The irresponsibility began when she cruised through an intersection with clearly placed traffic cams.
mmmm kay?
The irresponsibility began when she cruised through an intersection with clearly placed traffic cams.
mmmm kay?
I never said running a red light is responsible. I still don't see how it is irresponsible to practice your rights.
That goes double when you are talking about women. Unless there are points on your license involved it is soooooo not worth it to go to court over this. If going to court means she can avoid a point or 2, then maybe it's worth it. But chances are what will happen, if the judge gives her anything at all in terms of lenience, it'll be like he'll reduce the fine by $10 and then she'll have to pay $25 in court fees. If no points are involved and you are clearly in the wrong, as it seems your wife is in this case, going to court is certainly still her right. . .it's her time and your money to waste as she sees fit I suppose. I have a feeling she will end up slightly worse off by going to court for this than if she had just admitted her mistake, paid the fine, and moved on with life.
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She didn't "cruise through" an intersection. What she did was make a right turn at a red light (which is perfectly legal in this state) without coming to a complete stop.
I've been to traffic court for 7 different moving violations and never been displeased with any of the results. I've only fought the charges once (was being tailgated and didn't see the light start to change). The other times I've had the charges dropped, fine dropped or been given traffic school for now points on the record. It may not be worth it to fight the ticket, but it's definitely $$$$ worth it to ask for reduced fines.
When you're guilty as hell, you're gaming the system by trying to avoid your consequences.
How is that a responsible use of those rights?
These rights were codified to avoid transgressions by the Government upon the citizens.
I fail to see how a red light ticket is any of that.
BrunoPuntzJones
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It isn't always about avoiding the consequences. I know in my area, going to Court will save you money on the fine, often times quite a bit. I'd personally feel like an idiot not going to Court and throwing away my money.
TehMac
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That is incredibly petty. Not stopping to turn right on red? Can you believe how many people do that? I personally stop all the way because it's a good idea and I'm not a woman driver, but seriously, that is pretty petty. Where was it approximately? Around Encinitas?
meltdown75
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moshquerade
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I don't know if it's been mentioned, but those same hidden traffic cams have caught people red handed having affairs.
So...you never told us: Since she's seen the video, does she at least admit to you now that she didn't stop?
That is so stupid.
If I rob an ATM it is just the camera accusing me as well! Why don't I just get a warning?
Also by the stupid logic of Florida if I kill someone I should never be able to be found guilty of murder (assuming no one sees) because I can't face my accuser in court! After all they are dead so my defense can never get to cross examine them!
The use of traffic monitoring cameras to issue citations against drivers was declared unconstitutional in MN and the Minneapolis "red light cam" system shut down after a cited motorist took issue with the law and filed a complaint via the ACLU.
http://www.mncourts.gov/docume.../Public/News/Plaintiff's_Response_to_Defendant's_Motion_to_Reopen_a_Paid_or_Diverted_Stop_on_Red_Citation.pdf
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/13/1356.asp
http://www.mncourts.gov/docume.../Public/News/Plaintiff's_Response_to_Defendant's_Motion_to_Reopen_a_Paid_or_Diverted_Stop_on_Red_Citation.pdf
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/13/1356.asp
OutHouse
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i just went to traffic court on wed for a accident i was in. before court started the judge told us that if you were there for a red light camera ticket you are wasting your time.
1. its a zero point ticket so you cant plea bargin with the city attorney
2. only the judge can impose the fine and she said she always gives out the max fine for red light runners
3. you can plea not guilty and go to trial, of which you will loose because there is a picture of you running the red light.
so if i was your wife i would just mail in the fine.
1. its a zero point ticket so you cant plea bargin with the city attorney
2. only the judge can impose the fine and she said she always gives out the max fine for red light runners
3. you can plea not guilty and go to trial, of which you will loose because there is a picture of you running the red light.
so if i was your wife i would just mail in the fine.
:thumbsup:
all that fairy BS about your rights and whatnot is annoying
I hate lame drivers that run the lights and don't stop on right red light turn. They cause T-bone and other accidents.
Actually in a murder case the accuser could be "The People" and you get to face the representative of the people, usually the ADA / DA / what have you.
Hugely different circumstances...
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