Hidden cam shows my wife running a red light

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
My wife got one and she's going to court to fight it herself. Personally, I think she's wasting her time but thought I'd ask to see if anyone here has any decent advice.

FWIW-She was turning right on red, which is legal in this state, and they say she didn't stop. There's even a video available online and I've seen it. It's pretty damning actually.

Can't wait to see the responses...

Edited-for amusing message title.

After reading the entire thread to date, especially your responses, I hope the judge throws the book at her.

She is guilty and should man up and pay her fine and not waste the court's time and the public's money.

MotionMan

 

[isekii]

ticketassassin ?

 

[dawheat]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: astroidea

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I never understood the point of fighting tickets. Speeding is against the law, auew we all do it, but we need to at least understand that if we get caught, well we have to pay the price, and thats the end of it. So pay the $250 or whatever and then its over.

It will end up costing more to fight it. Even if you win, it will cost more grief and probably more money in the end.

Erm I said speeding, but really meant traffic law violations in general.

People often fight tickets simply because you get a free fine cut if you fight it, so why not?

What?

MotionMan

It's like an assembly line - dozens of people sitting in a courtroom, bailiff calling up people one by one, judge rattling off offense and then saying, if you plead guilty I'll cut the fine to (50-75% of original ticket). The judge doesn't want to hear people's lame excuses so I'd say 80% of the time people just take it and move on.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I never understood the point of fighting tickets. Speeding is against the law, auew we all do it, but we need to at least understand that if we get caught, well we have to pay the price, and thats the end of it. So pay the $250 or whatever and then its over.

It will end up costing more to fight it. Even if you win, it will cost more grief and probably more money in the end.

Erm I said speeding, but really meant traffic law violations in general.

Clearly you know nothing about traffic court.

I'm not saying that we should fight every infraction, but in cases where they might jack your insurance rates through the roof, it makes sense to try and keep it off your record and possibly get a fine reduction.

However, for a red-light cameras, I believe no points go on your license...if she didn't at least slow down and check for traffic before turning, and if they have a video showing this, don't bother to fight it.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Linux23
Is this a moving violation?

Yes, running a red light is a moving violation...and a $375 fine.

With an automated camera?

Your state has Nazi lawmakers.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: astroidea

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I never understood the point of fighting tickets. Speeding is against the law, auew we all do it, but we need to at least understand that if we get caught, well we have to pay the price, and thats the end of it. So pay the $250 or whatever and then its over.

It will end up costing more to fight it. Even if you win, it will cost more grief and probably more money in the end.

Erm I said speeding, but really meant traffic law violations in general.

People often fight tickets simply because you get a free fine cut if you fight it, so why not?

What?

MotionMan

It's like an assembly line - dozens of people sitting in a courtroom, bailiff calling up people one by one, judge rattling off offense and then saying, if you plead guilty I'll cut the fine to (50-75% of original ticket). The judge doesn't want to hear people's lame excuses so I'd say 80% of the time people just take it and move on.

I would not count on that 100% of the time. I have seen the exact opposite happen, when the judge starts to pile it on because the accused pissed him off. The fine is the least of your problems if you get a judge who woke up on the wrong side of the bench that day.

MotionMan

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: astroidea

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I never understood the point of fighting tickets. Speeding is against the law, auew we all do it, but we need to at least understand that if we get caught, well we have to pay the price, and thats the end of it. So pay the $250 or whatever and then its over.

It will end up costing more to fight it. Even if you win, it will cost more grief and probably more money in the end.

Erm I said speeding, but really meant traffic law violations in general.

People often fight tickets simply because you get a free fine cut if you fight it, so why not?

What?

MotionMan

It's like an assembly line - dozens of people sitting in a courtroom, bailiff calling up people one by one, judge rattling off offense and then saying, if you plead guilty I'll cut the fine to (50-75% of original ticket). The judge doesn't want to hear people's lame excuses so I'd say 80% of the time people just take it and move on.

but you also have to pay court fees

 

[Pacfanweb]

So since she's seen herself not stopping for the light, she STILL wants to go fight it? Does she at least admit that she didn't stop?

Only possible play here is if they offer to reduce the charge to say, unsafe movement. Running a stop sign or light here is 3 points. Unsafe movement is, I think, 2. But if they have video evidence, they might not even offer that. They'll almost always offer to reduce a speeding charge, but not sure about red lights.

 

[Mahaguru]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Count to three. If she's not still stopped at the white line, she doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.

Around here, the red light cameras are privately operated with the government getting 25% of the take, and no chance to fight it.

What's next, private police and court which gives the govt 25% of the fines collected?

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
It's pretty clear that she didn't stop despite her insistence that she ALWAYS stops at red lights.

Damn she must be a stubborn bonehead if they have it crystal clear on video and she says something like that...

 

[KK]

if its going to give her points, then try and get those reduced. you'd be a fool to not try. money wise, it's all on what she thinks her time is worth. the system is put in place to have some leeway at times, you may as well give it a try.

 

[sandorski]

Some chick almost ran me over the other day after running a Red Light. :|

 

[randay]

the video is lying! i stopped!

 

[paulney]

Imagine this: she goes to court, and the judge says: "oh yeah, you are that broad that planted an American flag on my lawn..."

 

[Sluggo]

Honestly, are you going to believe your wife or your lying eyes?




BTW, for you unmarried guys the correct answer is believe your wife.

 

[olds]

Topic Title: Hidden cam shows my wife running a red light

Why do they use hidden cams? The ones I have seen are always right out in the open.

