Hey Fox News how's that Putin thing working for ya??

[sandorski]

They shouldn't rubber stamp anything. Ever.

Neither should the Democrats.

Rubber Stamping is merely approving something, anything.

 

[pcgeek11]

Rubber Stamping is merely approving something, anything.

"Rubber Stamping" is a slang term used for Blanket approval of something without giving it proper consideration beforehand.

Oxford Dictionary: Person or organization that gives automatic approval or authorization to the decisions of others, without proper consideration: the Commission were accused of being a rubber stamp for the police department

 

[K1052]

The only bad thing Putin has done in this situation is not acting quickly enough to liberate the Donbass region from the new Ukrainian regime. The new government of Ukraine was funded and installed by the west, primarily to weaken Russia and force them out of their Crimean port as revenge for Russia's involvment in stopping the west from invading yet another sovereign country (Syria). Another reason, is of course, like always is natural resources. The black sea is extremely rich in resources and Eastern Ukraine is rich with natural gas and precious metals. This all stems from the Syrian conflict. The west wants to force Russia out of Crimea and Ukraine so they can weaken their navy - and place missiles on their border.

What many don't realize is that the only reason Crimea or Donbass (East Ukraine) were even part of Ukraine is because Communist leaders assigned them to Ukraine. They had historically been populated by Russians and were part of Russia in the Russia empire. Lenin added the east to Ukraine and Kruschev added Crimea to Russia. It is only fair to allow the residents of those two regions to choose their own fate.

A lot of people like to make the argument that the Russians living in the East and Crimea "don't belong" there. Why not? Because a couple of communist dictators assigned their homeland to another "country" ? When Albanians who lived in Kosovo, a historically Serbian region, wanted independence, the West went to war to "free" them. The situation is similar in Ukraine, except this time, it is in the west's interest to create a hostile government in Ukraine so that they can place military bases for the inevitable showdown with Russia that they have been planning for a long time.

Ukraine's army has deliberately targeted and killed civilians all over the Donbass region, simply for wanting to choose their own fate. Yet, the west doesn't report this. It doesn't fit the narrative. Apartment blocks and schools have been bombed. People have been killed in markets as Ukraine's government performs collective punishment for the actions of the rebels who fight for the freedom of their people. The east's rebels, unlike the Ukrainian government, do not target civilians - only military targets.

Putin's mistake - and crime - was not intervening with direct military action in Eastern Ukraine like he did in Crimea. That would've saved many, many, innocent lives. However, Putin, being corrupt as he is, is more concerned with his own money rather than people's lives. Ukraine needs to respect the will of the people, like the U.S always claims is right, and allow Donbass and Crimea to be independent. They can have Kiev and Lviv and run whichever government they want there. That's Ukraine. Donbass and Crimea were never Ukrainian.

I am ashamed that the government of my country is so instrumental in murdering civilians in Ukraine, but people are too ignorant to realize what's really going on. It doesn't matter if it's a republican or democrat in office, they follow the same foreign policy of aggression.

This entire post is total horse shit. I mean it gets even the most basic facts wrong about the history of the region and wallows pleasurably in the narrative Putin has constructed about he west persecuting Russia. I have a hot tip for Russia: Acting paranoid and crazy about western influence approaching your borders turns into a self fulfilling prophecy since those old parts of the Soviet Union have no interest in yielding once again to Russian control. Predictably they increasingly turn to Europe and the US for military and economic security in the face of an increasingly unstable/aggressive Russia thus validating the fear.

Russia is a broken nation socially, economically, and politically on pretty much every level. It is a second rate power with a third rate economy. The rest of the world doesn't want any kind of showdown with Russia because there is nothing at all to be gained. Russia's neighbors know the future lies with EU/US and the interaction with economies of the developing world that closer economic and political relations to the top tier nations fosters. Russia has failed to accept the shape of the future and is now paying the price with the implosion of their economy and near total political alienation from the international community.

 

[ivwshane]

No that would be Harry Reid in the Senate tabling everything that comes out of Congress.

http://www.mynews13.com/content/new...n/2014/8/18/politifact_is_harry_.html?cid=rss

Before the August recess, Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-Kansas) held a press conference to talk about what was and wasn't getting done in Washington.

