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[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Gamer X
I told you this hadith is not right. Many Muslim scholars do not believe it to be right.

I think I'll trust the imam more than you..no offense.

So you also trust these guys that say it is forbidden to play video games ?

Gamer: You must admit radicals in the muslim faith ,although maybe only 10-15% as the video suggests are a reality.
This is a problem to world peace and prosperity of all nations.
Present an arab view of how to solve the problem without using Isreal or the United states in your explanation.
In other words suppose for just a minute that some of the blame is actually due to Arab culture and the teaching of Hate to your children. I will be interested to hear your views.

I'm already admitting it if you haven't read my posts in this thread. I can't Present an arab view of the world peace without mentioning Isreal or the United states. They are too much involved in the ME for economic, political, and miltary reasons.

You have only said they do not understand muslim teachings. Therefore they do and believe wrong things.
That is an evil within Arab culture. How do you remedy it?
The US and Isreal cannot be the solution to a problem that is within your own culture. A problem of not understanding.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Gamer X
I told you this hadith is not right. Many Muslim scholars do not believe it to be right.

I think I'll trust the imam more than you..no offense.

So you also trust these guys that say it is forbidden to play video games ?

Gamer: You must admit radicals in the muslim faith ,although maybe only 10-15% as the video suggests are a reality.
This is a problem to world peace and prosperity of all nations.
Present an arab view of how to solve the problem without using Isreal or the United states in your explanation.
In other words suppose for just a minute that some of the blame is actually due to Arab culture and the teaching of Hate to your children. I will be interested to hear your views.

I'm already admitting it if you haven't read my posts in this thread. I can't Present an arab view of the world peace without mentioning Isreal or the United states. They are too much involved in the ME for economic, political, and miltary reasons.

gotta love born apologists!!

gotta love pro-Israel supporters no matter how many children it massacres.

What i find interesting even when confronted with overwhelming evidence you still will not give in.
Then again I bet your proud of your brothers in arms who hide amongst the Palestinian and Lebanese women and children. Then they cry massacre when the israeli`s bomb a house where a rocket was fired killing the inhabitants and themselves who were hiding amongst the children.
That word massacre in your case is only used to try to sway those who read these forums and are not smart enough to know better.
But thats Ok! Egypt learned the error of there ways and acknowledged israel`s right to exist as a nation!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: to Egypt!

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

gotta love born apologists!!

What I "love" is how easy it seems to be for some of you to paint anyone and anything you want as representative of a faith adhered to by over a billion people, worldwide, while you're just as quick to cry foul if anyone else does the same.

Is Fred Phelps representative of all Christians? How about catholic priests involved in recent scandals? Does that make all Christians pedophiles? Or those who have blown up churches? Or to be less extreme, just any random person of the faith who lists all the sins of society in an average sermon? Will you let each and every one of them represent you... whether he or she is Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Southern Baptist, Evangelical, Mormon, et al.?

If some members of Irgun, Haganah, and Lehi ended up in Israeli government (including some prime ministers), does that make all Jews terrorists? How about Meir Kahane and Baruch Goldstein (the founder of Kach and, arguably, its most infamous follower)? Or, again, to get away from extremes... Does every Jew agree on all issues, whether he or she is Hasidic or Mizrahi or Karaite?

Any reasonable person would say that any large enough group will include people with a wide array of beliefs and interpretations and that you can't expect hundreds, let alone millions or billions, of people to all fit into the pigeonhole you've created for them. But reasonable people, it seems, are a rare commodity these days. More common are those who see information as something to be turned and twisted, as needed, to promote their views and arguments at any given time and who will gang up on and shout down anyone who dares disagree. And what's saddest is how quickly those of you who have been victim of these tactics and decry them in one debate will willingly, even gleefully, use them in another.

That's what I "love."

