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Yo OP, here's a moran who thinks the VP is in charge of the US Senate and sets policy there!
What a moran! :shocked:
What a moran! :shocked:
I think you misunderstood...Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
LOL YEAH FUNNY STUFF.Originally posted by: manowar821
How come so many people don't know what "moran" means?
Anyway, ZeroIQ surely does live up to his name.
"VP's only job, as defined by the constitution, is to preside over the senate and vote in the event of a tie. Oh and become the POTUS if he/she croaks. " Yet you say there is no job description...? LOL WUT.
I'm addressing the fact that people are ridiculing her for saying that she would preside over the senate and demanding she say what else she would do as if their is some of of bullet list of VP jobs.
Oh, and thanks for bringing up my name![]()
Not really...and in fact she amplifies her misunderstanding when she talks about "making policy" with the senators.Originally posted by: seemingly random
Really.
Enough with the parsing. We should give palin a little rope. The difference between presiding over the senate and being in charge of the senate is tiny - just like the difference between giving the orders "ready the nukes" and "launch the nukes".
This is a total distortion of what she said. She said the VP LEADS the senate and actively mixes it up with the senate in coming up with legislation, both of which are completely wrong. In other words, she probably read the phase "presides over the sentate" and filled in her own definition of what she thought that means. The attacks on her for this are therefore completely warranted.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
WRONG. POTUS sets the VP's job description.Originally posted by: Rainsford
Being VP isn't like applying for an office temp job, nobody hands you a job description. The fact that Palin said she didn't know what the VP did is NOT the same thing as saying the VP has no job description, it's saying SHE has no idea what she'd do with the job if she got it.
I agree with ZeroIQ that there is no set in stone job description, but that's the whole freaking point...Palin should be providing her own, not expecting one to be handed to her and acting confused when that doesn't happen.
Her answer has been, more or less, preside over the senate and she is being attacked over it.
+1Originally posted by: ironwing
This thread is not too brightening.
That is exactly what scares me about her the most. Her interpretation of her job combined with her history and everything she has been saying and doing since McCain picked her is very frightening.Originally posted by: shira
This is a total distortion of what she said. She said the VP LEADS the senate and actively mixes it up with the senate in coming up with legislation, both of which are completely wrong. In other words, she probably read the phase "presides over the sentate" and filled in her own definition of what she thought that means. The attacks on her for this are therefore completely warranted.
What I was referring to with this thread is people attacking her for WHAT ELSE she is going to do. I know she has answered once that she would set policy and work with the senators... which she could help with if asked but that's not her job. I'm pretty sure I've heard her answer the question correctly before - that she would preside over the senate.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That is exactly what scares me about her the most. Her interpretation of her job combined with her history and everything she has been saying and doing since McCain picked her is very frightening.Originally posted by: shira
This is a total distortion of what she said. She said the VP LEADS the senate and actively mixes it up with the senate in coming up with legislation, both of which are completely wrong. In other words, she probably read the phase "presides over the sentate" and filled in her own definition of what she thought that means. The attacks on her for this are therefore completely warranted.
Like any hairy primate, she's trainable to a certain extent.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
What I was referring to with this thread is people attacking her for WHAT ELSE she is going to do. I know she has answered once that she would set policy and work with the senators... which she could help with if asked but that's not her job. I'm pretty sure I've heard her answer the question correctly before - that she would preside over the senate.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That is exactly what scares me about her the most. Her interpretation of her job combined with her history and everything she has been saying and doing since McCain picked her is very frightening.Originally posted by: shira
This is a total distortion of what she said. She said the VP LEADS the senate and actively mixes it up with the senate in coming up with legislation, both of which are completely wrong. In other words, she probably read the phase "presides over the sentate" and filled in her own definition of what she thought that means. The attacks on her for this are therefore completely warranted.
That's the other half I fear. The "what else" half. We have already seen "what else" she has chosen to do after being elected into previous positions of power. I am not drawing any concrete conclusions knowing very well that I cannot predict the future, but "what else" she might do while following the trends of her past is a scary thought to say the least if she gets elected as VP.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
What I was referring to with this thread is people attacking her for WHAT ELSE she is going to do. I know she has answered once that she would set policy and work with the senators... which she could help with if asked but that's not her job. I'm pretty sure I've heard her answer the question correctly before - that she would preside over the senate.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That is exactly what scares me about her the most. Her interpretation of her job combined with her history and everything she has been saying and doing since McCain picked her is very frightening.Originally posted by: shira
This is a total distortion of what she said. She said the VP LEADS the senate and actively mixes it up with the senate in coming up with legislation, both of which are completely wrong. In other words, she probably read the phase "presides over the sentate" and filled in her own definition of what she thought that means. The attacks on her for this are therefore completely warranted.
