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Steeplerot

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Guess what? Noone has to provide anything on this forum, you think these neocons served? why? because they fits your image of some ate up all-amerikan counterstrike anti-terrorist, thats why.

Sorry buddy, it takes all kinds. Matter of fact, the more gi joe one is the less I would expect them to have been in the service actually. If they did they are most likely some fobbit pumping smoke up your ass about what a hero they are.

I know your a nub here and all but we already did a few polls and it shows that the posters that tend to lean left have more servicemembers then the righties who mostly talk the talk but stayed home.

Typical, and it shows irl too.

BTW, do you EVER contribute to the forum or just come in to disrupt and be a drama queen?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
This falls under the primary concern, cultural replacement.

Then again, some apparently despise the America they grew up in so anything must be better than that. Radio stations are a minor example of the greater issues of our culture dying; there are much more obvious issues with it such as language and poverty/crime rates than what their people listen to on the radio.

Horror of horrors! American culture is changing! Next thing you know there won't be any swing on the radio. And to think, it's being driven by capitalists exploiting new markets!

Personally, I think that any change in the radio music scene is good. Rock stations have fossilized w/ endless repetition of the same 70s/80s classic rock from coast to coast. Squeezes out airtime for anything new. Country stations are also in a rut... oldie...oldie...oldie..some godawful god and flag schmaltz that would never see airtime but for the reference to god and flag...oldie...oldie.oldie. If American culture means anything, it means innovation and change.
Hey us upscale traditionalists just switch over to Sat Radio. Leave the testicle..err..terrestrial stations to the illegals and droopy pants wiggers.

Wow, I didn't realize the use of the word, "wiggers," was acceptable here at AT forums. :Q
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Am I the only one for finds the thread title offensive?

'Hick' is a derogatory term.
If wrote this thread under the title "Spics have something to be grateful about" about how long would it last before someone freaked out?

Yet another example of the bias against redneck/southerners. The only group in America that you can make fun of without people taking offense.
Actually it's you who are being derisive as it's you who's claiming that only whites and southerners can be Rednecks and Hicks.

As someone who used the word, "wiggers," in this thread, don't you think the statement you just made is quite hypocritical?

Maybe you can explain your "broad" definition of the word, "wigger?" :p
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: jrenz
The moderators only venture in here every couple weeks anyway, so anything goes.

LOL, I think about half the posts in P&N are made by Moderators. :p
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: jrenz

He claimed to have served active duty for 4 years starting at age 17. He's refused to provide any iota of proof to this fact.

This is a forum on teh internets, get over it, I have no obligation to provide my resume or discharge papers for a bunch of you idiots.


You calling someone an idiot is like Red calling someone old. ;)


:p
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Guess what? Noone has to provide anything on this forum,

Then why do you accuse others of lying in just about every other one of your posts? Seems like you expect them to prove themselves.

Sorry buddy, it takes all kinds. Matter of fact, the more gi joe one is the less I would expect them to have been in the service actually. If they did they are most likely some fobbit pumping smoke up your ass about what a hero they are.

And when somebody claims to be in the service just to try and prove their point, and consistently avoids providing any evidence, and instead resorts to a stream of personal attacks, the less I would expect them to have served. There are many people here, including myself, who are proud of our service, and for a lot of people it is their life, but according to you, being proud of that fact is indicative to their never having served. Great logic there.

I know your a nub here and all but we already did a few polls and it shows that the posters that tend to lean left have more servicemembers then the righties who mostly talk the talk but stayed home.

We're not talking about service members' political leanings. We're talking about your lying about having served to further your own adolescent agenda.

Typical, and it shows irl too.

BTW, do you EVER contribute to the forum or just come in to disrupt and be a drama queen?

What have you contributed, other than personal attacks and lies?
 

Steeplerot

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So when did I say Chavez was a "hero"? Wishful thinking on your part.

Quit threadcrapping already, you have nothing to contribute quit trying to up your postcount.