"The president is fond of referring to the House as the ‘do-nothing Congress.’ But we have 352 reasons why it’s a ‘do-Nothing Senate.’ "Three-hundred-fifty-two are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk, awaiting action. Ninety-eight percent of them passed with bipartisan support -- Republicans and Democrats working together to pass legislation. Fifty percent of the bills passed unanimously, with no opposition. Seventy percent of the bills passed with two-thirds support in the House. And over 55 bills were introduced by Democrats. "Three-hundred-fifty-two bills. Why won’t Harry Reid act? These are good bills; bills that put the American people back to work, put more money in hardworking Americans pockets, help with education and skills training. We call upon Harry Reid to get to work before he adjourns in August to pass some of these bills. The American people deserve better."

I know that this is not 100% the truth, as it comes from a politician. That being said Politifacts says it is half true which I do believe. They are both equally guilty of holding up progress in any direction.

http://www.mynews13.com/content/new...n/2014/8/18/politifact_is_harry_.html?cid=rss

But rubber stamp in either party? No it should never happen.

Are you just trying to reinforce what I said? If not then I have no idea what your point is.

 

[ivwshane]

"Rubber Stamping" is a slang term used for Blanket approval of something without giving it proper consideration beforehand.

Oxford Dictionary: Person or organization that gives automatic approval or authorization to the decisions of others, without proper consideration: the Commission were accused of being a rubber stamp for the police department

Yeah that's pretty much exactly what he said. Was there some confusion in what is meant by the term "rubber stamping"?

 

[poofyhairguy]

The only bad thing Putin has done in this situation is not acting quickly enough to liberate the Donbass region from the new Ukrainian regime. The new government of Ukraine was funded and installed by the west, primarily to weaken Russia and force them out of their Crimean port as revenge for Russia's involvment in stopping the west from invading yet another sovereign country (Syria). Another reason, is of course, like always is natural resources. The black sea is extremely rich in resources and Eastern Ukraine is rich with natural gas and precious metals. This all stems from the Syrian conflict. The west wants to force Russia out of Crimea and Ukraine so they can weaken their navy - and place missiles on their border.

What many don't realize is that the only reason Crimea or Donbass (East Ukraine) were even part of Ukraine is because Communist leaders assigned them to Ukraine. They had historically been populated by Russians and were part of Russia in the Russia empire. Lenin added the east to Ukraine and Kruschev added Crimea to Russia. It is only fair to allow the residents of those two regions to choose their own fate.

A lot of people like to make the argument that the Russians living in the East and Crimea "don't belong" there. Why not? Because a couple of communist dictators assigned their homeland to another "country" ? When Albanians who lived in Kosovo, a historically Serbian region, wanted independence, the West went to war to "free" them. The situation is similar in Ukraine, except this time, it is in the west's interest to create a hostile government in Ukraine so that they can place military bases for the inevitable showdown with Russia that they have been planning for a long time.

Ukraine's army has deliberately targeted and killed civilians all over the Donbass region, simply for wanting to choose their own fate. Yet, the west doesn't report this. It doesn't fit the narrative. Apartment blocks and schools have been bombed. People have been killed in markets as Ukraine's government performs collective punishment for the actions of the rebels who fight for the freedom of their people. The east's rebels, unlike the Ukrainian government, do not target civilians - only military targets.

Putin's mistake - and crime - was not intervening with direct military action in Eastern Ukraine like he did in Crimea. That would've saved many, many, innocent lives. However, Putin, being corrupt as he is, is more concerned with his own money rather than people's lives. Ukraine needs to respect the will of the people, like the U.S always claims is right, and allow Donbass and Crimea to be independent. They can have Kiev and Lviv and run whichever government they want there. That's Ukraine. Donbass and Crimea were never Ukrainian.

I am ashamed that the government of my country is so instrumental in murdering civilians in Ukraine, but people are too ignorant to realize what's really going on. It doesn't matter if it's a republican or democrat in office, they follow the same foreign policy of aggression.

Sounds like the start of the plot to a good Bond film.

 

[MongGrel]

The only bad thing Putin has done in this situation is not acting quickly enough to liberate the Donbass region from the new Ukrainian regime.

Putin's mistake - and crime - was not intervening with direct military action in Eastern Ukraine like he did in Crimea. That would've saved many, many, innocent lives. However, Putin, being corrupt as he is, is more concerned with his own money rather than people's lives. Ukraine needs to respect the will of the people, like the U.S always claims is right, and allow Donbass and Crimea to be independent. They can have Kiev and Lviv and run whichever government they want there. That's Ukraine. Donbass and Crimea were never Ukrainian.

