High school football coach suspended after blowing out another team..

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Bridgeport Central is one of the largest public high schools in CT. Bridgeport is the largest city in CT. There are small private high schools that year after recruit for football that play larger public schools because they are competitive. The whole point of leagues is to put tteams in clusters where they are competitive with each other.

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Team.m...D-2e1261eb-a589-473f-b6c4-16231d13cd9e

So is Bassick a public or private school?

 

[Perknose]

Keeping score is so . . . elitist.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: waggy
ok so odds are he put the 2nd string in for the 2nd Quarter and they still kicked ass. then for the 3rd he put in the 3rd and they continued to kick ass. what do you want? for them to give them the ball to score?

I think you're right, except they didn't continue to kick ass. They scored once in the last two quarters. Five times in the first quarter. Twice in the second quarter. Once in the third quarter. Zero times in the fourth quarter. At some point they also stopped passing and just ran the ball. I don't think the coach should get suspended because it's obvious that he attempted to slow down the scoring. But I think it's obvious that he could have slowed it down earlier.

Maybe my viewpoint is different because I played a sport where sportsmanship mattered.

Football is a different beast. One missed tackle can make the difference between a loss and 6 points. It's not like other sports because you can rack up the score very quickly based on a single event.

Baseball, to go up big you need runners in scoring position. Basketball, you need consecutive 3-pointers. Tennis, golf, etc all take a long time to develop big leads. You can develop a big lead in football in a matter of 5 minutes.

 

[Dritnul]

lol not only did he put in his 3rd string...he stopped passing too

his 3rd string just running also he only scored 7 points in 3rd quarter and no in fourth.

shoulda put his starters back in and gone for a score of 100+ to 0 that'd a been hilarious
(my high schoool team sucked nut bbut nvr lost by 50
and my college team just had its first winning season since joining division 2 football so i've seen bad football teams b4)

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Bridgeport Central is one of the largest public high schools in CT. Bridgeport is the largest city in CT. There are small private high schools that year after recruit for football that play larger public schools because they are competitive. The whole point of leagues is to put tteams in clusters where they are competitive with each other.

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Team.m...D-2e1261eb-a589-473f-b6c4-16231d13cd9e

So is Bassick a public or private school?

They are both public

Bassick -1227 students

central - 2217 students

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Football is a different beast. One missed tackle can make the difference between a loss and 6 points. It's not like other sports because you can rack up the score very quickly based on a single event.

One play isn't just 6 points. You are underplaying your own side, BigJ. One play could be up to a 16 point swing in football. And 16 points will win many football games.

A very common situation is when team X gets two touchdowns (14 points) and Team Y gets two field goals (6 points). There are just a few minutes left in the game. Team Y has the ball, with 1 yard to go for a touchdown. If Team Y scores, it will go for 2, and could get 8 points, in a 14/14 tie. If Team Y fumbles, and Team X picks it up and runs it back, the score is now 20/6. If Team Y chooses to take 2 points, it'll be a 22/6 game. The difference between 14/14 tie and 22/6 game is 16 points. True, in most cases, they'd just kick the extra point for 15 point net gain on one play. But, theoretically a 16 point change is possible.

One missed tackle isn't just 6 points, it is up to a 16 net point change.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: BigJ

The majority of HS football leagues are grouped based on school population.

Not really, they're based on geographic area. I used to play against those two schools, they were in the same league with my high school which was made up of teams surrounding Bridgeport Connecticut. Central, Bassick, Harding and Bullard Havens Tech were all doormat schools in football. They had great basketball teams and lousy football teams, in football they were routinely pummeled by much smaller schools, including mine. We were a Class S (small school) football powerhouse and could beat Central or Bassick by 50 points if we left our first and second string at home and started the third stringers. That was the way it was. The 3rd stringers looked forward to those games because that was when they got to play. They worked their butts off all year and never got into close games against our big rivals. The games against weak teams was their only chance. You simply can't get your third stringers into a game and tell them to take a knee because the other team sucks too bad.

The coach of Central did everything he could to be fair, suspending him makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a competitive sport.

You said you were Class S, right? Which you said is small school football. That's my point.

It's a given they're going to initially divide the schools into area (do you really want to be travelling 200 miles to play another small school?) but after that, who you play is usually based on school size/population.

We were class S, Central and Bassick were both Class L, maybe Central was LL at the time, I'm not sure. The league we were in was the now-defunct MBIAC. The Metropolitan Bridgeport Interschoolastic Athletic Conference. It was made up of Class S, Class M, Class L and Class LL schools and was formed SOLELY on the basis of geography, YOUR POINT WAS 100% WRONG.

