Hey mac users

[HAL9000]

I assume you mean on the laptop referenced in the OP? In that case, you are correct, sir.

MotionMan

On a laptop, two finger tap.

 

[MotionMan]

Do you really believe training is the reason? Honestly?

It's because these days Macs are no better than Windows machines, and when supplying an office with workstations why in the world would a company want to pay the Apple Tax and get the exact same machine for double the cost or more?

Do you really believe that Macs and PCs are "the exact same machine"? Honestly?

MotionMan

 

[Ns1]

Do you really believe that Macs and PCs are "the exact same machine"? Honestly?

MotionMan

....just like Lexus and Toyota are the same.

 

[MotionMan]

....just like Lexus and Toyota are the same.

I own one of each. They are not the same.

I am not sure of your point.

MotionMan

 

[HAL9000]

I own one of each. They are not the same.

I am not sure of your point.

MotionMan

A Lexus and a Toyota or a Mac and a PC?

 

[Ns1]

I own one of each. They are not the same.

I am not sure of your point.

MotionMan

Lexus = Mac
Toyota = PC


Under the hood = same, practical application = same, actual user experience/cost = dramatically different

 

[MotionMan]

A Lexus and a Toyota or a Mac and a PC?

I own a Toyota, a Lexus, a number of Macs and use PCs at work (formerly owned PCs), so...

Yes.



MotionMan

 

[HAL9000]

Lexus = Mac
Toyota = PC


Under the hood = same, practical application = same, actual user experience/cost = dramatically different

Yeah I could get behind that analogy, but I would do:

Ford = PC
BMW = Mac

One is marketed to everyone.
The other is marketed to those who can afford it as "the ultimate driving machine"

Rightly or wrongly, that equates to Microsoft and Apples marketing.

 

[HAL9000]

I own a Toyota, a Lexus, a number of Macs and use PCs at work (formerly owned PCs), so...

Yes.



MotionMan

Well played sir.

 

[alfa147x]

Why do people never take build quality into account when comparing $100 dells to $2000 macs?

 

[alfa147x]

One is marketed to everyone.
The other is marketed to those who can afford it as "the ultimate driving machine"

Rightly or wrongly, that equates to Microsoft and Apples marketing.

Wong. Macs are not marketed only toward the upper middle class.

 

[HAL9000]

Wong. Macs are not marketed only toward the upper middle class.

True, but in the UK neither are BMW's... 3 Series are very common.

 

[alfa147x]

True, but in the UK neither are BMW's... 3 Series are very common.

This is America.

 

[HAL9000]

This is America.

True, but I can't speak from an American perspective.

 

[Ns1]

True, but I can't speak from an American perspective.

not different in America IMO

 

[MotionMan]

Why do people never take build quality into account when comparing $100 dells to $2000 macs?

The same reason why people want low airfare prices, and then complain about fees being tacked on.

Also, I wonder what a Dell ends up costing if you add all the service and support offered by Apple with each Mac?

MotionMan

 

[HAL9000]

not different in America IMO

I can't imagine it is that much different.

The same reason why people want low airfare prices, and then complain about fees being tacked on.

Also, I wonder what a Dell ends up costing if you add all the service and support offered by Apple with each Mac?

MotionMan

Maybe you have to pay extra to speak to someone who speaks English with Dell :biggrin:

 

[Beev]

Do you really believe that Macs and PCs are "the exact same machine"? Honestly?

MotionMan

I meant from a spec point of view. 2gb of ram in a Mac is the same as 2gb of ram in a PC, a 2.5ghz cpu in a Mac is the same as a 2.5ghz cpu in a PC, yet the Mac will cost twice as much. Does that seem right to you? Are you claiming Mac innards are superior?

 

[Beev]

The same reason why people want low airfare prices, and then complain about fees being tacked on.

Also, I wonder what a Dell ends up costing if you add all the service and support offered by Apple with each Mac?

MotionMan

If I tell Apple to shove their support up their ass will they take $500 off of my order?

I do not need support, but I recognize that "average" users probably do.

 

[Ns1]

I meant from a spec point of view. 2gb of ram in a Mac is the same as 2gb of ram in a PC, a 2.5ghz cpu in a Mac is the same as a 2.5ghz cpu in a PC, yet the Mac will cost twice as much. Does that seem right to you? Are you claiming Mac innards are superior?

...and now we're at normal PC v Apple debate


<insert obligatory PC v Apple arguments here>

 

[Beev]

...and now we're at normal PC v Apple debate


<insert obligatory PC v Apple arguments here>

I'm talking purely about price, not which is "better." Both brands have their places.

 

[HAL9000]

I meant from a spec point of view. 2gb of ram in a Mac is the same as 2gb of ram in a PC, a 2.5ghz cpu in a Mac is the same as a 2.5ghz cpu in a PC, yet the Mac will cost twice as much. Does that seem right to you? Are you claiming Mac innards are superior?

The motherboards are custom as you can imagine, it runs an EFI not a bios and you pay extra for the innovative bits, the trackpad/ the power adapter. In all honesty though for me it could look like a piece of crap and I would pay the extra for the operating system.

 

[busydude]

Also, I wonder what a Dell ends up costing if you add all the service and support offered by Apple with each Mac?

Maybe you have to pay extra to speak to someone who speaks English with Dell

You only get 90 days of free tech support via phone and a standard 1 year warranty.

Apple is no different than other manufacturers.. in terms of service.

 

[MotionMan]

I meant from a spec point of view. 2gb of ram in a Mac is the same as 2gb of ram in a PC, a 2.5ghz cpu in a Mac is the same as a 2.5ghz cpu in a PC, yet the Mac will cost twice as much. Does that seem right to you? Are you claiming Mac innards are superior?

IMO, Macs tend to use superior parts (think name-brand RAM vs. generic) and stand behind them. In that sense, yes.

MotionMan

 

[Ns1]

Apple is no different than other manufacturers.. in terms of service.

I walked into an Apple store, dropped off my Mac Mini for repairs, and picked it up 2 days later.

Friend's iPhone was broken. He walked into an Apple store and 1 hour later walked out with a replacement.