Hillary Clinton appears to suggest Russians are 'grooming' Tulsi Gabbard for third-party run

[Starbuck1975]

the solution is to punish russia with a new cold war. Cut off their internet and help eu get off of all russian natural gas. Break those people economically until russian children are starving. Thats how you deal with russia.

Why do you want to hurt children?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Actually that’s a lie, Hillary did not pay for Russian disinformation. At best she paid for oppo research in which the company contracted to do the research used a former British agent who was an expert on Russia.

Your mischaracterization of the event is either done out of ignorance or with an intent to lie. Now that you have been corrected, I expect you not to make such false claims again.

What You Need To Know About The Russia Investigations: The Dossier

An infamous, unverified document has sometimes been at the center of discussions about the Russia imbroglio. What is it and where did it come from?

www.npr.org

That is a fancy way to say dumpster diving. It’s problematic that former intelligence assets are monetizing their networks and expertise as “oppo research”.

 

[Amused]

Let's see:

>Osama Bin Laden wasn't enough of a threat to justify preemptively taking him out.

>Saddam possessing WMDs was a "slam dunk."

If you believed either one of those, you shouldn't have.

Here's some common sense, then: which scenario is more likely?

>A significant number of voters were brainwashed by Russian trolls on Twitter.

>A significant number of voters were terrified by the possibility of President Hillary Clinton and what that would entail given her, shall we say, "checkered" history.

Ironically, the fact that 90+% of her so-called "checkered history" is right-wing conspiracy fables and Russian Bot fake news, I'd say you're not making a strong case here.

That was the crux of all of this, and proof of your cult media. That issues are ignored while wild conspiracies about Pizza basements that don't exist headline in your cult media echo chambers.

You just keep making our point for us.

Get out of your cult echo chamber. Realize it has nothing to do with conservatism.

 

[JSt0rm]

Why do you want to hurt children?

Why does russia want to hurt their own children by waging a shadow war is the real question.

 

[fskimospy]

Let's see:

>Osama Bin Laden wasn't enough of a threat to justify preemptively taking him out.

>Saddam possessing WMDs was a "slam dunk."

If you believed either one of those, you shouldn't have.

Here's some common sense, then: which scenario is more likely?

>A significant number of voters were brainwashed by Russian trolls on Twitter.

>A significant number of voters were terrified by the possibility of President Hillary Clinton and what that would entail given her, shall we say, "checkered" history.

Those two aren't even remotely mutually exclusive. The common sense answer is that sustained disinformation campaigns act like advertising and exert a nontrivial effect on voter views and that some voters were also terrified of Hillary Clinton. If anything there's probably pretty considerable overlap considering Trump supporters tend to believe lots of insane things about Hillary Clinton.

I've said it before, the world's easiest mark for a liar or a grifter is a Trump supporter. Those people will believe anything. Did you ever see that report about those Macedonian trolls who made a giant pile of cash making up bullshit that Trump supporters would believe? They tried the same for Bernie supporters but stopped because they wouldn't buy it.

 

[qliveur]

I've always been conservative/capitalist and haven't changed.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Tell me more about Rape Culture, Mr. Conservative. Maybe quote Salon or Buzzfeed to drive your point home.

You've been duped into thinking being conservative means you have to be a racist, bigot, conspiratard and science denialist.

lolwut?

You need to brush up on your mind-reading skills, because you really suck at it.

Nope, that's not conservative, that's cult nationalist. And I have always despised the white nationalists, conspiratards science denialists and bigots.

Yet you sound bigoted as hell. In fact, you sound like a fanatic.

Ironically, the fact that 90+% of her so-called "checkered history" is right-wing conspiracy fables and Russian Bot fake news, I'd say you're not making a strong case here.

That was the crux of all of this, and proof of your cult media. That issues are ignored while wild conspiracies about Pizza basements that don't exist headline in your cult media echo chambers.

You just keep making our point for us.

Get out of your cult echo chamber. Realize it has nothing to do with conservatism.