Not intervening? Who do you think is directing the whole thing ?

 

[Shargrath]

This entire post is total horse shit. I mean it gets even the most basic facts wrong about the history of the region and wallows pleasurably in the narrative Putin has constructed about he west persecuting Russia. I have a hot tip for Russia: Acting paranoid and crazy about western influence approaching your borders turns into a self fulfilling prophecy since those old parts of the Soviet Union have no interest in yielding once again to Russian control. Predictably they increasingly turn to Europe and the US for military and economic security in the face of an increasingly unstable/aggressive Russia thus validating the fear.

Russia is a broken nation socially, economically, and politically on pretty much every level. It is a second rate power with a third rate economy. The rest of the world doesn't want any kind of showdown with Russia because there is nothing at all to be gained. Russia's neighbors know the future lies with EU/US and the interaction with economies of the developing world that closer economic and political relations to the top tier nations fosters. Russia has failed to accept the shape of the future and is now paying the price with the implosion of their economy and near total political alienation from the international community.

Putin did not construct anything - he merely uses what is true for his own personal gain.

As far as history goes, the west, U.S and Britain were the first to use military force directly against Russia. During the Russian revolution, American and British soldiers were involved in direct combat against the Russian people. They wanted to save the monarchy - the same monarchy that was responsible for retarding Russia's progress for centuries. The same monarchy that still had people under serfdom. Unfortunately for the west, the Russian people overcame and the revolution was successful, but the west didn't stop there. The banks that control the west, fearing that the revolution would spread to Germany and France, actively supported the anti-communist Hitler, helping him defeat and wipe out, Germany's communists and set him on the track to conquer the USSR. Even before communism, Russia has always been under constant attack. In the middle ages it was the mongols, then it was Europe's teutonic knights and crusaders, it's no wonder they are "paranoid".

At the time of the USSR's formation, Vladimir Lenin had given all people the right to vote and recognition of equality under the law...almost 60 years before all people would gain the right to vote and equality in the U.S.

As far as Russia having nothing that the west would want...Russia only has some of the world's largest oil, natural gas and precious metal reserves. Certainly nothing the west could want. Certainly there's nothing the west might want in Ukraine, I mean, Joe Biden's son was just travelling to Ukraine for fun before this whole disaster started. It's not like he would be interested in the large oil and gas reserves of the black sea. Russia is also not under the umbrella of western banking and monetary debt system - the other countries that weren't were Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya to name a few...I wonder why Russia might feel threatened.

Like I said before, if Ukraine wants to select the EU as their new master, they are free to do so. But they must respect the will of the people of Crimea and Donbass who have every right to join Russia.

 

[TreVader]

Sounds like the start of the plot to a good Bond film.

Is this guy for real?

 

[TreVader]

Putin did not construct anything - he merely uses what is true for his own personal gain.



As far as history goes, the west, U.S and Britain were the first to use military force directly against Russia. During the Russian revolution, American and British soldiers were involved in direct combat against the Russian people. They wanted to save the monarchy - the same monarchy that was responsible for retarding Russia's progress for centuries. The same monarchy that still had people under serfdom. Unfortunately for the west, the Russian people overcame and the revolution was successful, but the west didn't stop there. The banks that control the west, fearing that the revolution would spread to Germany and France, actively supported the anti-communist Hitler, helping him defeat and wipe out, Germany's communists and set him on the track to conquer the USSR. Even before communism, Russia has always been under constant attack. In the middle ages it was the mongols, then it was Europe's teutonic knights and crusaders, it's no wonder they are "paranoid".



At the time of the USSR's formation, Vladimir Lenin had given all people the right to vote and recognition of equality under the law...almost 60 years before all people would gain the right to vote and equality in the U.S.



As far as Russia having nothing that the west would want...Russia only has some of the world's largest oil, natural gas and precious metal reserves. Certainly nothing the west could want. Certainly there's nothing the west might want in Ukraine, I mean, Joe Biden's son was just travelling to Ukraine for fun before this whole disaster started. It's not like he would be interested in the large oil and gas reserves of the black sea. Russia is also not under the umbrella of western banking and monetary debt system - the other countries that weren't were Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya to name a few...I wonder why Russia might feel threatened.



Like I said before, if Ukraine wants to select the EU as their new master, they are free to do so. But they must respect the will of the people of Crimea and Donbass who have every right to join Russia.

So do you say these things because you are being watched or because you actually believe them?