If you want to join my fanclub pay up or piss off.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
So when did I say Chavez was a "hero"? Wishful thinking on your part.

Quit threadcrapping already, you have nothing to contribute quit trying to up your postcount.

If you want to join my fanclub pay up or piss off.

Oh, you can dish it out, but can't take it, can you?

Go get me some coffee.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Am I the only one for finds the thread title offensive?

'Hick' is a derogatory term.
If wrote this thread under the title "Spics have something to be grateful about" about how long would it last before someone freaked out?

Yet another example of the bias against redneck/southerners. The only group in America that you can make fun of without people taking offense.
Actually it's you who are being derisive as it's you who's claiming that only whites and southerners can be Rednecks and Hicks.

As someone who used the word, "wiggers," in this thread, don't you think the statement you just made is quite hypocritical?

Maybe you can explain your "broad" definition of the word, "wigger?" :p
Yeah Meth Addicts as they are always "Wigged Out" on speed. Come on Toker, you're a doper, I'm sure you've heard then refered as that before.
 

bamacre

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Am I the only one for finds the thread title offensive?

'Hick' is a derogatory term.
If wrote this thread under the title "Spics have something to be grateful about" about how long would it last before someone freaked out?

Yet another example of the bias against redneck/southerners. The only group in America that you can make fun of without people taking offense.
Actually it's you who are being derisive as it's you who's claiming that only whites and southerners can be Rednecks and Hicks.

As someone who used the word, "wiggers," in this thread, don't you think the statement you just made is quite hypocritical?

Maybe you can explain your "broad" definition of the word, "wigger?" :p
Yeah Meth Addicts as they are always "Wigged Out" on speed. Come on Toker, you're a doper, I'm sure you've heard then refered as that before.

Nope. I think they are called twiggers. :p

I never hung out with anyone who did meth. Really not even coke, in fact I never even tried it. Been around it some, didn't mind it really, but I was afraid I'd like it too much. I think when I was around it, it was around the time in my life that I was already decreasing my use of pot. I did acid a handful of times, and had some great trips (including one in PCB during spring break), but a relatively bad trip at a music feastival ended that. Shrooms were cool, did that a few times. These days though, I stick to beer, Jack, some red wine, and in fact, rarely partake in the herb. Being self-employed and working out of home pretty much ended my pothead days. Gotta keep a clear head.
 

Termagant

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Will the US see a resurgence of KKK type white supremacist groups fighting immigration like they did in the early 20th Century? We see in this very thread that many feel Spanish immigrants have inferior culture and tastes, and sully the culture of America with their very presence.

As Hispanics grow to become majorities in many places will we see renewed backlash in the form of violence, discrimination, and hate, or will the new white minority be repressed? Will white enclaves be formed in rural areas?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah Meth Addicts as they are always "Wigged Out" on speed. Come on Toker, you're a doper, I'm sure you've heard then refered as that before.

Nope. I think they are called twiggers. :p
Must be a regional thing.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Termagant
Will the US see a resurgence of KKK type white supremacist groups fighting immigration like they did in the early 20th Century? We see in this very thread that many feel Spanish immigrants have inferior culture and tastes, and sully the culture of America with their very presence.

As Hispanics grow to become majorities in many places will we see renewed backlash in the form of violence, discrimination, and hate, or will the new white minority be repressed? Will white enclaves be formed in rural areas?

Not from where I stand. I hate to generalize, but I did work in few call centers (in Memphis), and in my experience, the Hispanic workers did a damn good job compared to the African Americans. Again, that is a big generalization, and I can certainly remember exceptions.

I try my best to judge people on who they are individually rather than anything else, i.e., skin color, religious beliefs, nationality, but there are certainly ignorant and inexperienced people out there that may prove you right. I hope not though. Racism is certainly a negative aspect of society. It has no borders either. Unfortunately it is a result of fear, inexperience, and just plain ignorance.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Termagant
Will the US see a resurgence of KKK type white supremacist groups fighting immigration like they did in the early 20th Century? We see in this very thread that many feel Spanish immigrants have inferior culture and tastes, and sully the culture of America with their very presence.

