Hey Fox News how's that Putin thing working for ya??

[MongGrel]

The one that until the 3rd of January the Democrats still control the Senate. In your universe is congress just the house or representatives or is it the one that the senators that lost the election had to clean out their desk the next day?

They've owned enough of it they could stall anything for years now.

 

[Matt1970]

What about the praise I already linked to in this thread?

But those are outliers. They are not representative of conservatives as a whole and your insistence on making light of them puts you right in the same category with those who think all conservatives want a communist dictator for a president over Obama.

 

[fskimospy]

But those are outliers. They are not representative of conservatives as a whole and your insistence on making light of them puts you right in the same category with those who think all conservatives want a communist dictator for a president over Obama.

How many examples do you need until you no longer consider them outliers? And I don't mean by fringe people, but mainstream conservatives.

Seriously, give me a number.

 

[sandorski]

Bad comparison.

Russia's parliament is just there to rubber stamp whatever Putin wants.

Fern

...and the Republicans in Congress are just there to refuse to rubber stamp anything.

 

[Matt1970]

How many examples do you need until you no longer consider them outliers? And I don't mean by fringe people, but mainstream conservatives.

Seriously, give me a number.

Well you would have to show the majority or conservatives for it to be what you think it is, and that is a lot, so why don't you start with a few thousand.

 

[Fern]

...and the Republicans in Congress are just there to refuse to rubber stamp anything.

Congress was not designed or intended to be a rubber stamp for the President.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Well you would have to show the majority or conservatives for it to be what you think it is, and that is a lot, so why don't you start with a few thousand.

It should be immediately obvious to you that you are simply trying to avoid inconvenient facts when you are demanding several thousand quotes before you will accept something. This is particularly true considering we are talking about conservative elites.

You know you can just admit that conservative opinion leaders do shitty things sometimes.

 

[Matt1970]

It should be immediately obvious to you that you are simply trying to avoid inconvenient facts when you are demanding several thousand quotes before you will accept something. This is particularly true considering we are talking about conservative elites.

You know you can just admit that conservative opinion leaders do shitty things sometimes.

I am not trying to avoid anything. You are trying to make this out to be something it is not. Until you can show me a survey of the majority of conservatives having higher ratings of Putin's form of governing over Obama's you don't have an argument. Hell I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow until I saw 10%.

 

[trenchfoot]

Seems like a lot of Repubs in Congress are in a heated contest to top one another when it comes to berating Obama. They are so focused on this one myopic task, so immersed in the "who can hate Obama better" mindset, they've lost sight of how they appear to everyone else in their ever escalating battle of Obama trashing to appease their wingnut base.

It really makes them look like raving lunatics at times as their accusations and allegations get further and further from the truth the more they feel pressured into outdoing each other to win the approval of the Funny Farm wing of the Repub Party.

 

[sandorski]

Congress was not designed or intended to be a rubber stamp for the President.

Fern

Of course, but it was also not designed to simply deny everything either.

 

[fskimospy]

I am not trying to avoid anything. You are trying to make this out to be something it is not. Until you can show me a survey of the majority of conservatives having higher ratings of Putin's form of governing over Obama's you don't have an argument. Hell I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow until I saw 10%.

Why on earth would I need to do that.

Again, this is an attempt to avoid uncomfortable aspects of your preferred ideology. They hate Obama so much they end up praising dictators.

 

[Fern]

Why on earth would I need to do that.

Again, this is an attempt to avoid uncomfortable aspects of your preferred ideology. They hate Obama so much they end up praising dictators.

They praised characteristics. If Putin has some good ones along with his bad ones, so be it.

Your ideology doesn't allow you to recognize that valuing a characteristic doesn't mean valuing the person as a whole. E.g., a lot of people valued the 'hustle' that Pete Rose demonstrated, but not the actual man so much.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

They praised characteristics. If Putin has some good ones along with his bad ones, so be it.

Your ideology doesn't allow you to recognize that valuing a characteristic doesn't mean valuing the person as a whole. E.g., a lot of people valued the 'hustle' that Pete Rose demonstrated, but not the actual man so much.

Fern

They valued him as a leader. Considering we are comparing world leaders, can you tell me what other characteristics we aren't counting?

 

[Fern]

They valued him as a leader. Considering we are comparing world leaders, can you tell me what other characteristics we aren't counting?

