Hillary Clinton about to get Watergated

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Originally posted by: Genx87
America has this almost sadistic love affair with the Clintons. They are like Reagan, they can do no wrong.

About the only thing imo Bernstein can show to the world that will derail her, is if he has video proof of her robbing a bank brandishing a gun.

?? Listen to Rush and his ilk much? They foam at the mouth at the mention of Hillary's name, having apolextic fits about her. OTOH, I personally can name many, many things Reagan got wrong. Each has their own groups they appeal to, and there is little or no overlap.

I'll wait to see what these alleged disclosures will be, and what independent verification exists.

So you use a fringe group as your basis of proof? Ill give you better proof, Clintons approval ratings in the middle of a non-stop scandal and Hillaries approval ratings when she isnt much better.

That encompasses a much larger demographic than Rush Limbaugh listeners.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: manowar821
Oh god, partisan political career attacks, GO! You know, she has a LOT to do in order to catch up to the bush admin.. What with the pointless murdering of soldiers and iraqis, and such.

Giver her time.. she'll "catch up," trust me.

FYI, Bush is not running for President in '08... and any candidate whose sole platform is "I'm better than Bush" will lose the '08 election.

didnt that wench vote for the war too? oh yeah.... GAME ON!

I'm tellin' ya.. if Clinton is the best the Dem party can offer this country, then they are absolutely screwed. The Republicans should be able to defeat her without much effort.

I seem to remember a lot of big talk like that beofre the last election too. :laugh:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: manowar821
Oh god, partisan political career attacks, GO! You know, she has a LOT to do in order to catch up to the bush admin.. What with the pointless murdering of soldiers and iraqis, and such.

Giver her time.. she'll "catch up," trust me.

FYI, Bush is not running for President in '08... and any candidate whose sole platform is "I'm better than Bush" will lose the '08 election.

didnt that wench vote for the war too? oh yeah.... GAME ON!

I'm tellin' ya.. if Clinton is the best the Dem party can offer this country, then they are absolutely screwed. The Republicans should be able to defeat her without much effort.

Yeah, the Republiklans should be able to defeat Hillary without much effort. The question is, with who? Rudy, the pro-abortion pro-gun control candidate? McCain, the senile pro-illegal immigrant candidate? Or is it Romney, the flip-flopping fake hunter?
The Republiklans should be able to defeat a liberal woman Democrat, but unfortunately they have some of the weakest candidates in history. Good luck with that.

Republiklans? Wow, thats pretty lame. What party is Robert Byrd in again?

 

[Jhhnn]

From Mxylplyx-

So when exactly do you want the democrats to actually do some official government business? I figured after they got the whitehouse, you'd want them to move on and actually lead, but apparently not.

and from Starbuck 1975-

If the Democrats do indeed win the White House, I would hope that they dedicate their new found power and mandate to lead the nation forward...America doesn't need a witch hunt, it needs answers to the problems created by the Bush Administration.

Witch hunt? stunning that supporters of the greatest witch hunters in modern memory would use that term so loosely...

Heh. The current problem is that the Executive branch is like a pot full of sh!t- it's a perfectly good pot, but you can't cook in it until it's been very thoroughly cleaned out...

We won't understand the full breadth and depth of what's happened under GWB Inc until we really take a close look at it, minus their current power to obfuscate, disappear official correspondence, withhold evidence, claim executive privilege and invoke national security... They've engaged in revisionist history all along, and the nation can't afford for that to be the official history, at all.

The truth will set you free, and anybody who's been telling the truth all along won't fear it being revealed at greater depth... Bushfans are already deep in denial- more of the truth won't likely induce catatonia in too many of them... and may well result in a constructive epiphany for conservatives in general...

Nor does a new Admin really have to do much of anything themselves- they can simply release information as it's requested... Cheney's energy policy meeting minutes? Sure- have at it. Karl Rove's collected email? Here they are - have fun... the list goes on, and on, and on... Dems will have plenty of time to run the country, given that the current admin has spent ~20% of their time doing that, and the other 80% lying, cheating, stealing and conniving to cover up their lying, cheating and stealing... not to mention the fear- and war- mongering...

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Dick Morris is working on something as well.

Having worked for Bill Clinton in both Arkansas and the White House he knows her very well.
Bush avoids all questions about his past and his drinking etc etc
Hillary lies about her past with all these made up stories etc etc.

What is worse?

Except Dick Morris is a complete tool and has an axe to grind.

Berstein's opinion carries a lot more weight than a former aide who had a thing for telling state secrets' to hookers.

 

[conehead433]

I don't think this is what will doom Hillary. Her failing to admit to making a mistake when she voted for the war in Iraq, then claiming she didn't vote for the war, as well as claiming that if this President didn't get us out of Iraq she would when she became President, while at the same time saying she would keep a military presence in Iraq for the long term. At least in my eyes she has lost any crediblity whatsover.