And now you're white-knighting for Hillary Clinton while foaming at the mouth about Russian bots, again. Who's making whose point for whom?

And who knew there were Russian bots in 1993? Pretty sure that's before Al Gore invented the internet.

I don't need fake news to tell me that Hillary Clinton is the personification of the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. All I've had to do is pay attention to her for the past two and a half decades. She's displays her symptoms like a peacock. I think she's actually proud of them.

And speaking of echo chambers: what do you think this place is?

 

[thraashman]

>A significant number of voters were brainwashed by Russian trolls on Twitter.

>A significant number of voters were terrified by the possibility of President Hillary Clinton and what that would entail given her, shall we say, "checkered" history.

Easily the first. Because anyone who's head isn't more up their ass than on their shoulders saw Trump cosying up to white supremacy and defending Putin before the election even happened. As someone already pointed out her "checkered" history is primarily far right lies with Russian disinformation in more recent years. Nobody with even a hint of sense would have voted for Trump over Hillary without the massive disinformation campaign against her. Yes, yes I realize that means there still would have been a large number of tradition Republicans voting for Trump. But they would have done that for the same reason they now support him, bigotry.

 

[Amused]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Tell me more about Rape Culture, Mr. Conservative. Maybe quote Salon or Buzzfeed to drive your point home.

lolwut?

You need to brush up on your mind-reading skills, because you really suck at it.

Yet you sound bigoted as hell. In fact, you sound like a fanatic.

And now you're white-knighting for Hillary Clinton while foaming at the mouth about Russian bots, again. Who's making whose point for whom?

And who knew there were Russian bots in 1993? Pretty sure that's before Al Gore invented the internet.

I don't need fake news to tell me that Hillary Clinton is the personification of the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. All I've had to do is pay attention to her for the past two and a half decades. She's displays her symptoms like a peacock. I think she's actually proud of them.

And speaking of echo chambers: what do you think this place is?

One doesn't have to be a "white knight" or "fanatic" to know that news outlets catering to an ideology rather than facts will spend more time spreading bullshit than telling you actual news.

I don't need to be a mind reader either. You spew demonstrably false ideological talking points/conspiracy theories and science denialism constantly. These have one source: The right-wing cult echo chamber.

And when confronted with it, you act like this.

Meanwhile, you seek to conflate issues and confuse them. When I talk about the right-wing cult media, you deflect by saying "where were the russian bots then!."

And curious you mention the 90s. We had 6 years of Clinton investigations with hundreds conspiracies being trumpeted by the then right-wing chief of propaganda, Rush. What turned up? A blow job and a denial under oath of said blow job.

That's it.

The right has given up talking about issues and ideologies. It has become a cult that spends billions fabricating and propagating ridiculous conspiracy theories and science denialism. They realized the power of this kind of insulated echo chamber with Savage and Limbaugh and the "everyone else is lying to you" cult tactic of claiming the mainstream media is controlled by liberals. And took it full bore... and now look at what it has created.

You're in a cult. And the first problem with being in a cult is being too stupid to realize it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Why does russia want to hurt their own children by waging a shadow war is the real question.

The Cold War never truly ended. We had a brief interlude through the Yeltsin years, but it was Putin’s sabre rattling in the Balkans that led to a resurgent ambition of Russia as a global power. He has never lost focus of his goal to weaken NATO the moment an American presence started extending into the former Soviet bloc.

 

[qliveur]

Those two aren't even remotely mutually exclusive. The common sense answer is that sustained disinformation campaigns act like advertising and exert a nontrivial effect on voter views and that some voters were also terrified of Hillary Clinton. If anything there's probably pretty considerable overlap considering Trump supporters tend to believe lots of insane things about Hillary Clinton.

I've said it before, the world's easiest mark for a liar or a grifter is a Trump supporter. Those people will believe anything. Did you ever see that report about those Macedonian trolls who made a giant pile of cash making up bullshit that Trump supporters would believe? They tried the same for Bernie supporters but stopped because they wouldn't buy it.