In Connecticut leagues are not formed by size of the student body, they're formed by location so that teams don't have to drive 3 hours after school to play games. All teams play all other league teams equally, straight up regardless of size. Some teams are great in one sport and crappy in others. Central, Bassick and Harding are useless in football, they suck year after year after year, although Central has made some recent improvements. They're great basketball schools and Harding is one of the elite programs in the state and is often ranked as one of the best teams in the country. They easily win games by 50-80 points even without their starters playing heavy minutes. It all evens out. Some schools dominate in football, some dominate in basketball and some in baseball or soccer or swimming. When I played against those schools the two best football teams in the league were a Class S (us) and a Class L (our arch rival). None of the class LL teams could compete with us, we blew them out easily and size had nothing to do with it.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Bridgeport Central is one of the largest public high schools in CT. Bridgeport is the largest city in CT. There are small private high schools that year after recruit for football that play larger public schools because they are competitive. The whole point of leagues is to put tteams in clusters where they are competitive with each other.

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Team.m...D-2e1261eb-a589-473f-b6c4-16231d13cd9e

So is Bassick a public or private school?

They are both public

Bassick -1227 students

central - 2217 students

Those numbers differences aren't unheard of in Alabama or Georgia. As others said, you divide the schools up geographically and then put the numerically similar schools together. Sometimes, one school will outgrow others but you have to keep them in that same division because there is no where else for that school to go. The only thing left to do is for the school system to build a new school and split up the large school.

This happened in Tuscaloosa, AL with their Central High while I was at the University of Alabama. It also happened with Hoover High in Alabama but they kept growing and are so large that they could be split once or twice now.

BTW, Bassick is so supportive of their football team that they don't even list it on their website....

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: BigJ

The majority of HS football leagues are grouped based on school population.

Not really, they're based on geographic area. I used to play against those two schools, they were in the same league with my high school which was made up of teams surrounding Bridgeport Connecticut. Central, Bassick, Harding and Bullard Havens Tech were all doormat schools in football. They had great basketball teams and lousy football teams, in football they were routinely pummeled by much smaller schools, including mine. We were a Class S (small school) football powerhouse and could beat Central or Bassick by 50 points if we left our first and second string at home and started the third stringers. That was the way it was. The 3rd stringers looked forward to those games because that was when they got to play. They worked their butts off all year and never got into close games against our big rivals. The games against weak teams was their only chance. You simply can't get your third stringers into a game and tell them to take a knee because the other team sucks too bad.

The coach of Central did everything he could to be fair, suspending him makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a competitive sport.

You said you were Class S, right? Which you said is small school football. That's my point.

It's a given they're going to initially divide the schools into area (do you really want to be travelling 200 miles to play another small school?) but after that, who you play is usually based on school size/population.

We were class S, Central and Bassick were both Class L. The league we were in was the non defunct MBIAC. The Metropolitan Bridgeport Interschoolastic Athletic Conference. It was made up of Class S, Class M and Class L and Class LL schools and was formed SOLELY on the basis of geopgrahy, YOUR POINT WAS 100% WRONG.

In Connecticut leagues are not formed by size of the student body, they're formed by location so that teams don't have to drive 3 hours after school to play games. All teams play all other league teams equally, straight up regardless of size. Some teams are great in one sport and crappy in others. Central, Bassick and Harding are useless in football, they suck year after year after year, although Central has made some recent improvements. They're great basketball schools and Harding is one of the elite programs in the state and is often ranked as one of the best teams in the country. They easily win games by 50-80 points even without their starters playing heavy minutes. It all evens out. Some schools dominate in football, some dominate in basketball and some in baseball or soccer or swimming. When I played against those schools the two best football teams in the league were a Class S (us) and a Class L (our arch rival). None of the class LL teams could compete with us, we blew them out easily and size had nothing to do with it.

And that's just in Connecticut. On Long Island, all public schools are divided first into counties, then based on size. So in LI, my point is 100% CORRECT. I'm pretty sure upstate NY is the same way.

I know from my friends here in Maryland, they were also divided up by population.

Hell, look up Oregon's new six-tier athletics system. Divided it up so larger schools play larger schools, and smaller play smaller.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: BigJ

The majority of HS football leagues are grouped based on school population.

Not really, they're based on geographic area. I used to play against those two schools, they were in the same league with my high school which was made up of teams surrounding Bridgeport Connecticut. Central, Bassick, Harding and Bullard Havens Tech were all doormat schools in football. They had great basketball teams and lousy football teams, in football they were routinely pummeled by much smaller schools, including mine. We were a Class S (small school) football powerhouse and could beat Central or Bassick by 50 points if we left our first and second string at home and started the third stringers. That was the way it was. The 3rd stringers looked forward to those games because that was when they got to play. They worked their butts off all year and never got into close games against our big rivals. The games against weak teams was their only chance. You simply can't get your third stringers into a game and tell them to take a knee because the other team sucks too bad.

