Hillary Clinton appears to suggest Russians are 'grooming' Tulsi Gabbard for third-party run

[cirrrocco]

Just listened to the podcast. In context, she's talking about a republican strategy. The "they're" and "they've" pronouns refer to republicans, not Russians. But then she mentions that the Russians are supporting her and have bots. However, the "grooming" comment could only have meant republicans. It's all they'd talked about for the past 5 minutes was the GOP electoral strategy for next year.

Put the podcast around 33 minutes and listen from there for full context. It's about three minutes before she says what you quoted above. Then tell me that they were talking about anything but republican strategy for next year.

‎Campaign HQ with David Plouffe on Apple Podcasts

‎News · 2022

podcasts.apple.com

This is not a walk back. It's a legitimate correction.

in 2016, Hillary Clinton was a Russian asset as well. Since Benghazi , intern murders, tax evasion were all propagated by Russian Bots.

Exact logic of Hillary. I can't believe that the democrats have become loony tunez and vapidly regurgitate corporate Dem talk.

She was the secretary of State and a lawyer. She should have been clear and the correction should have happened instantly. She wanted the news cycle to call TG a Russian Asset and she accomplished it. I just wont be voting for any corporate democrats. fuck this war mongering democrats now. I hated and railed profusely when the corrupt republicans [when are they not] did it and I am gonna do the same when the ex nominee runs her mouth during the campaign

 

[soundforbjt]

She skipped an event in Iowa tonight to appear on the Sean Hannity show to criticize the impeachment process. Not surprising.

Probably running third party.

BTW...Gabbard has already proven to be a Russian asset by her visits, words and actions when it comes to Assad, Syria and the Russians interests in the region. It's old news.

As far as fucking over the Democrats, well....

It's possible that she'd pull more from the Republican side - those who are conservative but can't bring themselves to vote for Trump. And would rather stay home than vote for a Democrat.

The hardcore MAGA's will vote Trump; the ones who voted for him last time because he was the "most interesting novelty" candidate may go to Gabbard, if they've soured on Trump in the meantime. ETA: Or those who voted for Trump because he'd "shake up the system" but have since soured, as well.

Although... most of her social and domestic policy positions are aligned with the Democrats. She's aligned with Trumpers on foreign policy which hardly anyone votes on, so..she might help Trump

Plus, horny Boomers love her...

Or...Pence will bow out (to spend more time with family, or some shit) And she'll run with Trump

First Tucker and now Hannity? Yep she may run with Trump to pull some of the women's votes to Trump since he's failing miserably with suburban women. I could totally see that happening. It will also deflect from the repubs failing to remove Trump on the impeachment.

 

[dank69]

in 2016, Hillary Clinton was a Russian asset as well. Since Benghazi , intern murders, tax evasion were all propagated by Russian Bots.

Exact logic of Hillary. I can't believe that the democrats have become loony tunez and vapidly regurgitate corporate Dem talk.

She was the secretary of State and a lawyer. She should have been clear and the correction should have happened instantly. She wanted the news cycle to call TG a Russian Asset and she accomplished it. I just wont be voting for any corporate democrats. fuck this war mongering democrats now. I hated and railed profusely when the corrupt republicans [when are they not] did it and I am gonna do the same when the ex nominee runs her mouth during the campaign

No. Jill Stein is considered a Russian asset because Russians are pushing propaganda supporting her vs. pushing propaganda that damages Clinton. Additionally, the GOP and probably Russians are pumping money into the Green Party and have been since before the 2016 elections.

 

[emperus]

I gotta say, with Gabbard's most recent moves, she's angling for something.

 

[soundforbjt]

I gotta say, with Gabbard's most recent moves, she's angling for something.

Yep, no self respecting Dem candidate would go on Tucker or Hannity, Wallace, yes. but Tucker & Hannity? That'd be like Trump going on Maddow's show.

 

[cirrrocco]

No. Jill Stein is considered a Russian asset because Russians are pushing propaganda supporting her vs. pushing propaganda that damages Clinton. Additionally, the GOP and probably Russians are pumping money into the Green Party and have been since before the 2016 elections.

But that's not a failure of TG or Jill Stein. They are in a democracy and are fighting for a seat at the table just like any else of them. We should be supporting them and not alluding nebulous fulmination against them.

For a country that talks about democracy and for being part of the progressive left, I am disheartened by the board members here dissing the democratic process. There are flaws but the country can only get stronger after this trump era.