No, they didn't value him. They identified characteristics they valued.

Republicans have spoken admirably of Obama's campaigning ability. Will you now accuse them of worshiping Obama?

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

No, they didn't value him. They identified characteristics they valued.

Republicans have spoken admirably of Obama's campaigning ability. Will you now accuse them of worshiping Obama?

Fern

This is, as I already quoted before, demonstrably false.

I don't know what to say other than to actually review the statements I already quoted.

Why you are trying so desperately to deny the plainly obvious is beyond me.

 

[Matt1970]

This is, as I already quoted before, demonstrably false.

I don't know what to say other than to actually review the statements I already quoted.

Why you are trying so desperately to deny the plainly obvious is beyond me.

Because it is not the conservative party. It's a handful of fox news analysts. And it is certainly not part of my preferred ideology. I know you would love to lump this in with all of us, but you can't. Not even close. Seriously time for you to get a clue.

 

[Ventanni]

So the retreat is "we don't like what Putin does, just how he does it." Fair enough.

So what is Putin's style? Emotionally driven, over and overtly aggressive, ends justify the means, and as you praise, quick to action. Ego and pride dominates. Thinking with the gut.
No wonder W liked him, it's pretty much Bush's style.

Obama is/was calm, patient, almost clinical in his emotional response, and willing to take short term losses to achieve a larger goal.

Yet you don't see how the approach leads to different outcomes of different qualities?


Fine, Obama doesn't deliver that anger, passion and energy. But neither does he takes that to whip up nationalistic fervor and turn it to ill considered action, like invading Ukraine or Iraq, or pass laws to attack gays (Putin and Bush) and other weak groups in order to bolster themselves, torture, and the long list of other disgraces we could catalog.


That gut thinking has lead to ruin so many times I can't imagine why it should be admired in our leaders.

In the end, the patience of Obama and Merkel has beaten Putin down without dropping any bombs.

Some of the smartest words in the thread right here.

While many criticize Obama's actions as appearing weak and without bite, the fact of the matter is, Putin and his Russia are currently cooking pretty good right now: The ruble is collapsing, foreign investment is drying up, Russian businesses are closing shop, and the price of oil, which accounts for a very large percentage of Russia's state budget, is significantly lower than it once was. If this were happening in America right now, you can bet your behind that Obama would be impeached yesterday.

Putin is dangerous, people. I praise Obama for his cool, collected response to Putin's aggressive nature in eastern Europe. We've avoided war. We've avoided economic collapse. And as far as I'm concerned, it's Putin that looks like the idiot, not Obama.

That emotionally driven, overtly aggressive, and think-by-the-gut style leadership may look good in a movie, but it doesn't belong on the world political stage. Cooler heads prevail.

 

[Shargrath]

The only bad thing Putin has done in this situation is not acting quickly enough to liberate the Donbass region from the new Ukrainian regime. The new government of Ukraine was funded and installed by the west, primarily to weaken Russia and force them out of their Crimean port as revenge for Russia's involvment in stopping the west from invading yet another sovereign country (Syria). Another reason, is of course, like always is natural resources. The black sea is extremely rich in resources and Eastern Ukraine is rich with natural gas and precious metals. This all stems from the Syrian conflict. The west wants to force Russia out of Crimea and Ukraine so they can weaken their navy - and place missiles on their border.

What many don't realize is that the only reason Crimea or Donbass (East Ukraine) were even part of Ukraine is because Communist leaders assigned them to Ukraine. They had historically been populated by Russians and were part of Russia in the Russia empire. Lenin added the east to Ukraine and Kruschev added Crimea to Russia. It is only fair to allow the residents of those two regions to choose their own fate.

A lot of people like to make the argument that the Russians living in the East and Crimea "don't belong" there. Why not? Because a couple of communist dictators assigned their homeland to another "country" ? When Albanians who lived in Kosovo, a historically Serbian region, wanted independence, the West went to war to "free" them. The situation is similar in Ukraine, except this time, it is in the west's interest to create a hostile government in Ukraine so that they can place military bases for the inevitable showdown with Russia that they have been planning for a long time.

Ukraine's army has deliberately targeted and killed civilians all over the Donbass region, simply for wanting to choose their own fate. Yet, the west doesn't report this. It doesn't fit the narrative. Apartment blocks and schools have been bombed. People have been killed in markets as Ukraine's government performs collective punishment for the actions of the rebels who fight for the freedom of their people. The east's rebels, unlike the Ukrainian government, do not target civilians - only military targets.