As Hispanics grow to become majorities in many places will we see renewed backlash in the form of violence, discrimination, and hate, or will the new white minority be repressed? Will white enclaves be formed in rural areas?

The positive benefits of immigration in the past are due to the fact that immigrants assimilated themselves into the American culture. They combined their own cultural traits with those of America and became Americans. The illegal Mexican immigrants coming into America these days have, for the most part, no interest in becoming Americans. They refuse to adapt their ways to the American culture, instead forming a sub-culture within our own borders, and insisting that we instead adapt to suit them. That is the issue at hand for most people.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah Meth Addicts as they are always "Wigged Out" on speed. Come on Toker, you're a doper, I'm sure you've heard then refered as that before.

Nope. I think they are called twiggers. :p
Must be a regional thing.

Vanilla Ice sure was popular on the national level. :laugh:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah Meth Addicts as they are always "Wigged Out" on speed. Come on Toker, you're a doper, I'm sure you've heard then refered as that before.

Nope. I think they are called twiggers. :p
Must be a regional thing.

Vanilla Ice sure was popular on the national level. :laugh:
Ice baby Ice!

 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Maybe you can explain your "broad" definition of the word, "wigger?" :p
Yeah Meth Addicts as they are always "Wigged Out" on speed. Come on Toker, you're a doper, I'm sure you've heard then refered as that before.

Nope. I think they are called twiggers. :p
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They're called tweakers here. We need a meth map to sort this out.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Termagant
Will the US see a resurgence of KKK type white supremacist groups fighting immigration like they did in the early 20th Century? We see in this very thread that many feel Spanish immigrants have inferior culture and tastes, and sully the culture of America with their very presence.

As Hispanics grow to become majorities in many places will we see renewed backlash in the form of violence, discrimination, and hate, or will the new white minority be repressed? Will white enclaves be formed in rural areas?

The positive benefits of immigration in the past are due to the fact that immigrants assimilated themselves into the American culture. They combined their own cultural traits with those of America and became Americans. The illegal Mexican immigrants coming into America these days have, for the most part, no interest in becoming Americans. They refuse to adapt their ways to the American culture, instead forming a sub-culture within our own borders, and insisting that we instead adapt to suit them. That is the issue at hand for most people.

What you describe is the usual immigrant pattern, Mom & Dad barely speak English or none, their kids speak both about equally, the grandkids mostly English. There is no American culture, it is all import!
 

babylon5

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Originally posted by: Termagant

As Hispanics grow to become majorities in many places will we see renewed backlash in the form of violence, discrimination, and hate, or will the new white minority be repressed?

Backlash, yes--with Hispanics kicking African-Americans out

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me...0,4639262.story?coll=la-home-headlines



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Interracial attacks by L.A. gangs are rising
Determining motivation behind the violence can be difficult, police say. Officials are concerned.
By Megan Garvey and Patrick McGreevy
Times Staff Writers

January 21, 2007

The headlines are among the most stark documenting gang violence. A Latino gang member, without saying a word, guns down a 14-year-old black girl standing on a sidewalk. A black gang member shoots a Latino toddler point-blank in the chest.

For the most part, though, the role racial animosity has played in gang crime has gone unexamined, largely undocumented in crime statistics and often tamped down by politicians and law enforcement officials anxious about inflaming tensions.

That changed this month when Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton and Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca all spoke with unusual candor of their concern that an increasing number of gang crimes appear to be born out of racial hatred. In a few instances, the LAPD has identified Latino gangs they say are indiscriminately targeting African American residents in what appear to be campaigns to drive blacks from some neighborhoods.

The acknowledgment by top officials, some activists say, has been a long time coming.

"What is happening is similar to small earthquakes taking place along a major fault line," said Khalid Shah, executive director of Stop the Violence Increase the Peace Foundation, who said he has heard from numerous communities across the region reporting rises in racially motivated gang attacks. "Ultimately the danger is that there will be an explosion, particularly, I think, if we put our heads in the sand and try to act like this issue isn't real."