Tab twice at the start of your post if you are under duress

 

[zinfamous]

Putin did not construct anything - he merely uses what is true for his own personal gain.

As far as history goes, the west, U.S and Britain were the first to use military force directly against Russia. During the Russian revolution, American and British soldiers were involved in direct combat against the Russian people. They wanted to save the monarchy - the same monarchy that was responsible for retarding Russia's progress for centuries. The same monarchy that still had people under serfdom. Unfortunately for the west, the Russian people overcame and the revolution was successful, but the west didn't stop there. The banks that control the west, fearing that the revolution would spread to Germany and France, actively supported the anti-communist Hitler, helping him defeat and wipe out, Germany's communists and set him on the track to conquer the USSR. Even before communism, Russia has always been under constant attack. In the middle ages it was the mongols, then it was Europe's teutonic knights and crusaders, it's no wonder they are "paranoid".

At the time of the USSR's formation, Vladimir Lenin had given all people the right to vote and recognition of equality under the law...almost 60 years before all people would gain the right to vote and equality in the U.S.

As far as Russia having nothing that the west would want...Russia only has some of the world's largest oil, natural gas and precious metal reserves. Certainly nothing the west could want. Certainly there's nothing the west might want in Ukraine, I mean, Joe Biden's son was just travelling to Ukraine for fun before this whole disaster started. It's not like he would be interested in the large oil and gas reserves of the black sea. Russia is also not under the umbrella of western banking and monetary debt system - the other countries that weren't were Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya to name a few...I wonder why Russia might feel threatened.

Like I said before, if Ukraine wants to select the EU as their new master, they are free to do so. But they must respect the will of the people of Crimea and Donbass who have every right to join Russia.

wow

 

[kage69]

wow

Seconded.

That's some fresh, steamy Putin propaganda right there, served lovingly with a side of bullshit. I wonder if a fear of polonium is at play here somehow...

 

[fskimospy]

Putin did not construct anything - he merely uses what is true for his own personal gain.

As far as history goes, the west, U.S and Britain were the first to use military force directly against Russia. During the Russian revolution, American and British soldiers were involved in direct combat against the Russian people. They wanted to save the monarchy - the same monarchy that was responsible for retarding Russia's progress for centuries. The same monarchy that still had people under serfdom. Unfortunately for the west, the Russian people overcame and the revolution was successful, but the west didn't stop there. The banks that control the west, fearing that the revolution would spread to Germany and France, actively supported the anti-communist Hitler, helping him defeat and wipe out, Germany's communists and set him on the track to conquer the USSR. Even before communism, Russia has always been under constant attack. In the middle ages it was the mongols, then it was Europe's teutonic knights and crusaders, it's no wonder they are "paranoid".

At the time of the USSR's formation, Vladimir Lenin had given all people the right to vote and recognition of equality under the law...almost 60 years before all people would gain the right to vote and equality in the U.S.

As far as Russia having nothing that the west would want...Russia only has some of the world's largest oil, natural gas and precious metal reserves. Certainly nothing the west could want. Certainly there's nothing the west might want in Ukraine, I mean, Joe Biden's son was just travelling to Ukraine for fun before this whole disaster started. It's not like he would be interested in the large oil and gas reserves of the black sea. Russia is also not under the umbrella of western banking and monetary debt system - the other countries that weren't were Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya to name a few...I wonder why Russia might feel threatened.

Like I said before, if Ukraine wants to select the EU as their new master, they are free to do so. But they must respect the will of the people of Crimea and Donbass who have every right to join Russia.

Russia seems to be doing an excellent job of respecting the residents of Chechnya that don't want to be a part of Russia.

It's sad to see someone so brainwashed.

 

[ivwshane]

Russia seems to be doing an excellent job of respecting the residents of Chechnya that don't want to be a part of Russia.

It's sad to see someone so brainwashed.

Brainwashed or spreading propaganda? When their cover appears to be blown, they disappear and another takes their place. It's something I've noticed a lot more over this last year.

 

[Shargrath]

Russia seems to be doing an excellent job of respecting the residents of Chechnya that don't want to be a part of Russia.

It's sad to see someone so brainwashed.

And I don't agree with Putin's actions in Chechnya, they should have given Chechnya and Dagestan their independence when taking the USSR apart. If they let every other nation go, they should have let the Chechens go their own way as well.
As far as brainwashed, I feel the same way about the majority of the comments here. I am no fan of Putin, but when it comes down to facts, he has done a way better job running Russia than the west-beloved Yeltsin during whose time the nation was robbed in every which way, and crime was entirely out of control. Since your media never reported what life in Russia was like in the 90's under Yeltsin, you'll probably accuse me of "omg propaganda/lies, pootin etc".