The stuff that terrified me came straight from Hillary Clinton's mouth; namely, her premature saber-rattling over Syria.

The Joint Chiefs said in no uncertain terms that trying to establish a no-fly zone over Syria would lead to war with Russia. You know, the only country on the planet that could obliterate us inside of 30 minutes. Oh, but she knew better, or so she thought.

Yes, let's risk an extinction-level event over Hillary Clinton's personal dislike of Vladimir Putin. Sounds like a great idea, if you're insane.

When questioned about it, her flippancy towards the whole thing made all the more terrifying.

 

[qliveur]

You spew demonstrably false ideological talking points/conspiracy theories and science denialism constantly.

What science have I denied?

 

[fskimospy]

The stuff that terrified me came straight from Hillary Clinton's mouth; namely, her premature saber-rattling over Syria.

The Joint Chiefs said in no uncertain terms that trying to establish a no-fly zone over Syria would lead to war with Russia. You know, the only country on the planet that could obliterate us inside of 30 minutes. Oh, but she knew better, or so she thought.

Yes, let's risk an extinction-level event over Hillary Clinton's personal dislike of Vladimir Putin. Sounds like a great idea, if you're insane.

When questioned about it, her flippancy towards the whole thing made all the more terrifying.

Interesting how you selectively trust certain parts of our government. This of course begs the question of if you trust the DIA, haha.

Regardless, the rest of your rant is not relevant to the discussion of whether or not Russian meddling occurred.

 

[Amused]

The stuff that terrified me came straight from Hillary Clinton's mouth; namely, her premature saber-rattling over Syria.

The Joint Chiefs said in no uncertain terms that trying to establish a no-fly zone over Syria would lead to war with Russia. You know, the only country on the planet that could obliterate us inside of 30 minutes. Oh, but she knew better, or so she thought.

Yes, let's risk an extinction-level event over Hillary Clinton's personal dislike of Vladimir Putin. Sounds like a great idea, if you're insane.

When questioned about it, her flippancy towards the whole thing made all the more terrifying.

Yeah, JFK should have done that over Cuba too.

FFS. Way to be propagandized into being a wet pants scared puppet bitch of Putin.

 

[Paratus]

The stuff that terrified me came straight from Hillary Clinton's mouth; namely, her premature saber-rattling over Syria.

The Joint Chiefs said in no uncertain terms that trying to establish a no-fly zone over Syria would lead to war with Russia. You know, the only country on the planet that could obliterate us inside of 30 minutes. Oh, but she knew better, or so she thought.

Yes, let's risk an extinction-level event over Hillary Clinton's personal dislike of Vladimir Putin. Sounds like a great idea, if you're insane.

When questioned about it, her flippancy towards the whole thing made all the more terrifying.

Hey guys the risk of Nuclear war in Syria was due to Hillary.

lucky for us cooler heads prevailed. Nothing nuclear we need to be worried about now.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/turkey-nukes-incirlik-cold-war.html

 

[Amused]

What science have I denied?

Don't tell me you're accepting the scientific consensus on anthropogenic causes of climate change and their proposed solutions.

If you are, then my apologies.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Tell me more about Rape Culture, Mr. Conservative. Maybe quote Salon or Buzzfeed to drive your point home.

lolwut?

You need to brush up on your mind-reading skills, because you really suck at it.

Yet you sound bigoted as hell. In fact, you sound like a fanatic.

And now you're white-knighting for Hillary Clinton while foaming at the mouth about Russian bots, again. Who's making whose point for whom?

And who knew there were Russian bots in 1993? Pretty sure that's before Al Gore invented the internet.

I don't need fake news to tell me that Hillary Clinton is the personification of the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. All I've had to do is pay attention to her for the past two and a half decades. She's displays her symptoms like a peacock. I think she's actually proud of them.

And speaking of echo chambers: what do you think this place is?

You work for FOX news? hahahaaaaa get it -- work for FOX news...rofl

 

[qliveur]

Don't tell me you're accepting the scientific consensus on anthropogenic causes of climate change and their proposed solutions.