She will do what else McCain gives her the power to do. Just as Biden will do what else Obama gives him the power to do.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That's the other half I fear. The "what else" half. We have already seen "what else" she has chosen to do after being elected into previous positions of power. I am not drawing any concrete conclusions knowing very well that I cannot predict the future, but "what else" she might do while following the trends of her past is a scary thought to say the least if she gets elected as VP.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
What I was referring to with this thread is people attacking her for WHAT ELSE she is going to do. I know she has answered once that she would set policy and work with the senators... which she could help with if asked but that's not her job. I'm pretty sure I've heard her answer the question correctly before - that she would preside over the senate.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That is exactly what scares me about her the most. Her interpretation of her job combined with her history and everything she has been saying and doing since McCain picked her is very frightening.Originally posted by: shira
This is a total distortion of what she said. She said the VP LEADS the senate and actively mixes it up with the senate in coming up with legislation, both of which are completely wrong. In other words, she probably read the phase "presides over the sentate" and filled in her own definition of what she thought that means. The attacks on her for this are therefore completely warranted.
First and foremost, the fact that you are getting your information from Sean Hannity is pretty telling of your political mindset.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
She will do what else McCain gives her the power to do. Just as Biden will do what else Obama gives him the power to do.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That's the other half I fear. The "what else" half. We have already seen "what else" she has chosen to do after being elected into previous positions of power. I am not drawing any concrete conclusions knowing very well that I cannot predict the future, but "what else" she might do while following the trends of her past is a scary thought to say the least if she gets elected as VP.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
What I was referring to with this thread is people attacking her for WHAT ELSE she is going to do. I know she has answered once that she would set policy and work with the senators... which she could help with if asked but that's not her job. I'm pretty sure I've heard her answer the question correctly before - that she would preside over the senate.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That is exactly what scares me about her the most. Her interpretation of her job combined with her history and everything she has been saying and doing since McCain picked her is very frightening.Originally posted by: shira
This is a total distortion of what she said. She said the VP LEADS the senate and actively mixes it up with the senate in coming up with legislation, both of which are completely wrong. In other words, she probably read the phase "presides over the sentate" and filled in her own definition of what she thought that means. The attacks on her for this are therefore completely warranted.
Should I be concerned Biden will try to now split Iraq into 3 countries now that he is in the so very powerful VP spot? Your irrational fear is mind boggling.
In Palin's case, "more or less" means more bullshit and less truth. When evaluating a candidate for President or Vice President, what they say, "more or less," doesn't cut it. Exactly what she said is that the Vice President is "... in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes..."Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Her answer has been, more or less, preside over the senate and she is being attacked over it.
Be afraid. Be VERY afraid. From research from the University of Chicago:Originally posted by: apocalypse
The problem is if McCain's health fails. Then we have a problem.
From WrongDiagnosis.com:Among male non-smokers, 70 percent of the men who turned 60 in 1990 will be alive by age 80, while 73 percent of those who turned 60 in 1996 are expected to live to age 80, according to the same data.
I'm sure it's more complex, but simple straight line multiplication make the odds around 20% that McCain will survive a term as President, and that's before considering the effects of the stress of the office.Prognosis of Melanoma
Survival rate statistics for Melanoma: The following are statistics from various sources about the survival rate for Melanoma:
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27.7% of people with multiple melanomas survive after 5 years in the US 1983-90
RightIsWrong summed up my thoughts for the most part.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
First and foremost, the fact that you are getting your information from Sean Hannity is pretty telling of your political mindset.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
She will do what else McCain gives her the power to do. Just as Biden will do what else Obama gives him the power to do.
Should I be concerned Biden will try to now split Iraq into 3 countries now that he is in the so very powerful VP spot? Your irrational fear is mind boggling.
Secondly, the fact that you are defending Palin in this is very telling of your lack of understanding of the Constitution and the role of the VP as defined within it.
Thirdly, why did I bother posting in this incredibly stupid thread again?
Lastly, McCain can not "give her the power" to do shit. Her role is simply to cast tie-breaking votes (which is incredibly unlikely) and to check on McCain's health. Dick Cheney was the exception...not the rule when it comes to the power of the VP.