 

[slash196]

This topic is a horrific wasteland of ill-formed opinion. May god have mercy on all your souls.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Witch hunt? stunning that supporters of the greatest witch hunters in modern memory would use that term so loosely...

If you are referring to the Clinton investigations, I did not support the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal. I think it speaks volumes of Clinton's character that he was receiving 'bj's' in the Oval Office, but certainly not worth the attention it received from Congress...although fairly stupid on Clinton's part that he lied under oath about the whole affair...but I have far better ammunition and contentions with the Clinton Presidency than Monica Lewinsky.

We won't understand the full breadth and depth of what's happened under GWB Inc until we really take a close look at it, minus their current power to obfuscate, disappear official correspondence, withhold evidence, claim executive privilege and invoke national security... They've engaged in revisionist history all along, and the nation can't afford for that to be the official history, at all.

I think some of you, in your disapproval of Bush, want so badly for there to be some nugget of criminal wrongdoing, that it has become an obsession. I think Bush is the most impetuous, arrogant and narrow focused President in recent history, but that doesn't necessarily make him a criminal...and I think the Democrats are attempting to create scandal where there is none, or hope some Presidential staffer trips over his words in a lie so they can investigate something...anything.

But the Bush Administration has been under a microscope from the left for over 4 years now...don't you think something would have stuck to the wall by now?

 

[Jhhnn]

From Starbuck 1975, wrt the witch hunt terminology-

If you are referring to the Clinton investigations, I did not support the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Uhh, no that wasn't the reference, but it was obviously a witch hunt, in the end...

I was referring to the whole WoT witch hunt, the disgrace of the Patriot act, Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and secret prisons, the conflation of the terrorist boogeyman with the Baathist regime in Iraq and now the govt of Iran...

And there's the other stillborn witch hunt, the "voter fraud" witch hunt- apparently part of the reason for the USA firings... they wouldn't march to that drummer...

As for the rest of it, honest government has nothing to hide from its citizens, other than very limited issues of national defense. If the Bushies are, indeed, innocent, then only open inquiry will exonerate them, something their supporters should welcome- indeed, something the Bushies should have engaged in all along so as to not allow besmirchment of their reputation...

But that's not the way it is, which begs the question of why not...

 

[Pabster]

We'll see if the same nuts who praise Bernstein's Watergate writing are giving him such rave reviews on the Hillary expose. Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[theeedude]

Republicans are getting so desperate, they think another book is going to be what sinks Hillary. I'll give you a hint. I personally like Obama more, but I'll vote for Hillary, because of all the Republicans who are against her. It is going to be sweet to see them with Hillary in the White House for 4-8 years. Wouldn't miss it for the world.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I was referring to the whole WoT witch hunt, the disgrace of the Patriot act, Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and secret prisons, the conflation of the terrorist boogeyman with the Baathist regime in Iraq and now the govt of Iran...

True, although this is probably the first time in history that stories like this have hit public awareness...secret prisons, torture, assasinations, supporting the enemies of our enemies only to have it come back to haunt us...those were all staples of the Cold War years, and I doubt you can find a period in history where America has not committed actions contrary to our values in the name of national security.

And there's the other stillborn witch hunt, the "voter fraud" witch hunt- apparently part of the reason for the USA firings... they wouldn't march to that drummer...

Again, there has been sufficient investigations by various news organizations into both the Gore and Kerry losses, and neither have come up with anything substantial. I do not doubt that voter fraud occurs in this country, but my perception is that both parties engage in it to the extent that statistically it washes out.

As for the rest of it, honest government has nothing to hide from its citizens, other than very limited issues of national defense. If the Bushies are, indeed, innocent, then only open inquiry will exonerate them, something their supporters should welcome- indeed, something the Bushies should have engaged in all along so as to not allow besmirchment of their reputation...

My only contention with the Bush Administration is that they are heavy on rhetoric and light on facts...but the same can be said for most of our elected officials unfortunately.

Republicans are getting so desperate, they think another book is going to be what sinks Hillary. I'll give you a hint. I personally like Obama more, but I'll vote for Hillary, because of all the Republicans who are against her. It is going to be sweet to see them with Hillary in the White House for 4-8 years. Wouldn't miss it for the world.

Well given the current poll numbers, Obama is gaining on Hillary...she has nowhere to go but down at this point.

And voting for a candidate so as to stick it to the Republicans is kind of juvenile.

 

[OrByte]

Sorry hate to dissapoint you guys but we get Hillary bashing threads at least 3 a month or so.

Anything that ANYONE could have dregged up on Bill and Hillary would have been done so a loong time ago when Bill was President.