 

[International Machine Consortium]

I see some deflection here. Let's focus on the issue, shall we? Fred Phelps hasn't blown up many buildings, has he? Catholic priests have been involved with unlawful sexual contact with minors, not trying to destroy an entire civilization.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
I see some deflection here. Let's focus on the issue, shall we? Fred Phelps hasn't blown up many buildings, has he? Catholic priests have been involved with unlawful sexual contact with minors, not trying to destroy an entire civilization.

well in fairness though his point is valid there will be fringe elements in every large group.
That is true. But we cannot end the discussion there and go about our day.
The large group responsability is to show the fringe they are wrong and seek to bring those in error back into understanding.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
I see some deflection here. Let's focus on the issue, shall we? Fred Phelps hasn't blown up many buildings, has he? Catholic priests have been involved with unlawful sexual contact with minors, not trying to destroy an entire civilization.

Deflection? You mean like ignoring an entire post as baseless because you didn't think the examples the poster chose were extreme enough for your tastes? Fine, then Eric Rudolph, Jim Jones, Wesley Swift, Joseph Krony and the LRA, the NLFT. Does listing more matter? Of course not... They no more represent the billions of other Christians who don't commit such acts than do muslim terrorist represent the billions of other Muslims who never have or would.

But you won't care... you'll ignore it as a "deflection" without acknowledging your own. And your biggest one? Turning this into a competition of who has "blown up [more] buildings," when "the issue" was about ideologies. And so as such, the only "deflections" have come from you and Gamer X.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

gotta love born apologists!!

What I "love" is how easy it seems to be for some of you to paint anyone and anything you want as representative of a faith adhered to by over a billion people, worldwide, while you're just as quick to cry foul if anyone else does the same.

Is Fred Phelps representative of all Christians? How about catholic priests involved in recent scandals? Does that make all Christians pedophiles? Or those who have blown up churches? Or to be less extreme, just any random person of the faith who lists all the sins of society in an average sermon? Will you let each and every one of them represent you... whether he or she is Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Southern Baptist, Evangelical, Mormon, et al.?

If some members of Irgun, Haganah, and Lehi ended up in Israeli government (including some prime ministers), does that make all Jews terrorists? How about Meir Kahane and Baruch Goldstein (the founder of Kach and, arguably, its most infamous follower)? Or, again, to get away from extremes... Does every Jew agree on all issues, whether he or she is Hasidic or Mizrahi or Karaite?

Any reasonable person would say that any large enough group will include people with a wide array of beliefs and interpretations and that you can't expect hundreds, let alone millions or billions, of people to all fit into the pigeonhole you've created for them. But reasonable people, it seems, are a rare commodity these days. More common are those who see information as something to be turned and twisted, as needed, to promote their views and arguments at any given time and who will gang up on and shout down anyone who dares disagree. And what's saddest is how quickly those of you who have been victim of these tactics and decry them in one debate will willingly, even gleefully, use them in another.

That's what I "love."

The difference is Freddies an outcast in our society while radical islam is state and community policy in some of these countries. They fund and support thier outcasts aka terrorists all over rthe world. The 14 year girl hung from a crain in Iran this weekend for being with a boy alone was done with state and community sanction. If old harmless Fred or any other Christain went to Saudi and prophtised he would be dead the next day with state and community sanction. If your mother was raped she could'nt testify in any muslim county if she's a Kuffer and even if shes Muslim she better have a male witness since in reality the two women to make one man witness is never upheald.. So while you may chose engage willing cognitive dissonace it's quite easy to "pigion hole" peoples who have no full equality of rights for women, no equal rights for non-Muslims in Islamic societies, no freedom of conscience, no equality in laws regarding legal testimony, beheadings for being a cathlolic, atheist or renoucing your faith. Not to mention are involed in terror attacks in or war every country at the moment. Or do you think those 40 bomb and arson attacks Tuesday night in Thailand was done by Christains or Buddist monks? Don't make me laugh bonehead.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Don't make me laugh bonehead.

Classy.

 

[Aimster]

why do u keep making threads about this? go get a hobby.