Read up on the history of the VP. They have as much or as little power as the POTUS gives them. The president can have the VP write legislation... but they can't introduce it.Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
First and foremost, the fact that you are getting your information from Sean Hannity is pretty telling of your political mindset.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
She will do what else McCain gives her the power to do. Just as Biden will do what else Obama gives him the power to do.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That's the other half I fear. The "what else" half. We have already seen "what else" she has chosen to do after being elected into previous positions of power. I am not drawing any concrete conclusions knowing very well that I cannot predict the future, but "what else" she might do while following the trends of her past is a scary thought to say the least if she gets elected as VP.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
What I was referring to with this thread is people attacking her for WHAT ELSE she is going to do. I know she has answered once that she would set policy and work with the senators... which she could help with if asked but that's not her job. I'm pretty sure I've heard her answer the question correctly before - that she would preside over the senate.Originally posted by: Xavier434
That is exactly what scares me about her the most. Her interpretation of her job combined with her history and everything she has been saying and doing since McCain picked her is very frightening.Originally posted by: shira
This is a total distortion of what she said. She said the VP LEADS the senate and actively mixes it up with the senate in coming up with legislation, both of which are completely wrong. In other words, she probably read the phase "presides over the sentate" and filled in her own definition of what she thought that means. The attacks on her for this are therefore completely warranted.
Should I be concerned Biden will try to now split Iraq into 3 countries now that he is in the so very powerful VP spot? Your irrational fear is mind boggling.
Secondly, the fact that you are defending Palin in this is very telling of your lack of understanding of the Constitution and the role of the VP as defined within it.
Thirdly, why did I bother posting in this incredibly stupid thread again?
Lastly, McCain can not "give her the power" to do shit. Her role is simply to cast tie-breaking votes (which is incredibly unlikely) and to check on McCain's health. Dick Cheney was the exception...not the rule when it comes to the power of the VP.
You're right, she is wrong in that she does not constitutionally have the power to make policy decisions, however, she could help to introduce legislation, help out in writing it, ideas, etc. Which I'm sure she meant but you guys take it as you will.Originally posted by: Harvey
In Palin's case, "more or less" means more bullshit and less truth. When evaluating a candidate for President or Vice President, what they say, "more or less," doesn't cut it. Exactly what she said is that the Vice President is "... in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes..."Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Her answer has been, more or less, preside over the senate and she is being attacked over it.
That is patently false.
whoa boy.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
she could help to introduce legislation, help out in writing it, ideas, etc
whoa boy what exactly? You don't think legislation introduced by the president (of course the pres can't just walk in there and bring it to a vote, it would need a sponsor) won't have help from the VP? It will if the president wants the help. Senators can request help in getting votes for a piece of legislation or input.Originally posted by: jonks
whoa boy.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
she could help to introduce legislation, help out in writing it, ideas, etc
I made the same mistake you did in another thread. My whoa boy was envisioning Palin attempting to draft a legal sentence.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
whoa boy what exactly? You don't think legislation introduced by the president (of course the pres can't just walk in there and bring it to a vote, it would need a sponsor) won't have help from the VP? It will if the president wants the help. Senators can request help in getting votes for a piece of legislation or input.Originally posted by: jonks
whoa boy.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
she could help to introduce legislation, help out in writing it, ideas, etc
"Hey fellas, I think article 2335(a) could use a 'You betcha!' at the end of it!"Originally posted by: jonks
I made the same mistake you did in another thread. My whoa boy was envisioning Palin attempting to draft a legal sentence.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
whoa boy what exactly? You don't think legislation introduced by the president (of course the pres can't just walk in there and bring it to a vote, it would need a sponsor) won't have help from the VP? It will if the president wants the help. Senators can request help in getting votes for a piece of legislation or input.Originally posted by: jonks
whoa boy.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
she could help to introduce legislation, help out in writing it, ideas, etc
hahaha okay :laugh:Originally posted by: Farang
"Hey fellas, I think article 2335(a) could use a 'You betcha!' at the end of it!"Originally posted by: jonks
I made the same mistake you did in another thread. My whoa boy was envisioning Palin attempting to draft a legal sentence.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
whoa boy what exactly? You don't think legislation introduced by the president (of course the pres can't just walk in there and bring it to a vote, it would need a sponsor) won't have help from the VP? It will if the president wants the help. Senators can request help in getting votes for a piece of legislation or input.Originally posted by: jonks
whoa boy.Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
she could help to introduce legislation, help out in writing it, ideas, etc