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hey, turns out Kerry's dumb too!

ValuedCustomer

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Gee, who'd a thunk it.. -- can you imagine what Kerry musta been feeling like during the campaign everytime he heard/saw/participated-in making an issue of GW's grades in college??


Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff
June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.

The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.

In his Navy application, Kerry made clear that he spent much of his college time on extracurricular activities, including the Yale Political Union, the Debating Association, soccer, hockey, fencing, and membership in the elite Skull and Bones Society. Asked to describe nonschool training that qualified him for the Navy, Kerry wrote: ''A great deal of sailing -- ocean and otherwise, including some navigation. Scuba diving. Rifle. Beginning of life saving." He said his special interests were ''filming," writing, and politics, noting that the latter subject occupied 15 hours per week.

Gaddis Smith, a retired Yale history professor who taught both Kerry and Bush, said in a telephone interview that he vividly remembers Kerry as a student during the 1964-1965 school year, when Kerry would have been a junior. However, Smith said he doesn't have a specific memory about Bush.

Based on what Smith recalls teaching that year, Kerry scored a 71 and 79 in two of Smith's courses. When Smith was told those scores, he responded: ''Uh, oh. I thought he was good student. Those aren't very good grades." To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."

Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student.

Like Kerry, Bush reportedly suffered through a difficult freshman year and then pulled his grades up.

Michael Kranish can be reached at kranish@globe.com.
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so from the pics, who do you think got laid more in school? :laugh:


 
Considering Bush was a cheerleader, I'm thinking Kerry got laid more.

Anyway, didn't we already have a thread about Kerry not being that smart?
 
Yeah just like in 2000 when they tried to make Gore look like the more intelligent of the two. But he didnt have the graduate degree because he failed 5 classes.

But there isnt an agenda in the media, nah, never.
 
Kerry is smarter. He got 4 marks for distinction his Freshman year. Bush only got 1 mark of distinction in his 4 years.
 
Originally posted by: rudder
Kerry is smarter. He got 4 marks for distinction his Freshman year. Bush only got 1 mark of distinction in his 4 years.
wow, you're right.. "discinction marks" do make one smarter. Of course being elected President of the United States twice in a row is chump change.. uh huh, you got it all figured out.

 
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Originally posted by: rudder
Kerry is smarter. He got 4 marks for distinction his Freshman year. Bush only got 1 mark of distinction in his 4 years.
wow, you're right.. "discinction marks" do make one smarter. Of course being elected President of the United States twice in a row is chump change.. uh huh, you got it all figured out.

That just means Americans are dumber than both of them. Well at least 51% of people in 2004 and Less of a majority of people in 2000. In fact this is evidence that people in this country are actually getting dumber.

"Is our children learning?" -GWB
Apparently not very well.
 
Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
Originally posted by: rudder
Kerry is smarter. He got 4 marks for distinction his Freshman year. Bush only got 1 mark of distinction in his 4 years.
wow, you're right.. "discinction marks" do make one smarter. Of course being elected President of the United States twice in a row is chump change.. uh huh, you got it all figured out.

Bush can't claim all the credit for that. He just went up and acted like the burned out redneck drunk that he is. We all know Karl Rove is the genius behind Bush's 5 years so far.
 
grades dont make people smart.
neither does getting laid.
its just that anandtech tends to have people who have trouble with both.
 
Kerry bashing, that's original...:roll:

"hey, turns out Kerry's dumb too!"
So you are saying that you think Kerry AND Bush are dumb. Good insult :laugh:

If Republicans were smart, they'd praise Kerry in hopes Dems nominate him again.
 
Originally posted by: Amplifier
Who cares, Kerry lost 1v1 when it counted.
Wow...and most people didnt know that...why don't you remind everyone a few more times...I mean this is a P&N forum...we must not keep track of US federal elections.

We need more people like you around here :roll:
 
They should have both been tossed from school. When I went to college a 2.0 for two semesters would get you kicked. These guys (Kerry in particular) were really pushing it. I have never gotten lower than a C+ in my life - and I was what could be considered a serious full time slacker. If I would have gotten this many D's I would have shot myself.

Now, the article still tries to cover for Kerry. His grades in important subjects were his worst. Bush on the other hand did OK in most core subjects, his worst grade being in Astronomy - I think we can forgive him for that. But for Kerry to damn near fail his History and PolySci classes and then act like a freaking acedemic superstar (remember Ghegis - Jenjis Khaaaan) is shameful. The guy is an idiot.


I also think that we know the smarter of the two. The one who won. I know that Bush is not the smartest guy in the world, he knows it too. At least he isn't a pompous ass-hat like Kerry.
 
Grades really don't matter, especially after 30 years. I just listen to them talk and you know who is the smarter of the 2. A real test of intelligence is to argue with someone and Bush got his butt kicked in the debates. 😀
 
If you honestly think that oratory constitutes intelligence than you are sadly mistaken. Over the years I have met many idiots that could speak, and about as many brillaint people that could not. Hell, just because Einstein could not dress himself or match color (not to mention is horrible speech patterns) would you prejudge him to be an idiot? I guess that you would, which tells me if anything, your predjudice does nothing for your intelligence.

Bush is definitely not the smartest guy in the world. He is also realistic about it and has never claimed to be. I respect someone that can at least be honest with himself over someone who knows he is an idiot and makes a greater fool trying to impress everyone with his fancy blueblood lingo.

Even more telling is that the Democrats have twice been defeated by an idiot (or chimp as some call him) and have lost two major Senate elections engineered by an idiot.


The question is: If you cannot beat this so called idiot and simpleton, what does that make you?
 
Where's the guy that was making apologies for Hersh's speaking abilities the other day?

Using the logic applied to Bush's intelligence, how many are also willing to admit that Hersh is obviously quite the ignorant moron because his public speaking skills are hideous?
 
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