 

[Shargrath]

Brainwashed or spreading propaganda? When their cover appears to be blown, they disappear and another takes their place. It's something I've noticed a lot more over this last year.

Hardly. You can see by my post history that the last time I stopped here was probably a year ago. I stopped by to get some technical information and the off topic thread caught my eye. It's hilarious that you guys seriously think the Russian government would pay people to "troll online".

 

[fskimospy]

And I don't agree with Putin's actions in Chechnya, they should have given Chechnya and Dagestan their independence when taking the USSR apart. If they let every other nation go, they should have let the Chechens go their own way as well.
As far as brainwashed, I feel the same way about the majority of the comments here. I am no fan of Putin, but when it comes down to facts, he has done a way better job running Russia than the west-beloved Yeltsin during whose time the nation was robbed in every which way, and crime was entirely out of control. Since your media never reported what life in Russia was like in the 90's under Yeltsin, you'll probably accuse me of "omg propaganda/lies, pootin etc".

I'm sure you do view people who have contrary viewpoints as brainwashed. It's sad that you don't realize that Putin is running a similar kleptocracy, he just benefitted from way higher oil prices.

You guys are so used to being robbed you think that the guy who robs you less is somehow a good thing. Ugh, it's sad. Putin doesn't give a shit about self determination. Russia doesn't give a shit about self determination. He cares about being big and important, as does Russia.

 

[manimal]

Sounds like the start of the plot to a good Bond film.

sounds like the start of a a lithium prescription.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yeah that's pretty much exactly what he said. Was there some confusion in what is meant by the term "rubber stamping"?

No that isn't what he said. He said was:

Rubber Stamping is merely approving something, anything.

It is not merely approving something, anything. It is approving it with no regard...

 

[Bitek]

And I don't agree with Putin's actions in Chechnya, they should have given Chechnya and Dagestan their independence when taking the USSR apart. If they let every other nation go, they should have let the Chechens go their own way as well.
As far as brainwashed, I feel the same way about the majority of the comments here. I am no fan of Putin, but when it comes down to facts, he has done a way better job running Russia than the west-beloved Yeltsin during whose time the nation was robbed in every which way, and crime was entirely out of control. Since your media never reported what life in Russia was like in the 90's under Yeltsin, you'll probably accuse me of "omg propaganda/lies, pootin etc".

Do you really think that the west really wants a drunken baffoon running a major, nuclear armed country? I think everyone was glad to see the demise of the cold war, the threat of thermonuclear war, as well as the defeat of communism.

The suggestion that the west wants/fosters turmoil in Russia due to " not being under the yoke of western banking and debt systems " because of oil/resources/ blah blah is just paranoia and excuse making.

The world is far better off with Russia being a stable and productive country. However this is something Russia has been unable to achieve in modern history. Russia has just been trading one failure of governance for another for so long one is pressed to think of a time Russia was a fully functional and respectable society. Putin is just another entry in this list, and he doesn't look like he'll be the last until Russia can overthrow the oligarchs which freely loot the country, and move back towards joining the international community without a chip on its shoulder.

 

[zinfamous]

And I don't agree with Putin's actions in Chechnya, they should have given Chechnya and Dagestan their independence when taking the USSR apart. If they let every other nation go, they should have let the Chechens go their own way as well.
As far as brainwashed, I feel the same way about the majority of the comments here. I am no fan of Putin, but when it comes down to facts, he has done a way better job running Russia than the west-beloved Yeltsin during whose time the nation was robbed in every which way, and crime was entirely out of control. Since your media never reported what life in Russia was like in the 90's under Yeltsin, you'll probably accuse me of "omg propaganda/lies, pootin etc".

Yeltsin was terrible, but I don't see how bullying above a hill of lies, and murdering journalists left and right qualifies one as a successful leader.

I mean...murder. journalists.

yeah.

 

[ivwshane]

No that isn't what he said. He said was:

It is not merely approving something, anything. It is approving it with no regard...

Lol! You have some serious issues.

 

[pcgeek11]

Lol! You have some serious issues.

LOL! No I don't.

 

[AllanMoore]

“When a great genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.” - Johnatan Swift about Putin.

 

[cubby1223]