Putin's mistake - and crime - was not intervening with direct military action in Eastern Ukraine like he did in Crimea. That would've saved many, many, innocent lives. However, Putin, being corrupt as he is, is more concerned with his own money rather than people's lives. Ukraine needs to respect the will of the people, like the U.S always claims is right, and allow Donbass and Crimea to be independent. They can have Kiev and Lviv and run whichever government they want there. That's Ukraine. Donbass and Crimea were never Ukrainian.

I am ashamed that the government of my country is so instrumental in murdering civilians in Ukraine, but people are too ignorant to realize what's really going on. It doesn't matter if it's a republican or democrat in office, they follow the same foreign policy of aggression.

 

[HomerJS]

No, you're missing the point.

Contrary to the OP's assertion, neither Fox News, Republicans nor anyone else (except a few who believe RT reports/spin) "fell so in love with Vladimir Putin".[/b ]

Putin was roundly denounced and vilified, not loved.

To say that those advocating developing a plan, having a vision and executing it are in a love fest with Putin is akin to saying those touting the benefits of a nation interstate system are in love with Hitler.

Hitler conceived the interstate system. We saw its value and we built one. Putin had a plan and the determination to execute it. Similarly to the interstate, some see a plan and determination as productive things we can adopt and use in our foreign policy.

Fern

Didn't watch the Daily Show clip did ya??

 

[HomerJS]

No, they didn't value him. They identified characteristics they valued.

Republicans have spoken admirably of Obama's campaigning ability. Will you now accuse them of worshiping Obama?

Fern

Hitler loved dogs but keep trying.

Just to show how wrong you are here's Fox News host wishing Putin would take over the US for 48 hrs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfa8y0_kr90


More Fox News/Republican love for Putin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyYjQUKD5fQ

 

[pcgeek11]

it means that you are too afraid to challenge yourself with information that upsets your bias.

you're an intellectual coward.

Never Not True...

You are an idiot.

 

[elkongen_DK]

Hehe

 

[pcgeek11]

...and the Republicans in Congress are just there to refuse to rubber stamp anything.

They shouldn't rubber stamp anything. Ever.

Neither should the Democrats.

 

[ivwshane]

They shouldn't rubber stamp anything. Ever.

Neither should the Democrats.

Apparently they shouldn't be coming up with their own solutions to issues Americans face or will be facing either because not only are they not rubber stamping anything and are blocking nearly everything they aren't doing much of anyhthing other than works less days than all of the vacation days Obama has taken during his entire presidency.

So what is congress supposed to do again?

 

[pcgeek11]

Apparently they shouldn't be coming up with their own solutions to issues Americans face or will be facing either because not only are they not rubber stamping anything and are blocking nearly everything they aren't doing much of anyhthing other than works less days than all of the vacation days Obama has taken during his entire presidency.

So what is congress supposed to do again?

No that would be Harry Reid in the Senate tabling everything that comes out of Congress.

http://www.mynews13.com/content/new...n/2014/8/18/politifact_is_harry_.html?cid=rss

Before the August recess, Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-Kansas) held a press conference to talk about what was and wasn't getting done in Washington.

"The president is fond of referring to the House as the ‘do-nothing Congress.’ But we have 352 reasons why it’s a ‘do-Nothing Senate.’ "Three-hundred-fifty-two are sitting on Harry Reid’s desk, awaiting action. Ninety-eight percent of them passed with bipartisan support -- Republicans and Democrats working together to pass legislation. Fifty percent of the bills passed unanimously, with no opposition. Seventy percent of the bills passed with two-thirds support in the House. And over 55 bills were introduced by Democrats. "Three-hundred-fifty-two bills. Why won’t Harry Reid act? These are good bills; bills that put the American people back to work, put more money in hardworking Americans pockets, help with education and skills training. We call upon Harry Reid to get to work before he adjourns in August to pass some of these bills. The American people deserve better."

I know that this is not 100% the truth, as it comes from a politician. That being said Politifacts says it is half true which I do believe. They are both equally guilty of holding up progress in any direction.

http://www.mynews13.com/content/new...n/2014/8/18/politifact_is_harry_.html?cid=rss

But rubber stamp in either party? No it should never happen.