.
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Bowfinger said:
I note that you totally ignored all the other ways illegal immigrants enter this country, most notably overstaying their visas. It suggests that when you rail on "illegals", what you really mean is Mexicans. You should probably be a bit less transparent in your real motives.
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And herein lies the rub....you wildly extrapolate from his concern for the illegal immigration issue to accusations of racism on the sole basis that he didn't mention other forms of illegal immigration. Just how fucked up is that?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
And herein lies the rub....you wildly extrapolate from his concern for the illegal immigration issue to accusations of racism on the sole basis that he didn't mention other forms of illegal immigration. Just how fucked up is that?
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It is the only way the left can win. Don't like hillary because she hasn't had any real achievements in life you're a mysoginist (but we are off the reservation, perhaps she needs powwow chow to get us back on). Don't like Barry because he hasn't done shit in the last 7 years, you're a racist (but hey, a comedian can call Obama whatever he wants, while hugely disrespecting the office, but that isn't racist), don't like illegal immigration but font talk about enforcement (which I have, such as employment controls using existing laws) you're racist....etc


Rather than debating facts they just want to call names. But woe betide anybody who calls them on playing those cards.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
And herein lies the rub....you wildly extrapolate from his concern for the illegal immigration issue to accusations of racism on the sole basis that he didn't mention other forms of illegal immigration. Just how fucked up is that?
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Boo hoo. If the sombrero fits ...

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LegendKiller said:
It is the only way the left can win. Don't like hillary because she hasn't had any real achievements in life you're a mysoginist (but we are off the reservation, perhaps she needs powwow chow to get us back on). Don't like Barry because he hasn't done shit in the last 7 years, you're a racist (but hey, a comedian can call Obama whatever he wants, while hugely disrespecting the office, but that isn't racist), don't like illegal immigration but font talk about enforcement (which I have, such as employment controls using existing laws) you're racist....etc


Rather than debating facts they just want to call names. But woe betide anybody who calls them on playing those cards.
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"I have dared [ LegendKiller ] before, and he refuses to acknowledge, because he can't counter it,"
 
Bowfinger said:
"I have dared [ LegendKiller ] before, and he refuses to acknowledge, because he can't counter it,"
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You haven't dared a single thing.

1. They may overstay visas, but they are vetted can can be found far easier since we collect a lot of info on them, far more than a border jumper. That is u less you think the coyotes hands ice a list of people.

More later...
 
LegendKiller said:
And Obama fanned racial tensions, economic malaise, continued offshoring, unfettered illegal immigration...etc

That somebody like Bernie could even get a toe-hold in the DNC with the first woman running as Pres tells you a lot. People think the situation sucks. It has little to nothing to do with birtherism. I never believed it for a second but everything else fucking sucks.
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The only place those were fanned was in your paranoid conservatively defective brain. The rest looks right on, however.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
That's really fucked up thinking that's actually quite common among the left regarding this particular issue...you're a smart guy, and I expected more from you on this one.
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You love to take one minor part of someone's post and blow it way out of proportion to duhvert the thread from important points. I'm not interested in playing your game. Should you care to address any of the substantive points I raise, we may have something to discuss.

LK's analogy is a dumb analogy, and I gave several reasons why.
 
It really depends on how many people awaken to understand the true paradigm of politics: That Bush, Clinton, Obama, and all the candidates that are "annointed" by the corproate media are all in fact part of the same single party. The party of PNAC. The party of neocon. The party of NAFTA. The party of wall street. The party of making $1000 for every job they export. The party of making $1000 for every million in new government debt. The party of making $1000 for every middle eastern person who gets bombed into the sand. This is the party of Hillary clinton, regardless of what nonsense she spews. People either wise up to this or they continue to lose. Trump is the very first actual major party frontrunner in decades who is and has consistently for years been saying stuff exactly like this.
 
