Hey Fox News how's that Putin thing working for ya??

[zinfamous]

Really? So you're left with making shiz about my position. That's all you got?

If you think you can show where I said, link it up.

Fern

That's what McCain and the other hawks were going for. You aligned yourself with their preferred position, so, by proxy, you support that strategy in your statement.

 

[zinfamous]

Nope.



As I've posted numerous times, I can't watch vids etc.

Fern

well, that's convenient.

 

[zinfamous]

How is that even remotely relevant?

Fern

this is how:

No, you're missing the point.

Contrary to the OP's assertion, neither Fox News, Republicans nor anyone else (except a few who believe RT reports/spin) "fell so in love with Vladimir Putin".

Fern

 

[Fern]

That's demonstrably false. His leadership is repeatedly praised. To quote Rudy Giuliani on Fox News:

Would you characterize that as an admiring quote or a critical quote?

That's not what was said at all, actually. They repeatedly praised his swift action, the muscle he flexed with the Russian Parliament, etc, etc. Those are most certainly not things like "having a plan", they are aspects of his personal, dictatorial regime that were described positively.[/QUOTE]

These are all examples of people, while not liking Putin and strongly opposing his actions in Ukraine etc, wanting our President to stand up for our side instead of dithering, apologizing and generally looking like an amateur.

It's disingenuous to mischaracterize this as "love" for Putin.

But hey, since that's all you got I guess you gotta run with it. Otherwise, the focus swings back to Obama's performance. Can't have that, can you?

Fern

 

[zinfamous]

It's disingenuous to mischaracterize this as "love" for Putin.

What a shame, then, that you can't seem to watch videos.

But hey, since that's all you got I guess you gotta run with it. Otherwise, the focus swings back to Obama's performance. Can't have that, can you?
Fern

Obama's performance on this issue, certainly, and other domestic issues have actually been spot-on as of late. Why would that be a concern?

 

[Vic]

As I've posted numerous times, I can't watch vids etc.

Fern

Cliff notes: Fox News swallowed.

 

[fskimospy]

These are all examples of people, while not liking Putin and strongly opposing his actions in Ukraine etc, wanting our President to stand up for our side instead of dithering, apologizing and generally looking like an amateur.

It's disingenuous to mischaracterize this as "love" for Putin.

But hey, since that's all you got I guess you gotta run with it. Otherwise, the focus swings back to Obama's performance. Can't have that, can you?

Fern

Actually, those are explicit examples of people directly praising Putin. There's simply no getting around it.

Obama's performance has been quite good on this, as well. It makes Fox's love for Putin all the more sad considering the 'weak' Obama outplayed him.

 

[trenchfoot]

What an opportune time for oil prices to drop off a cliff. I wonder if Putin even knew that could happen to him by sheer "bad luck" and "coincidence".

Along with the ever tightening rope of sanctions around his neck, it sure would be interesting to see how his popularity holds out the further down the road to financial ruin he takes his nation.

It won't take too much more pressure before Putin starts shouting from the spires of the Kremlin "Remember Stalingrad!!".

And every notch that slips loose under Putin's grip only creates another notch that Obama can pull himself higher up on.

Although this situation, along with Obama's strategy to deal with it helps the United States' foreign interests immensely, the Repubs are going to hate that its working in Obama's favor and attempt to discredit him for his "lack of leadership" anyway.

 

[zinfamous]

Although this situation, along with Obama's strategy to deal with it helps the United States' foreign interests immensely, the Repubs are going to hate that its working in Obama's favor and attempt to discredit him for his "lack of leadership" anyway.

what do you mean by, "are going to"?

 

[brycejones]

That's not what was said at all, actually. They repeatedly praised his swift action, the muscle he flexed with the Russian Parliament, etc, etc. Those are most certainly not things like "having a plan", they are aspects of his personal, dictatorial regime that were described positively.

These are all examples of people, while not liking Putin and strongly opposing his actions in Ukraine etc, wanting our President to stand up for our side instead of dithering, apologizing and generally looking like an amateur.

It's disingenuous to mischaracterize this as "love" for Putin.

But hey, since that's all you got I guess you gotta run with it. Otherwise, the focus swings back to Obama's performance. Can't have that, can you?

Fern

Dear god man, have you lost touch with reality?

 

[Zaap]

So much of leftwing ideology is just clinging desperately to purposeful misunderstandings. Pretty sad, but also pretty typical.

Here's something for you libs: Many of you are geniuses compared to the likes of HomerJS, Phokus, Jhhhn, McOwned and a few other stand out retards.

Leftloon interpretation: "He must be saying he thinks we're particularly bright! I'll just run with that!"

 

[Fern]

-snip-

Although this situation, along with Obama's strategy to deal with it helps the United States' foreign interests immensely, the Repubs are going to hate that its working in Obama's favor and attempt to discredit him for his "lack of leadership" anyway.

Can you please list these "foreign interests" of ours that will be helped "immensely"?

Fern

 

[Fern]

Dear god man, have you lost touch with reality?

Did you misquote me on purpose?

If not fix it asap.

TIA

Fern

 

[brycejones]

Did you misquote me on purpose?