The coach of Central did everything he could to be fair, suspending him makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a competitive sport.

You said you were Class S, right? Which you said is small school football. That's my point.

It's a given they're going to initially divide the schools into area (do you really want to be travelling 200 miles to play another small school?) but after that, who you play is usually based on school size/population.

We were class S, Central and Bassick were both Class L. The league we were in was the non defunct MBIAC. The Metropolitan Bridgeport Interschoolastic Athletic Conference. It was made up of Class S, Class M and Class L and Class LL schools and was formed SOLELY on the basis of geopgrahy, YOUR POINT WAS 100% WRONG.

In Connecticut leagues are not formed by size of the student body, they're formed by location so that teams don't have to drive 3 hours after school to play games. All teams play all other league teams equally, straight up regardless of size. Some teams are great in one sport and crappy in others. Central, Bassick and Harding are useless in football, they suck year after year after year, although Central has made some recent improvements. They're great basketball schools and Harding is one of the elite programs in the state and is often ranked as one of the best teams in the country. They easily win games by 50-80 points even without their starters playing heavy minutes. It all evens out. Some schools dominate in football, some dominate in basketball and some in baseball or soccer or swimming. When I played against those schools the two best football teams in the league were a Class S (us) and a Class L (our arch rival). None of the class LL teams could compete with us, we blew them out easily and size had nothing to do with it.

this supports my opinion that they shouldnt create a new blow out rule but instead re-evaluate how they form leagues in order to make them more competitive. One school shouldnt dominate the entire league year after year after year in basketball or football. They should have to play tougher teams.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: BigJ
Football is a different beast. One missed tackle can make the difference between a loss and 6 points. It's not like other sports because you can rack up the score very quickly based on a single event.

One play isn't just 6 points. You are underplaying your own side, BigJ. One play could be up to a 16 point swing in football. And 16 points will win many football games.

A very common situation is when team X gets two touchdowns (14 points) and Team Y gets two field goals (6 points). There are just a few minutes left in the game. Team Y has the ball, with 1 yard to go for a touchdown. If Team Y scores, it will go for 2, and could get 8 points, in a 14/14 tie. If Team Y fumbles, and Team X picks it up and runs it back, the score is now 20/6. If Team Y chooses to take 2 points, it'll be a 22/6 game. The difference between 14/14 tie and 22/6 game is 16 points. True, in most cases, they'd just kick the extra point for 15 point net gain on one play. But, theoretically a 16 point change is possible.

One missed tackle isn't just 6 points, it is up to a 16 net point change.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Bridgeport Central is one of the largest public high schools in CT. Bridgeport is the largest city in CT. There are small private high schools that year after recruit for football that play larger public schools because they are competitive. The whole point of leagues is to put tteams in clusters where they are competitive with each other.

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Team.m...D-2e1261eb-a589-473f-b6c4-16231d13cd9e

So is Bassick a public or private school?

They are both public

Bassick -1227 students

central - 2217 students

Those numbers differences aren't unheard of in Alabama or Georgia. As others said, you divide the schools up geographically and then put the numerically similar schools together. Sometimes, one school will outgrow others but you have to keep them in that same division because there is no where else for that school to go. The only thing left to do is for the school system to build a new school and split up the large school.

This happened in Tuscaloosa, AL with their Central High while I was at the University of Alabama. It also happened with Hoover High in Alabama but they kept growing and are so large that they could be split once or twice now.

BTW, Bassick is so supportive of their football team that they don't even list it on their website....

Im not arguing anything you are saying. I am just saying that there should be an option for teams to play in a different league when they are just statistically never competitive in the league they are currently in rather than have a blow out rule.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Syringer
That said though, he did know of the rule, and as dumb as it may be he knew he'd have to face the consequences of it..

Yup, he knew the rule. I wonder at what point he put his third string guys in?

Pussification of America continues with many resident ATers loving it. :roll:

 

[Juno]

Originally posted by: BigJ
The majority of HS football leagues are grouped based on school population.

it doesn't matter. if small school dominates in a sport for decades, they should move up.

my high school boys lacrosse team dominates every year since early 80s. high school student body = 500. they are in the top conference with the other perennial powerhouses (their school student body also do varies.)

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: BigJ
On Long Island, all public schools are divided first into counties, then based on size. So in LI, my point is 100% CORRECT. I'm pretty sure upstate NY is the same way.

Yes it is. I went to HS in central NY and schools are grouped by geographical area, then leagues are formed based on school size. Also, I think it might be possible for certain sports to move up a class if they're too dominant at their current class.....but I'm not 100% sure.