If you are, then my apologies.

Do I think man-made climate change is real? Yes.

Do I think the world will end in 12 years? No.

Do you think I believe that Noah's Ark actually happened, too?

 

[brandonbull]

Those two aren't even remotely mutually exclusive. The common sense answer is that sustained disinformation campaigns act like advertising and exert a nontrivial effect on voter views and that some voters were also terrified of Hillary Clinton. If anything there's probably pretty considerable overlap considering Trump supporters tend to believe lots of insane things about Hillary Clinton.

I've said it before, the world's easiest mark for a liar or a grifter is a Trump supporter. Those people will believe anything. Did you ever see that report about those Macedonian trolls who made a giant pile of cash making up bullshit that Trump supporters would believe? They tried the same for Bernie supporters but stopped because they wouldn't buy it.

That's funny considering Hillary is the champ of spreading election time conspiracy theories.

 

[Amused]

Do I think man-made climate change is real? Yes.

Do I think the world will end in 12 years? No.

Do you think I believe that Noah's Ark actually happened, too?

You do realize the whole "world will end in 12 years" is right-wing propaganda intended to misrepresent what the consensus says, right? Actually, the claim was we have 12 years to correct it before we go too far.

What Does '12 Years to Act on Climate Change' (Now 11 Years) Really Mean? - Inside Climate News

We’ve been hearing variations of the phrase “the world only has 12 years to deal with climate change” a lot lately. Sen. Bernie Sanders put a version of it front and center of his presidential campaign last week, saying we now have “less than 11 years left to transform our energy system away...

insideclimatenews.org

The number began drawing attention in 2018, when the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released a report describing what it would take to keep global temperatures from rising more than 1.5 degrees Celsius, a goal of the Paris climate agreement. The report explained that countries would have to cut their anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions, such as from power plants and vehicles, to net zero by around 2050. To reach that goal, it said, CO2 emissions would have to start dropping "well before 2030" and be on a path to fall by about 45 percent by around 2030 (12 years away at that time).

No one in the scientific community claimed the world will end in 12 years. Only useful idiots believe that.

But thanks for making my point yet again. Mindlessly spewing counterfactual right-wing propaganda. You may not deny it, but you sure do believe the counterfactual misrepresentations spread by science denialist propaganda.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's funny considering Hillary is the champ of spreading election time conspiracy theories.

What conspiracy theories, specifically?

 

[JSt0rm]

The Cold War never truly ended. We had a brief interlude through the Yeltsin years, but it was Putin’s sabre rattling in the Balkans that led to a resurgent ambition of Russia as a global power. He has never lost focus of his goal to weaken NATO the moment an American presence started extending into the former Soviet bloc.

yeah. And we are going to punish him for it.

 

[ivwshane]

That is a fancy way to say dumpster diving. It’s problematic that former intelligence assets are monetizing their networks and expertise as “oppo research”.

Lol ok mr authoritarian, when you start supporting policies that pay intelligence officials after their service to not monetize their skills, you let me know.

Concerned trolling at its finest. That’s how you do it folks. If you can’t defend the argument then take down the people who are involved.

And you say you didn’t vote for trump, lol!

 

[fskimospy]

That's funny considering Hillary is the champ of spreading election time conspiracy theories.

Oh? How many people do you think she has murdered, ballpark?

 

[qliveur]

No one in the scientific community claimed the world will end in 12 years. Only useful idiots believe that.

Agreed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1087550417653940224

But thanks for making my point yet again. Mindlessly spewing counterfactual right-wing propaganda. You may not deny it, but you sure do believe the counterfactual misrepresentations spread by science denialist propaganda.

Once again, her words; no one else's. One could say she's as talented a right-wing propagandist as Hillary Clinton.

 

[Paratus]

Agreed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1087550417653940224

Once again, her words; no one else's. One could say she's as talented a right-wing propagandist as Hillary Clinton.

Continuing to make @Amused ’s point.