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Read this small piece. Note the lying that the reporters put in so You are aware. ! question How does BP expect to gather 28 thousand barrels aday when they say the leak is half that amount . Lies upon lies . A hard trueth has arrived . No mercy no regrets. This is from MSN home page news . Read enjoy and know the devil is in their hearts.

To help gather more oil, BP is bringing in a second vessel that will increase capacity, as well as the North Sea shuttle tanker that will assist in the transport of the oil. The company previously also said it plans to switch out the current containment cap with a slightly larger one that will seal better and trap more oil.

BP is seeking to boost its capacity to collect oil to 28,000 barrels per day by next week.

"We're only at 15 (15,000 barrels) now and we'll be at 28 (28,000 barrels) next week. We're building capacity," Allen said. "They'll probably go back at that point and put a cap back on it. At some point, there'll probably have to be a transition between a containment cap and a regular cap."

A panel of scientists has estimated the leak to range from 12,000 barrels to 19,000 barrels a day, though some researchers say the number could be significantly higher.

Allen said that team is revisiting its data to try to reach a more solid estimate of the flow rate.

"I'm not going to declare victory or anything until I have hard numbers," he said
 
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NoWhereM

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You're first post...

"You mean you want the goverment to stop responding to disasters like the gulf oil spill and Katrina? I wish you guys would make up your minds."

Comparing a natural disaster vs. a business made disaster. Nonsensical.

You either chose to ignore the meaning of my posts or you didn't comprehend the meaning.

Seriously? The best you can do is print half of my first post, taking it out of context, and then parrot my words from another post back to me?

Consider this a gift from me to you. I'll explain to you why your attempt to make a distinction between Katrina and the gulf oil spill is simply pathetic.

First, Katrina was not a natural disaster but a man made disaster. You don't have to take my word for that, a court of law has already ruled the disaster was man made. http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/18/louisiana.katrina.lawsuit/index.html

Second, you seem to be under the impression that the government doesn't respond to "business made" disasters like the Deepwater Horizen spill but only natural (man made) disasters like Katrina's devastation of New Orleans. Follow the links below and I'll take you on a journey into the real world where the government is actually supposed to respond to disasters and emergencies in a timely manner. You'll notice that each page links to the next one below it in progression.

The US government Disasters and Emergencies website. http://www.usa.gov/Government/State_Local/Disasters.shtml

Federal Agencies Providing Support During Environmental Emergencies. http://www.epa.gov/emergencies/content/partners/federal.htm

The National Pollution Funds Center (NPFC). http://www.uscg.mil/npfc/

Spill Response Funding. http://www.uscg.mil/npfc/Response/default.asp

Responding to oil spills involves coordinated efforts by the Coast Guard and EPA Federal Onscene Coordinators (FOSCs), other Federal agencies, state and local governments, the responsible party (RP), and Oil Spill Response Organizations (OSROs).


This is the last time I'm going to bother responding to you. You either don't have the ability or the inclination to make a cogent argument to support your posts.

I do have one question for you, though. Do you really believe that Sarah (Drill baby drill) Palin and/or Dick (the dark side) Cheney are as responsible for the Deepwater Horizen disaster as the current administration? A yes or no as to each will suffice.
 

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Well so far this isn't Obamas fault for inaction its Bushes accordingto so many . By that reasoning its was clinton that caused all the problems with the housing bubble . Not bushes. Your lives are at stake here people . Better stop pointing fingers and look into mirror . This judgement is not against Obama but you. Obama will wallow in his own miss but he only has a year left , Befor his end comes.
 
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Originally Posted by JockoJohnson

When I was in college (18 yrs. ago), a professor made a statement that always stuck with me: America will send lawyers to find out whose fault an issue is while Japan will use engineers to fix the problem.
That is sig worthy. Mind if I use it?

You're right Blanghorst. That is an awesome quote. Thanks for pointing it out.
 

Linflas

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Not true, the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 gives the President the authority to take complete control of the spill from Day One. Obama could have stepped in from day one and ordered BP to perform the steps he (and presumably his experts) thought best, including staging subsequent efforts before we know whether or not the ongoing effort works. He could also have hired other companies to work on stopping the spill. Obviously in hind sight he should have done this, although at the time I wouldn't have thought the federal government could have done a better job. Clearly after seven weeks it's more than time to force BP aside and belatedly set up a commission of true experts. Hell, I think he even needs to get his TelePrompter on the case.


Please try to exercise more than your brain stem. These are two far left loon sites slandering Cheney by suggesting NOT that he was behind any deregulation, but that he was behind a failure to not increase regulation. There was no deregulation; Obama and the Democrats failed to increase regulation just as did Bush and the Republicans. From that you (and by "you" obviously I mean the left wing nuts that provide your "thoughts") have extrapolated blame on Cheney and Bush, just as you do on every possible issue. Hell, even a brain stem ought to be capable of better than that.


Excellent point. While this is definitely a failure of the Obama administration, it also points to failure of government as a whole and of BP as well. As the primary cause BP should be out buying and deploying all the boom available, and the MMS should be enforcing this and also purchasing all the boom available. Only after these two entities failed so spectacularly did Obama get his chance to follow them into the Land of Fail. This does go to show though why Obama is polling on this even worse than did Bush on Katrina; his response has simply been totally useless and ineffective.

Excellent post. The only thing I would add is that if he had done what I bolded above that would have required him to take real ownership of the issue, not the faux looking for an ass to kick, boot on the neck of BP, the buck stops here photo op platitudes we have seen to date but real concrete responsibility that comes with taking control of the problem. Essentially what he has done here is a Federal version of his favorite political tactic in Illinois, he voted present. I will add that I would be a lot more sympathetic to what he is grappling with here if there weren't so damned many clips floating around of him and the folks he has surrounded himself with excoriating the Bush administration over Katrina. Karma is a bitch.
 

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You guys need to look into to this further . Royal Dutch shell had rights to drill here had this not occurred . Now Royal Dutch may lose those rights . Makes one think.
 

werepossum

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Excellent post. The only thing I would add is that if he had done what I bolded above that would have required him to take real ownership of the issue, not the faux looking for an ass to kick, boot on the neck of BP, the buck stops here photo op platitudes we have seen to date but real concrete responsibility that comes with taking control of the problem. Essentially what he has done here is a Federal version of his favorite political tactic in Illinois, he voted present. I will add that I would be a lot more sympathetic to what he is grappling with here if there weren't so damned many clips floating around of him and the folks he has surrounded himself with excoriating the Bush administration over Katrina. Karma is a bitch.

Thank you. Karma is indeed a bitch.