You guys are fooling yourselves. I mean seriously, are we still talking about Flowers and Lewinski?? still talking about shady finance deals? Didnt we go over this already back in the 90s?

Now I am not a HRC fan at all. IMHO she will pretty much seal the deal for another GOP President if she gets the Democratic nod. But there is just so much energy being spent on both sides of the aisle trying to pick apart each others candidates...that no real discovery is being done on evaluating a candidate on his/her merits. Its all wasted energy and we will be right back to where we are now with a horrible administration running things..whether its Dem or GOP.

Edit* and it will be our fault because we elected the guy/girl that can sling the mud the best...and that does not translate into who can best run our country.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans are getting so desperate, they think another book is going to be what sinks Hillary. I'll give you a hint. I personally like Obama more, but I'll vote for Hillary, because of all the Republicans who are against her. It is going to be sweet to see them with Hillary in the White House for 4-8 years. Wouldn't miss it for the world.

I don't think this is the doings of the Republicans, it has all the hallmarks of an internal struggle.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans are getting so desperate, they think another book is going to be what sinks Hillary. I'll give you a hint. I personally like Obama more, but I'll vote for Hillary, because of all the Republicans who are against her. It is going to be sweet to see them with Hillary in the White House for 4-8 years. Wouldn't miss it for the world.

I don't think this is the doings of the Republicans, it has all the hallmarks of an internal struggle.

oh really? and what hallmarks would be those huh?

 

[Starbuck1975]

oh really? and what hallmarks would be those huh?

The hallmarks of a party desperate to win the White House, and splintering over who the best candidate will be to accomplish that task...we have already witnessed Democrat internal struggles when they put a torpedo in Dean's campaign in favor of Kerry.

Even the heavy hitter Democrat fundraisers and contributers are starting to splinter between Obama and Hillary...and if the previous Democrat contender debate is any indication, the front runners are essentially faced with competition who have no chance of winning the nomination, but are quite capable of making their lives pure hell.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

oh really? and what hallmarks would be those huh?

The hallmarks of a party desperate to win the White House, and splintering over who the best candidate will be to accomplish that task...we have already witnessed Democrat internal struggles when they put a torpedo in Dean's campaign in favor of Kerry.

Even the heavy hitter Democrat fundraisers and contributers are starting to splinter between Obama and Hillary...and if the previous Democrat contender debate is any indication, the front runners are essentially faced with competition who have no chance of winning the nomination, but are quite capable of making their lives pure hell.

Unless you quantify that statement with facts and numbers, it is simply an assertion.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Hey no cross thread posting...then it forces me to do research and stuff. Which point did you want me to back up? There is plenty of information available on former Clinton allies now throwing their political and financial muscle behind Obama, not to mention that Kucinich is going after Obama and Clinton quite aggressively for their inconsistent stance on the war in Iraq...that much is evident.

The Democrats essentially have 3 viable contenders, and 5 fringe candidates who may only serve to do the Republicans work for them.

 

[imported_Baloo]

given how very public her career has been, do you really think there's going to be any real dirt. Don't count on it.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Baloo
given how very public her career has been, do you really think there's going to be any real dirt. Don't count on it.

I don't think it is dirt as in stuff people know nothing about, it is more likely details into stuff we already knew.

Most people have no clue about her beyond who she is married too and what she says.

There are dozens of questions left over from the Clinton scandals that she has never really answered. Like how the Rose Law Firm records magically showed up in the White House. The fact that she knew about Gennifer Flowers, even though she said that she didn?t etc etc.

People who are in the know will tell you that Hillary is one of the most ?handled? candidates around, they never let her out there to answer questions on her own, she never goes off topic etc etc. Nearly everything is done in a cold calculating way.
Sooner or later she will have to start responding to off the cuff questions or the press will start to make a big deal about the fact that she never answers any of their questions, only the pre-screened questions of voters at rallies.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Sooner or later she will have to start responding to off the cuff questions or the press will start to make a big deal about the fact that she never answers any of their questions, only the pre-screened questions of voters at rallies.

She could always pull a GWB and dart around answering questions about her past as well....

Worked for him, should work for her as well - and unless Bernstein has something ground shaking in his book, it's just going to be more fodder for those who eat up "The Clintons (or Rodhams) are the devil" with a big spoon and crave more of it....

That's not to discount that Bernstein may have something new to bring to light, but my own belief is that Hillary has been already been hit with anything that could destroy her political career and the "right" doesn't have anymore muck to sling.....

 

[ProfJohn]

Uber? the only problem is that the questions Hillary dodges have far more to do with her leadership than what Bush was drinking 20 years before he got elected.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Uber? the only problem is that the questions Hillary dodges have far more to do with her leadership than what Bush was drinking 20 years before he got elected.

Drinking, Coke, not fulfilling his Guard duty, failed business man, etc...