 

[cirrrocco]

Yep, no self respecting Dem candidate would go on Tucker or Hannity, Wallace, yes. but Tucker & Hannity? That'd be like Trump going on Maddow's show.

Bill Maher has been telling Dems to go on republican and conservative shows for a long time

what you are saying is , we should fight second world war from the beaches of new jersey and attack japan from the islands near Los angeles.

What's wrong with taking the fight into the enemy camp and convert a few of them

You can repug thugs [kellyann conaway and Steve bannon ] on liberal talk shows all the time. If those fucks can come and lie on liberal TV and sow disinfo, we should do the same as well

 

[soundforbjt]

Bill Maher has been telling Dems to go on republican and conservative shows for a long time

what you are saying is , we should fight second world war from the beaches of new jersey and attack japan from the islands near Los angeles.

What's wrong with taking the fight into the enemy camp and convert a few of them

You can repug thugs [kellyann conaway and Steve bannon ] on liberal talk shows all the time. If those fucks can come and lie on liberal TV and sow disinfo, we should do the same as well

I'm not saying they shouldn't go on Fox period, but not Tucker, Ingraham, or Hannity. I agree they should hold Town Halls like Mayor Pete and Sanders did.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not saying they shouldn't go on Fox period, but not Tucker, Ingraham, or Hannity. I agree they should hold Town Halls like Mayor Pete and Sanders did.

Correct. Appearing on their shows give them credibility they don't deserve.

 

[woolfe9998]

She's just decided today to not seek re-election to her Congressional seat, to focus on running for POTUS. Which I think is odd given that she's polling around 2%. She should expect to be out of the race early next year.

 

[feralkid]

nm...

 

[Jhhnn]

She's just decided today to not seek re-election to her Congressional seat, to focus on running for POTUS. Which I think is odd given that she's polling around 2%. She should expect to be out of the race early next year.

We'll see if restoring sanity to the Presidency or satisfying her own ego has greater importance to her.

 

[cirrrocco]

Correct. Appearing on their shows give them credibility they don't deserve.

Jhhnn, I understand your point that their shows are pure bile and pukeworthy, but they have millions of easily scared paranoid voters. A strong democrat going in and telling them trump is a idiot and they can also get free healthcare and free college education , may sway some of them to vote donkey or at least stay home

worth the effort imo and props to the dems who go in and do this.

Our team sniping is getting out of hand and we find anything we can to bring down someone who has the guts to go there and win some votes. I am for Warren but I am glad TG is doing what she is doing

 

[dank69]

But that's not a failure of TG or Jill Stein.

Taken by itself, no, but there are other factors leading to the appearance of Stein being a Russian asset.

They are in a democracy and are fighting for a seat at the table just like any else of them. We should be supporting them and not alluding nebulous fulmination against them.

For a country that talks about democracy and for being part of the progressive left, I am disheartened by the board members here dissing the democratic process. There are flaws but the country can only get stronger after this trump era.

There are legit ways to fight the problems in our country. Running third party is not one of them. If you want more options than R or D, you should be pushing to overhaul our electoral system. Until that is changed, running/voting third party is akin to pissing in the wind. If you want to cheer for people pissing all over themselves, have at it, but a lot of people prefer to just point out their stupidity.

 

[soundforbjt]

Jhhnn, I understand your point that their shows are pure bile and pukeworthy, but they have millions of easily scared paranoid voters. A strong democrat going in and telling them trump is a idiot and they can also get free healthcare and free college education , may sway some of them to vote donkey or at least stay home

worth the effort imo and props to the dems who go in and do this.

Our team sniping is getting out of hand and we find anything we can to bring down someone who has the guts to go there and win some votes. I am for Warren but I am glad TG is doing what she is doing

Except she (Gabbard) didn't do that and Hannity lobed softball questions and tried to get her to join the Hunter Biden conspiracy. Do you really think Hannity would allow a Dem candidate to trash Trump, a guy who calls Trump regularly and is considered the ghost Chief of Staff?

 

[cirrrocco]

Except she (Gabbard) didn't do that and Hannity lobed softball questions and tried to get her to join the Hunter Biden conspiracy. Do you really think Hannity would allow a Dem candidate to trash Trump, a guy who calls Trump regularly and is considered the ghost Chief of Staff?

I admit I have not seen the Hannity interview. But imagine this, 90% [made up statistic] of the folks who go vote watching fox are gonna vote R anyways. Might as well impress upon their impressionable minds that they have options other than R.