& almost all the sources on those Muslim sites come from outside sources other than the Quran.

a religion is based on the holy book. Not some crap some guy published last week.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
I see some deflection here. Let's focus on the issue, shall we? Fred Phelps hasn't blown up many buildings, has he? Catholic priests have been involved with unlawful sexual contact with minors, not trying to destroy an entire civilization.

Deflection? You mean like ignoring an entire post as baseless because you didn't think the examples the poster chose were extreme enough for your tastes? Fine, then Eric Rudolph, Jim Jones, Wesley Swift, Joseph Krony and the LRA, the NLFT. Does listing more matter? Of course not... They no more represent the billions of other Christians who don't commit such acts than do muslim terrorist represent the billions of other Muslims who never have or would.

But you won't care... you'll ignore it as a "deflection" without acknowledging your own. And your biggest one? Turning this into a competition of who has "blown up [more] buildings," when "the issue" was about ideologies. And so as such, the only "deflections" have come from you and Gamer X.

Those are fair comparisons. I'm not beyond reason here. No need to strike repeatedly with a baseball bat. I'll tell you what: When the wacknut Christians do something on the level of 9/11, they'll have an equal amount of attention, I'm sure.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Zebo
LMAO don't miss this one
http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=1394

In simple the Kuffaar can never be trusted for any possible good they do.
They have their own interest at heart.

Are you saying that isn't true? The original prompt mentioned US intervention to protect Muslims from Milosovic . . . but as I remember . . . Clinton only moved after Muslim radicals started going into the region and Iran started to perk up about it.

Did we really go into Beirut to protect Muslims? If so . . . why didn't we stay?

Did we really go to Grenada to protect medical students? Or was it an opportunity to give Castro a smackdown?

Did we really go into Rwanda . . . oh nevermind.

Did we really go into Sudan . . . oh nevermind.

Did we really invade Iraq to liberate the Iraqis? At least Bush41 was honest.

Whoever it is that answers questions on that website is a loon. But even loons get it right on occasion. What was it John Bolton said about the UN . . .

"If I were redoing the Security Council today, I'd have one permanent member because that's the real reflection of the distribution of power in the world."
---
?There is no such thing as the United Nations. There is an international community that occasionally can be led by the only real power left in the world and that is the United States when it suits our interest and we can get others to go along.''

Is there any doubt that the tool on that Muslim website has a realistic view of US foreign policy?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Gamer X
If they told you that women should stay home or the likes of these things , they don't undestand Islam.

I am always trying to understand different cultures, so perhaps you can explain the following bolded conclusion from your link-

From the above collection of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on the subject, one may conclude the following:

1. Woman is to be raised properly when she is young as a daughter.

2. She is to be treated very kindly.

3. She is to lead a happy life at home as a wife and a mother.

4. She is to raise her children properly so as she will be a good teacher. a good leader, a good trainer, a good mother and a good grandmother.

5. She is to be rewarded in the world as well as in the Hereafter.

That seems to explictly state she should stay home.

 

[Aimster]

Muslim women work.
They are allowed to work

Anyone who says otherwise is probably from
A) Saudi Aarabi B) Pakistan C) some village where they have donkeys for rides.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

^^ Southern Baptists?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Muslim women work.
They are allowed to work

Anyone who says otherwise is probably from
A) Saudi Aarabi B) Pakistan C) some village where they have donkeys for rides.

Where does it explictly say it? Or is it a more contemporary interpretation much like many of the christians use now? TIA.

 

[Rainsford]

"Here is a Muslim fundie site that supports my prejudices, therefore it is a popular site that represents the majority of Muslims in the entire world."

It's like somebody gave the OP a beating with the idiot stick...and apparently the rest of you too.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
"Here is a Muslim fundie site that supports my prejudices, therefore it is a popular site that represents the majority of Muslims in the entire world."

It's like somebody gave the OP a beating with the idiot stick...and apparently the rest of you too.

I'm ignorant, not an idiot, so I'll exclude myself from that remark.