But getting a handle on how much gang violence is rooted in racism is difficult. A Times analysis of Los Angeles Police Department statistics gives a partial picture, with numbers available only in cases in which a suspect's race is known. The tracking shows that the vast majority of the most serious gang crime remains intra-racial: Latinos attacking Latinos, blacks attacking blacks. Last year there were more than 2,700 black-on-black or Latino-on-Latino incidents compared with slightly more than 500 interracial attacks.

Intent is often unknown

Harder to determine is intent. Without an admission of motivation, and often without even a suspect to question, knowing why a victim was targeted by a gang member is difficult: Was it skin color? Did they or family members have direct ties to gangs? Was it just bad luck? Mistaken identity?

In cases where gang-related homicide, aggravated assault or robbery crossed racial lines, LAPD tracking show an 11% jump in incidents from 2002 to 2006; from 213 to 240 black-on-Latino attacks; and from 247 to 269 Latino-on-black attacks. As those interracial crimes rose, intra-racial gang attacks fell by 23%, from 3,577 to 2,780.

In a city where blacks and Latinos make up 96% of known street gang members and often live in close proximity, it would not be unexpected that the two groups account for the vast majority of interracial gang crime.

"It should be no surprise to anyone that gang members have racist tendencies," Bratton said. "Both street and prison gangs are constituted on race. But the reality is, most gang crime is motivated by greed and territory. Nevertheless, it is right that penalties are enhanced for hate crimes, and the LAPD will continue to aggressively investigate them."

While citywide statistics show small bumps in interracial attacks, some neighborhoods are seeing troubling increases.

Of the 13 attempted murders involving gang members in the West Valley since July, 10 involved black victims and Latino suspects, Lt. Tom Smart said. In many cases, the black victims were not affiliated with gangs, he said.

Still, Lt. Paul Vernon, an LAPD gang expert, said the citywide figures should be looked at in context.

Latinos and blacks are not equally represented in either the city's population or documented gang membership. About 49% of Los Angeles residents are Latino and about 10% are black, according to the most recent U.S. Census Bureau estimates. Of the city's estimated 39,000 street gang members, the LAPD reports about 56% are in Latino gangs and about 40% in black gangs.

Of homicides, aggravated assaults and robberies committed by black gang members, about two in 10 are against Latinos. About one in 10 of the crimes committed by Latino gang members are against blacks. Even with an uptick last year, gang crimes remain far below the historic highs of more than a decade ago.

Geography, identity and money remain driving forces in gang crime far more than race, law enforcement officials said.

"The vast majority of gang crimes are not based on hate, as in 'I'm going to get you because of your race.' They are based on 'You are an outsider,' " Vernon said. "Now certainly race is one thing that can distinguish an outsider, but that doesn't mean it is based on hatred of the race."

Where violent crime takes place plays a major role in the relatively comparable number of interracial crimes committed by Latino and black gang members, despite blacks making up a much smaller portion of the population. A significant number of gang crimes occurs in the Newton, Southwest, Southeast, and 77th Street divisions ? an area of the city that generated 37% of violent crime citywide last year and still has a large black population.

Those who follow gang crime caution that statistics currently kept by law enforcement make it difficult to determine specific motivations for most crimes. In hundreds of cases even the race of the suspect is unknown.

In some neighborhoods, however, racism is clearly a factor. One recent case to draw national attention is the shooting death last month of Cheryl Green, 14. Green, who was black, was allegedly targeted by 204th Street Latino gang members because of her race.

Her shooting came a little more than a week after a Latino man in the same neighborhood was shot and killed by black suspects, another incident the police believe was racially motivated.

Assistant Chief Earl Paysinger said the 204th Street gang isn't like most other gangs in the city.

"They have taken it to the extreme with utter hate. And they have become more extreme. Spraying 'No N's here' on the walls," Paysinger said.

Racial conflict is not new in Los Angeles, where long-simmering racial tensions and anger over police treatment of blacks fueled major riots in 1965 and 1992.