-Tom

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: loup garou
Oh, blowing out. I read that wrong. :Q

LOL

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
The pussification of America continues...

agreed! :|

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: BigJ
On Long Island, all public schools are divided first into counties, then based on size. So in LI, my point is 100% CORRECT. I'm pretty sure upstate NY is the same way.

Yes it is. I went to HS in central NY and schools are grouped by geographical area, then leagues are formed based on school size. Also, I think it might be possible for certain sports to move up a class if they're too dominant at their current class.....but I'm not 100% sure.

-Tom

Yep, I've heard of teams moving up but never of a team moving down unless it was because of a population decrease in a school.

There was actually a story a few years back about a private school in Georgia that was dominating in a public school division. Some local politician/booster got upset over this and conspired to force the private school out of the division.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: BigJ
On Long Island, all public schools are divided first into counties, then based on size. So in LI, my point is 100% CORRECT. I'm pretty sure upstate NY is the same way.

Yes it is. I went to HS in central NY and schools are grouped by geographical area, then leagues are formed based on school size. Also, I think it might be possible for certain sports to move up a class if they're too dominant at their current class.....but I'm not 100% sure.

-Tom

Yep, I've heard of teams moving up but never of a team moving down unless it was because of a population decrease in a school.

There was actually a story a few years back about a private school in Georgia that was dominating in a public school division. Some local politician/booster got upset over this and conspired to force the private school out of the division.

that does make sense since private HS have the ability to RECRUIT.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Pussification of America continues with many resident ATers loving it. :roll:

Oh, please! They all wear helmets and pants and such now, and aren't allowed to bring their own weapons onto the field with them. Now THAT"S pussification!

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Pussification of America continues with many resident ATers loving it. :roll:

Oh, please! They all wear helmets and pants and such now, and aren't allowed to bring their own weapons onto the field with them. Now THAT"S pussification!

I was suspended for 3 games for bringing a hand grenade onto the field

 

[Kelemvor]

I hope all the football teams in the conference boycott the next game if the guy gets suspended.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: BigJ
I was suspended for 3 games for bringing a hand grenade onto the field

Probably another misguided attempt to prevent a 'blow-out'. :disgust:

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: BigJ

The majority of HS football leagues are grouped based on school population.

Not really, they're based on geographic area. I used to play against those two schools, they were in the same league with my high school which was made up of teams surrounding Bridgeport Connecticut. Central, Bassick, Harding and Bullard Havens Tech were all doormat schools in football. They had great basketball teams and lousy football teams, in football they were routinely pummeled by much smaller schools, including mine. We were a Class S (small school) football powerhouse and could beat Central or Bassick by 50 points if we left our first and second string at home and started the third stringers. That was the way it was. The 3rd stringers looked forward to those games because that was when they got to play. They worked their butts off all year and never got into close games against our big rivals. The games against weak teams was their only chance. You simply can't get your third stringers into a game and tell them to take a knee because the other team sucks too bad.

The coach of Central did everything he could to be fair, suspending him makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a competitive sport.

You said you were Class S, right? Which you said is small school football. That's my point.

It's a given they're going to initially divide the schools into area (do you really want to be travelling 200 miles to play another small school?) but after that, who you play is usually based on school size/population.

We were class S, Central and Bassick were both Class L. The league we were in was the non defunct MBIAC. The Metropolitan Bridgeport Interschoolastic Athletic Conference. It was made up of Class S, Class M and Class L and Class LL schools and was formed SOLELY on the basis of geopgrahy, YOUR POINT WAS 100% WRONG.

In Connecticut leagues are not formed by size of the student body, they're formed by location so that teams don't have to drive 3 hours after school to play games. All teams play all other league teams equally, straight up regardless of size. Some teams are great in one sport and crappy in others. Central, Bassick and Harding are useless in football, they suck year after year after year, although Central has made some recent improvements. They're great basketball schools and Harding is one of the elite programs in the state and is often ranked as one of the best teams in the country. They easily win games by 50-80 points even without their starters playing heavy minutes. It all evens out. Some schools dominate in football, some dominate in basketball and some in baseball or soccer or swimming. When I played against those schools the two best football teams in the league were a Class S (us) and a Class L (our arch rival). None of the class LL teams could compete with us, we blew them out easily and size had nothing to do with it.

And that's just in Connecticut. On Long Island, all public schools are divided first into counties, then based on size. So in LI, my point is 100% CORRECT. I'm pretty sure upstate NY is the same way.

Too bad we're talking about Connecticut, huh? Your point is 100% INCORRECT, so grow the hell up.

 

[KLin]

My old high school blew out another team a couple weeks ago 75-0. I don't think the coach was suspended for it.