LegendKiller said:
It is the only way the left can win. Don't like hillary because she hasn't had any real achievements in life you're a mysoginist (but we are off the reservation, perhaps she needs powwow chow to get us back on). Don't like Barry because he hasn't done shit in the last 7 years, you're a racist (but hey, a comedian can call Obama whatever he wants, while hugely disrespecting the office, but that isn't racist),
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You seem to love dishonest arguments. Why is that? For the record, I have never called you a misogynist for your criticisms of Clinton, nor a racist for your criticisms of Obama. (I do note with amusement that in the typical RNC fashion, you criticize Obama because "he hasn't done shit in the last 7 years" while elsewhere blast him for all the radical changes he's made to destroy America. Conservatives seem to have no problem holding contradictory beliefs.)


don't like illegal immigration but font talk about enforcement (which I have, such as employment controls using existing laws) you're racist....etc
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I've never called you racist for discussing immigration enforcement. Indeed, if you weren't so busy attacking stereotypes and straw men, you might note that I have also called for more aggressively enforcing employment controls. Simple supply and demand -- and the lessons of history -- show us that reducing demand is the key to reducing supply.

I am suggesting most of your/Trump's wild "plans" are impractical and poor values, costing far more than their possible benefits. (Of course others, like "Mexico will pay for a wall" are pure nonsense.) I also suggest that your seemingly exclusive fixation on the southern border out of all the holes I listed indicates your motivation may be tainted by another agenda. You're welcome to rationalize it in other ways, but you have a track record that erodes your credibility.

Rather than debating facts they just want to call names. But woe betide anybody who calls them on playing those cards.
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Again, tend to the beam in your own eye, hypocrite. You are one of P&N's most belligerent posters, freely hurling vitriolic insults at any who dare challenge you. You also consistently ignore facts others use to refute you. It is one of your most defining traits. My posts above are just the most recent examples.
 
Bowfinger said:
You love to take one minor part of someone's post and blow it way out of proportion to duhvert the thread from important points. I'm not interested in playing your game. Should you care to address any of the substantive points I raise, we may have something to discuss.

LK's analogy is a dumb analogy, and I gave several reasons why.
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You called him a racist based on completely shoddy reasoning. If that's a minor point in your world...that's really fucked up thinking as well.
 
In what world could Trump win? I am just not seeing it. This election is over and we get more Clinton. I am pretty sure that we should just coronate the Clintons and the Bushes and just get over it. I won't see the end of their control in my lifetime. These two families have had a stranglehold on power for nearly 40 years now. I think it is kind of unprecedented in American history. Really depressed right now.
 
I think we seriously need some changes in government. We have too many tax exempt organizations that produce nothing and help anyone but themselves. If an organization does not feed the poor or help under-privileged people in some way they they dont deserve to be tax exempt. I specifically think only the portion of what they use to help the people in the USA should be tax exempt except for maybe churches that have a world-wide presence. For instance an organization that helps the mothers of terrorists is something we should avoid. Sane with save the whales and the Humane society. That is not helping people. There is room to help animals, but they should not be tax exempt.
I would exclude donations to political groups, to PAC's and political party bribery money for politicians. Help people not the government.
 
sm625 said:
It really depends on how many people awaken to understand the true paradigm of politics: That Bush, Clinton, Obama, and all the candidates that are "annointed" by the corproate media are all in fact part of the same single party. The party of PNAC. The party of neocon. The party of NAFTA. The party of wall street. The party of making $1000 for every job they export. The party of making $1000 for every million in new government debt. The party of making $1000 for every middle eastern person who gets bombed into the sand. This is the party of Hillary clinton, regardless of what nonsense she spews. People either wise up to this or they continue to lose. Trump is the very first actual major party frontrunner in decades who is and has consistently for years been saying stuff exactly like this.
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And how would our country benefit and look, if all that stuff wasn't happening? It's almost like some people don't want to see that picture, and the left, especially, want to fight righting the ship, tooth and nail.
 
compuwiz1 said:
And how would our country benefit and look, if all that stuff wasn't happening? It's almost like some people don't want to see that picture, and the left, especially, want to fight righting the ship, tooth and nail.
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You mean if Trickledown Reaganomics, Free Trade & a deregulated financial sector had never happened? If Unions hadn't been hammered flat? If taxes on the financial elite had never been lowered? If Freedumb hadn't been ringing in the empty heads of right wingers for 35 years?
 
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