By the time Los Angeles erupted over the not-guilty verdicts in the Rodney G. King police beating trial, issues between white and black Los Angeles were already being overtaken by a massive demographic shift of Latinos into the region. In the early 1990s, many South Los Angeles neighborhoods had become majority Latino, a population that has continued to grow in recent years.



Coexistence is strained

With that shift came changing gang boundaries. Alex Alonso, who studies gang territories in Los Angeles and runs the website streetgangs.com, said that though rival black gangs traditionally have well-defined territories that do not overlap, Latino and black gangs had long coexisted on the same streets with little trouble.

As more and more areas changed from majority black to majority Latino ? and conversely as blacks moved into traditionally Latino areas such as Harbor Gateway and parts of the San Fernando Valley ? open conflict broke out in some cases.

At the same time, Alonso said the underlying tensions were not openly talked about, with some politicians worrying that such dialogue might inflame racial divisions.

Gang violence in general, he said, has been a difficult topic for leaders hoping to promote their areas as good places to live.

He pointed to the situation in Highland Park, where the Avenues, a notorious Latino gang, in 1995 unleashed a six-year campaign to drive African Americans out of their predominantly Latino neighborhood.

Last summer, four of the gang's leaders were found guilty in federal court of hate crimes. Three were sentenced to life in prison, and the fourth is scheduled to be sentenced Monday.

"In Highland Park no one wanted to discuss what was really going on," Alonso said. "Who knows what would have happened if they had? Maybe something would have been done sooner."

In the absence of admissions from suspects, local leaders have been quick to downplay race as motivation.

Last summer, when three Latinos, including a 12-year old boy, were killed execution-style by black suspects in South Los Angeles, Villaraigosa urged residents not to jump to conclusions although police said the victims had no gang ties and no known enemies.

"There is no information to believe that this is racially motivated," he said at the time. The case is still under investigation.

Racism often downplayed

Fernando Guerra, a Loyola Marymount professor and director for the Center for the Study of L.A., said there has been little upside for politicians in talking about the racial overtones of gang violence. The instinct, he said, is to downplay racism as a cause, in part because "it's not clear what the policy will be or even if there is a public policy that would work."

One factor in racial street violence may be long-standing racial divisions in jails and prisons. Early last year , thousands of Latino and black inmates in Los Angeles County jails engaged in a series of fights over more than a week, leaving scores injured and two black inmates dead.

As felons go in an out of jails and prisons in the state with increasing frequency, some observers worry that the strict racial divisions learned behind bars are becoming internalized.

"Given the racial dynamics of violence in prison, it would be very scary if that got transferred onto the street," said Cheryl Maxson, a UC Irvine professor who studies crime and street gangs.

Robin Toma, executive director of the Los Angeles County Human Relations Commission, called gangs a "serious problem" when it comes to hate-based crimes.

Last year, the county reported the first increase in hate crimes since 2001. But even with the jump, hate crime reports in 2005 were at their second-lowest level in the county since 1990.

And the raw numbers are still tiny in comparison with overall crime ? 69 incidents of documented gang hate crimes compared to tens of thousands of crimes reported countywide.

One step to better understanding the role of racism would be for law enforcement agencies to track and make available to researchers information about specific motivations in gang crimes when known.

"When you're talking about gang-on-gang violence, you ask, 'How much of that is part of normal gang conflicts over drugs and territory?' " Maxson said. "The question is: 'What is the role of racial conflict when you think of gang conflict.' "

On the streets, though, Alonso said both black and Latino residents in the gang neighborhoods he regularly visits have little doubt. From their perspective, he said racially motivated gang attacks have "absolutely gone up."
 

Orignal Earl

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I hear her voice, in the mornin hours she calls to me
The radio reminds me of my home far a-way
And drivin down the road I get a feeling
That I should have been home yesterday, yesterday

Country roads, take me home
To the place, I be-long
West virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

At least Faux cartoons give me a little hope