Hillary Clinton blames Bush for blackout

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digitalsm

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Theres a HUGE difference between the rolling blackouts CA had, and the NY-Detriot-Cleveland-Canada blackout.
 

daniel1113

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Don't forget Democrat's MO: Good stuff = take credit for it; Bad stuff = pawn it off on Bush, or maybe Reagan... Whomever's convenient. The buck stops where?

The bottom line is that ALL people in power will do this.
 

digitalsm

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And I dont support the idea of joining all the power grids together like some in congress have been pushing for.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
hehe Republicans blamed Davis for Cali's blackout.

But when the shoe is on the other foot.......

HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!! (a cornerstone of the modern Republican party)
Explain how botched deregulation by California's governor is the same as this blackout.

And if it's anybody's fault it's the damn environmentalists and their anti-energy push and the politicians who either listen to them or cower to them. Very little modernization, very few new plants and effectively banning clean burning coal mining in Utah (thank you Clinton administration) just to appease the whiney environmentalists. I guess you reap what you sow.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Ferocious
hehe Republicans blamed Davis for Cali's blackout.

But when the shoe is on the other foot.......

HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!! (a cornerstone of the modern Republican party)
Explain how botched deregulation by California's governor is the same as this blackout.

And if it's anybody's fault it's the damn environmentalists and their anti-energy push and the politicians who either listen to them or cower to them. Very little modernization, very few new plants and effectively banning clean burning coal mining in Utah (thank you Clinton administration) just to appease the whiney environmentalists. I guess you reap what you sow.
Actually it was Pete Wilson that did deregulation IIRC. However you gotta blame the state house and senate, they passed it by a very large margin. Davis was to blame for the CA blackouts because he handled the whole thing very poorly. Would have been worse if he took Bill Clintons advice though. Bush wasnt to blame for the rolling blackouts either, they issue started under Clintons watch. Clinton told Davis to jack up the price for consumers.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Ferocious
hehe Republicans blamed Davis for Cali's blackout.

But when the shoe is on the other foot.......

HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!! (a cornerstone of the modern Republican party)
Explain how botched deregulation by California's governor is the same as this blackout.

And if it's anybody's fault it's the damn environmentalists and their anti-energy push and the politicians who either listen to them or cower to them. Very little modernization, very few new plants and effectively banning clean burning coal mining in Utah (thank you Clinton administration) just to appease the whiney environmentalists. I guess you reap what you sow.
Actually it was Pete Wilson that did deregulation IIRC. However you gotta blame the state house and senate, they passed it by a very large margin. Davis was to blame for the CA blackouts because he handled the whole thing very poorly. Would have been worse if he took Bill Clintons advice though. Bush wasnt to blame for the rolling blackouts either, they issue started under Clintons watch. Clinton told Davis to jack up the price for consumers.
Thank you for correcting me.

 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: daniel1113
I also find it humorous that Hillary does nothing more than blame Bush, while Bush vows to actually fix the problem. Who would of known?
OMG, you're such a knee-jerker. Nowhere in that article does Hillary blame Bush. You're conveniently reading that in.
Why am I thinking of a black pot and kettle?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: daniel1113
I also find it humorous that Hillary does nothing more than blame Bush, while Bush vows to actually fix the problem. Who would of known?
OMG, you're such a knee-jerker. Nowhere in that article does Hillary blame Bush. You're conveniently reading that in.
Why am I thinking of a black pot and kettle?
'Cause you have two brain cells. One for each.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Also, in case you guys didn't know, Hillary's quote came from a video interview today in which she does mention Bush.
Mentions Bush?
 

JellyBaby

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Partisans.
Indeed.

I read it could take up to 50 billion to modernize the grid's transmission (probably a lot of pork in that figure). The question is, what will Bush do next?
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Originally posted by: Gaard
Partisans.
Indeed.

I read it could take up to 50 billion to modernize the grid's transmission (probably a lot of pork in that figure). The question is, what will Bush do next?
Since I'm sure Bush had soooooo much to do with the blackout...
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Originally posted by: Gaard
Partisans.
Indeed.

I read it could take up to 50 billion to modernize the grid's transmission (probably a lot of pork in that figure). The question is, what will Bush do next?
Since I'm sure Bush had soooooo much to do with the blackout...
No one said, even Hillary, he did.
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
The blackout isnt the governments fault.
during Reagan's administration, people with a philosophy that government and government regulation are BAD came to power. This lead to deregulation of the electric industry, which changed that industry from having a primary mission of providing reliable power to having a primary mission of generating short term profits, like most corporations.

This has created a disincentive to upgrade the grid.

Now, Reagan was very popular, and because Democrats also want to be popular, they have co-opted some of these bad ideas, at times and to a lesser degree, although they are the followers to the Republican's lead.
 

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