If not fix it asap.

TIA

Fern

You are correct, it sounds even more deranged when I fix the screwed up formatting from the forum. I'll get it fixed right away.

Would you like a shovel to dig a deeper hole with as well?

Edit upon further review it is a quote of your post.

 

[brycejones]

So much of leftwing ideology is just clinging desperately to purposeful misunderstandings. Pretty sad, but also pretty typical.

Here's something for you libs: Many of you are geniuses compared to the likes of HomerJS, Phokus, Jhhhn, McOwned and a few other stand out retards.

Leftloon interpretation: "He must be saying he thinks we're particularly bright! I'll just run with that!"

Oh the irony in this post........

 

[WelshBloke]

...

LOL.

So attacking the lefties because they are supporting the head of the USA over the head of Russia...

Time to break out the big iron E methinks.

 

[trenchfoot]

what do you mean by, "are going to"?

Ya got me with my forefinger up my nostril going for the big hairy nugget! I humbly stand corrected.

 

[pcgeek11]

Uhmm, Russia is melting down right now. This is largely due to oil prices, but it is made considerably worse by the fact that major Russian companies are shut out of international financing. On the other hand the US is doing quite well, Ukraine is moving into NATO's orbit, and Russia has become an international pariah.

So who is the clown now?

And Obama had Diddley Squat to do with any of that ...

Obama still looks like a fool in the eyes of the world and over half of the USA.

 

[pcgeek11]

Enemy of my enemy is my friend?

Lucky McCartney isn't around, they'd all be in jail.

You mean McCarthy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

 

[pcgeek11]

You are claiming that "Putin made Obama look like a buffoon" as a factual statement.

Your realize, of course, that this is something purely subjective, right? it can never be "a fact."

Not only that, only a fucking idiot would think this. You like tyrannical bare-chested men riding bears in a photochop, who bluster publically about "strength" while standing on a hill of beans. That was never not true.

It just shows that you are a coward when it comes to intellect.

So, That was never not true.

WTF does that even mean? Then you talk about My intellect.

 

[Bitek]

That's not what was said at all, actually. They repeatedly praised his swift action, the muscle he flexed with the Russian Parliament, etc, etc. Those are most certainly not things like "having a plan", they are aspects of his personal, dictatorial regime that were described positively.

These are all examples of people, while not liking Putin and strongly opposing his actions in Ukraine etc, wanting our President to stand up for our side instead of dithering, apologizing and generally looking like an amateur.

It's disingenuous to mischaracterize this as "love" for Putin.

But hey, since that's all you got I guess you gotta run with it. Otherwise, the focus swings back to Obama's performance. Can't have that, can you?

Fern

So the retreat is "we don't like what Putin does, just how he does it." Fair enough.

So what is Putin's style? Emotionally driven, over and overtly aggressive, ends justify the means, and as you praise, quick to action. Ego and pride dominates. Thinking with the gut.
No wonder W liked him, it's pretty much Bush's style.

Obama is/was calm, patient, almost clinical in his emotional response, and willing to take short term losses to achieve a larger goal.

Yet you don't see how the approach leads to different outcomes of different qualities?


Fine, Obama doesn't deliver that anger, passion and energy. But neither does he takes that to whip up nationalistic fervor and turn it to ill considered action, like invading Ukraine or Iraq, or pass laws to attack gays (Putin and Bush) and other weak groups in order to bolster themselves, torture, and the long list of other disgraces we could catalog.


That gut thinking has lead to ruin so many times I can't imagine why it should be admired in our leaders.

In the end, the patience of Obama and Merkel has beaten Putin down without dropping any bombs.

 

[zinfamous]

So, That was never not true.

WTF does that even mean? Then you talk about My intellect.

it means that you are too afraid to challenge yourself with information that upsets your bias.

you're an intellectual coward.

 

[Jaskalas]

That's not what was said at all, actually. They repeatedly praised his swift action, the muscle he flexed with the Russian Parliament, etc, etc. Those are most certainly not things like "having a plan", they are aspects of his personal, dictatorial regime that were described positively.

These are all examples of people, while not liking Putin and strongly opposing his actions in Ukraine etc, wanting our President to stand up for our side instead of dithering, apologizing and generally looking like an amateur.

It's disingenuous to mischaracterize this as "love" for Putin.

Love of Putin or love of Tyranny... ehh.. :whiste:

 

[IGBT]

why are you in love with the illusory promise of liberalism??

 

[Moonbeam]

We create what we fear. If the world needs sensible unbiased non-emotional calculated reasoning, people who can't do that and react on instincts instead will be terrified to have such a leader. Their fear will work to tear the effectiveness of such a leader down. Others who know how people will react to rational decision making, will use that fear as a political ticket to power. They are going to run around screaming we need a strong leader, we need a madman in power. Fear is the product of having been exposed to terror as a child and repressing it, terrified the same will happen again, and longing for it to happen to, so the soul can remember and heal. But if that is not done via reliving the emotions as with a connection to memory, there is only chaos and destruction. It is the latter toward which our ignorance of the unconscious drives us.

Without self understanding we are lost.