Again I will comment further after watching the interview but I liked the couple of tucker interviews that she did previously. He let her talk and didn't interrupt her

 

[soundforbjt]

I admit I have not seen the Hannity interview. But imagine this, 90% [made up statistic] of the folks who go vote watching fox are gonna vote R anyways. Might as well impress upon their impressionable minds that they have options other than R.

Again I will comment further after watching the interview but I liked the couple of tucker interviews that she did previously. He let her talk and didn't interrupt her

Actually a recent poll showed that viewers that claim their primary news source as Fox support Trump by 98%. You won't reach those people by going on any of the Three Stooges (Tucker, Hannity, & Ingraham) shows. They (the Three Stooges) won't interrupt them as long as they are trashing Dems in some way or supporting their (Trump's) views, only when you step on their toes will they fight and disrupt and twist what you're saying.

 

[ivwshane]

You can say what you will about Hillary but she is very careful with her words and she doesn’t make up shit for political reasons. The closest she ever came to that was her recalling her experience in a helicopter.

 

[Maxima1]

But that's not a failure of TG or Jill Stein.

How can you say that? Nader ruined it for Gore. Stein almost ruined it by herself for Clinton. They know they aren't viable third party candidates, so there's no point except trading progressive values for self-interest.

They are in a democracy and are fighting for a seat at the table just like any else of them. We should be supporting them and not alluding nebulous fulmination against them.

in 2016, Hillary Clinton was a Russian asset as well. Since Benghazi , intern murders, tax evasion were all propagated by Russian Bots.

Exact logic of Hillary.

Tulsi repeats Russian talking points and is seemingly aware it draws attention and support to her. It's no surprise it's looking more likely she'll go third party.

What's wrong with taking the fight into the enemy camp and convert a few of them

What about meeting the orange pusbag?

Bannon set up Trump-Gabbard meeting

Bannon appreciates Gabbard’s willingness to publicly criticize President Obama for refusing to name the enemy, “radical Islamic terrorism.”

thehill.com

 

[qliveur]

So to be clear your argument is that she genuinely believed the planet earth was going to cease to exist in 12 years?

Lol.

More like, "We're all going to die in 12 years," but I think you already knew that.

And what did you expect the average person to think she meant, especially inside of the 4 months that it took for her to walk it back?

 

[soulcougher73]

All this bickering, but in the end, aren’t Republicans and Russians one in the same anymore?

 

[fskimospy]

More like, "We're all going to die in 12 years," but I think you already knew that.

So your argument is she genuinely believed human life would cease to exist in 12 years?

lol. You can't be serious.

And what did you expect the average person to think she meant, especially inside of the 4 months that it took for her to walk it back?

I would think that the average person, presumably gifted with the powers of common sense and elementary school or greater deductive reasoning skills would think she meant 12 years until something very bad would happen, which is in line with the science on the amount of time we have to avert a level of warming that will have catastrophic consequences.

 

[qliveur]

So your argument is she genuinely believed human life would cease to exist in 12 years?

lol. You can't be serious.

I know right? It's ridiculous.

There's certainly a more likely possibility, but I'm afraid it's even less flattering.

I would think that the average person, presumably gifted with the powers of common sense and elementary school or greater deductive reasoning skills would think she meant 12 years until something very bad would happen, which is in line with the science on the amount of time we have to avert a level of warming that will have catastrophic consequences.

That's not what she said, though. Not even close.

 

[fskimospy]

I know right? It's ridiculous.

There's certainly a more likely possibility, but I'm afraid it's even less flattering.

Why?

That's not what she said, though. Not even close.

That’s true! Similarly if someone says ‘you’re killing me’ you are often not in fact killing them.

How do you think that might apply here?

 

[tweaker2]

She's just decided today to not seek re-election to her Congressional seat, to focus on running for POTUS. Which I think is odd given that she's polling around 2%. She should expect to be out of the race early next year.

I think her poll numbers here at home have been sinking enough that posturing herself out of that job is less of a risk and reward than what she could get out of playing the spoiler in the run-up to the primaries.

In her soul she is more of a conservative than a lib. It wouldn't be a difficult thing at all for her to switch parties. In fact I think it would be seamless and logical for her to do so.

The Repubs would welcome her with open arms as she would be a difficult force to be reckoned with as far as the Dems are concerned.