 

[Xylitol]

shes wasting time and money
and that attorney is milking her like a cashcow

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
shes wasting time and money
and that attorney is milking her like a cashcow

Did the light turn red BEFORE she entered the intersection? If her front bumper was over the crosswalk before the light actually turned red, she will be cleared. She doesn't need an attorney, only the information about where her car was when the light turned.

 

[EKKC]

pay it. you cant fight camera tickets. be glad that they dont need you to fill in the drivers' info (unlike some other countries) and get you points on the record (expensive insurance FTL)

 

[Schfifty Five]

This reminds me of an episode of Malcom in the Middle. Malcom's mom was given a citation for not yielding to the right of way and they caught her on camera. But given a 2nd video from a different angle atually showed that she was correct from the start and did nothing wrong. Great episode.

 

[JC86]

Here's some real advice: DO NOT LET YOUR WIFE ADMIT THAT SHE WAS THE DRIVER. Once she does, she's cooked and the court has all the other evidence it needs to nail your wife.

Here in California, once you get the ticket, you can request a written not guilty plea. Choose that option. Have your wife write a letter to the court not denying but not admitting that she was the driver. She's basically pleading the fifth. Say a lot of people drive the car, your sister, in laws, whatever and that your wife cannot recall whether she was the driver of the vehicle at the time. CLAIM THAT THE SINCE NO PEACE OFFICER PULLED HER OVER AND IDENTIFIED HER AS THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE AT THE TIME, THE COURT MUST DISMISS THIS CASE BECAUSE A BLURRY PICTURE OR THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE VEHICLE ARE NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO IDENTIFY YOUR WIFE AS THE DRIVER. You'll have to first post bail but once the court dismisses the case, the record will be wiped and bail refunded.

This applies to any camera ticket because the only evidence linking you to the driver is the vehicle registration and some blurry photos. That is not enough evidence to hold up in court and the court will have no option but to dismiss your case. I was able to get out of a red light ticket by using this method.

 

[imported_Mike]

Hidden? All the camera intersections are well known. She should know better...

 

[OS]

ticketassassin.com

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: JC86
Here's some real advice: DO NOT LET YOUR WIFE ADMIT THAT SHE WAS THE DRIVER. Once she does, she's cooked and the court has all the other evidence it needs to nail your wife.

Here in California, once you get the ticket, you can request a written not guilty plea. Choose that option. Have your wife write a letter to the court not denying but not admitting that she was the driver. She's basically pleading the fifth. Say a lot of people drive the car, your sister, in laws, whatever and that your wife cannot recall whether she was the driver of the vehicle at the time. CLAIM THAT THE SINCE NO PEACE OFFICER PULLED HER OVER AND IDENTIFIED HER AS THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE AT THE TIME, THE COURT MUST DISMISS THIS CASE BECAUSE A BLURRY PICTURE OR THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE VEHICLE ARE NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO IDENTIFY YOUR WIFE AS THE DRIVER. You'll have to first post bail but once the court dismisses the case, the record will be wiped and bail refunded.

This applies to any camera ticket because the only evidence linking you to the driver is the vehicle registration and some blurry photos. That is not enough evidence to hold up in court and the court will have no option but to dismiss your case. I was able to get out of a red light ticket by using this method.

The only truly useful advice here so far.

 

[Squisher]

I've got a wife and daughter that are disoriented when it comes to where our house sits in relation to its surroundings, like which way is Main Street, the e-way, North, south, etc.

They are always pointing and saying something like I was going toward Main Street and I'm always having to say Main Street is that way, usually about 120 degrees from where their pointing. It's infuriating.

Getting to my point:

I sat my wife down in front of Google Earth and showed her our house in satellite view and how it sat in relation to the other stuff and she said that the pictures were doctored by the government. It wasn't until I mentioned that here in our house was the only place on earth that sun set in the South, that she really didn't have anything to say.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: JC86
Here's some real advice: DO NOT LET YOUR WIFE ADMIT THAT SHE WAS THE DRIVER. Once she does, she's cooked and the court has all the other evidence it needs to nail your wife.

Here in California, once you get the ticket, you can request a written not guilty plea. Choose that option. Have your wife write a letter to the court not denying but not admitting that she was the driver. She's basically pleading the fifth. Say a lot of people drive the car, your sister, in laws, whatever and that your wife cannot recall whether she was the driver of the vehicle at the time. CLAIM THAT THE SINCE NO PEACE OFFICER PULLED HER OVER AND IDENTIFIED HER AS THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE AT THE TIME, THE COURT MUST DISMISS THIS CASE BECAUSE A BLURRY PICTURE OR THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE VEHICLE ARE NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO IDENTIFY YOUR WIFE AS THE DRIVER. You'll have to first post bail but once the court dismisses the case, the record will be wiped and bail refunded.

This applies to any camera ticket because the only evidence linking you to the driver is the vehicle registration and some blurry photos. That is not enough evidence to hold up in court and the court will have no option but to dismiss your case. I was able to get out of a red light ticket by using this method.

The only truly useful advice here so far.

problem is they will still find you guilty most of the time. This might work if you appeal but that probable cost as much as ticket. But in CA I think if affects your insurance so it might be worth it.

In NC i think it was $50 and no points as they treat it like a parking ticket. i.e. the ticket is to the car and has to be paid by the car owner. One guy fought it so far they agreed to drop it and pay his bills as he was about to make the courts tose out all the red tickets. Then soem cities pulled back the cameras after the courts made them give most of the money to the school system. Probalem is that was beofre they paid the company to give the ticket so every red ticket cost the city money.


But at leat in NC the cameras are big and even signs saying the intersection has a red camera. That way they can still say its about safety. But a hidden camera just screams money grab!!!