Hey Fox News how's that Putin thing working for ya??

[WelshBloke]

This. Everything else is just the liberals twisting the facts. As usual.

What? You're really saying that you think Putin has taken the Russian people and economy to a good place?

 

[pcgeek11]

What? You're really saying that you think Putin has taken the Russian people and economy to a good place?

No, that isn't what I said. What I agreed with was Putin makes Obama look like a buffoon ( a ridiculous but amusing person; a clown.)

 

[WelshBloke]

No, that isn't what I said. What I agreed with was Putin makes Obama look like a buffoon ( a ridiculous but amusing person; a clown.)

Well as long as you're more impressed with frippery and a guy getting topless on a horse I could see where you're coming from.
Fact is that Obama has come out of this in a much better position than Putin has.

 

[CPA]

Well as long as you're more impressed with frippery and a guy getting topless on a horse I could see where you're coming from.
Fact is that Obama has come out of this in a much better position than Putin has.

Only because oil has plummeted and the Pope brokered the US/Cuba deal. Good job, Obama.

 

[HomerJS]

Only because oil has plummeted and the Pope brokered the US/Cuba deal. Good job, Obama.

Forgetting about the sanctions? Also the White House set up the pope as a go between.

 

[evident]

that Jon Stewart vid just shows how duplicitous and manipulating the news can be. its sick that the majority of the american people watch news channels and just agree with everything coming out of these people's mouth

 

[fskimospy]

No, that isn't what I said. What I agreed with was Putin makes Obama look like a buffoon ( a ridiculous but amusing person; a clown.)

Uhmm, Russia is melting down right now. This is largely due to oil prices, but it is made considerably worse by the fact that major Russian companies are shut out of international financing. On the other hand the US is doing quite well, Ukraine is moving into NATO's orbit, and Russia has become an international pariah.

So who is the clown now?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Putin represents what the conservatives really want to happen - an authoritarian tyrant that punishes those who oppose him and conflict with his views.

Conservatives don't want democracy, because democracy allows 'undesirables' into the system.

It's no different than when people decry big government, but are perfectly OK with big companies in place of big government. It is not that a big entity is governing us, it's that the big entity tries to represent ALL it governs, where as conservatives just want a select few to be accounted for an listened to.

 

[WelshBloke]

Only because oil has plummeted and the Pope brokered the US/Cuba deal. Good job, Obama.

Regardless of how much input you think Obama has into it how would you describe someone who pisses off the rest of the world when their economy depends on exporting pretty much one product?
People who are saying Putins foreign policy is somehow superior to Obamas are just deluding themselves.

 

[TreVader]

I don't really understand the republicans love of Putin. He doesn't support "small government", religion, or freedom. Maybe they do want a tyrant.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't really understand the republicans love of Putin. He doesn't support "small government", religion, or freedom. Maybe they do want a tyrant.

And the American right wants to be more like them because they are afraid and think you fight fire with fire, and won't burn yourself alive doing so. It's all about fear. Reason can't defeat psychopathology, they think because it's what they know personally as crazies.

 

[WelshBloke]

I don't really understand the republicans love of Putin. He doesn't support "small government", religion, or freedom. Maybe they do want a tyrant.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend?

Lucky McCartney isn't around, they'd all be in jail.

 

[Zaap]

No one actually likes Putin. People just don't like obama either; he's the homegrown jackass. His bootlickers don't comprehend that, but of course actually they do it's just that dumb leftist sheep have found another dead horse to beat.

 

[zinfamous]

Nobody liked Putin, it was just hilarious how easy Putin made Obama look like a complete buffoon.

please tell me that you didn't type that with a straight face.

Because, honestly, no sensible person could imagine this to be true.

 

[zinfamous]

No one actually likes Putin. People just don't like obama either; he's the homegrown jackass. His bootlickers don't comprehend that, but of course actually they do it's just that dumb leftist sheep have found another dead horse to beat.

Plenty of "leftists" have ample reason to criticize and dislike Obama: rampant drone strikes, killing American citizens, NSA wiretapping, journalist subpoenas, failure to punish the fuckhole bankers that robbed this country, soft on climate change and the environment, allowing the DEA to run roughshod over legalized MJ while publically telling them not to, etc etc.


This doesnt' mean he is always wrong, all the time--regarding Russia and Putin? He was always right, all the time. And this is more obvious now than ever. It was obvious then, it's irrefutable now. You refuse to see it, because you lick the boots of your Tea party handlers. whatever Obama does, is wrong. That's it. Nothing more to discuss beyond why. Is it because he's black and scary? I never used to think this, but now I think it really is the base of truth for the goose-stepping conservative-types that have abandoned all common sense to perpetuate this narrative of "commi socialist evil muslim Obummer!"

The economy has done nothing but improve. Jobs are better. Healthcare is better for far more citizens than it ever was before (and still improving). But, reality doesnt' matter--because, I guess, he is an evil muslim black man. I can only interpret things this way, because when a collective group of people simply ignore the facts--quantifiable numbers, really no way to spin it--and just make up shit, they are obviously hiding the truth of their anger. This is something stupid people do when they have nothing left.

Basically: you're an idiot.

 

[WelshBloke]

No one actually likes Putin. People just don't like obama either; he's the homegrown jackass. His bootlickers don't comprehend that, but of course actually they do it's just that dumb leftist sheep have found another dead horse to beat.

Eh? No one's confused about people not liking Obama. You can like who you want. Its saying that Putin made Obama look like a clown when the facts actually have Putin looking like he has no idea what's going on and no control over the situation that has people puzzled.

 

[zinfamous]

This. Everything else is just the liberals twisting the facts. As usual.

You are claiming that "Putin made Obama look like a buffoon" as a factual statement.

Your realize, of course, that this is something purely subjective, right? it can never be "a fact."

Not only that, only a fucking idiot would think this. You like tyrannical bare-chested men riding bears in a photochop, who bluster publically about "strength" while standing on a hill of beans. That was never not true.

It just shows that you are a coward when it comes to intellect.

 

[Fern]

Remember earlier this year Fox News and Republicans fell so in love with Vladimir Putin.
Jon Stewart summed it up...
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/8gpcf5/big-vladdy---semi-delusional-autocrats

So they cast their lot with an evil communist dictator over the POTUS. Putin had invaded Crimea and all we could muster were some measly sanctions. The narrative took hold Putin good, that Kenyan Muslim bad. Fox lead the charge. Putin still that tiger wrasslin' strong leader??

So I have a couple of questions. Why are Fox News and Republicans so in love with Putin?

How long before Fox News and Republicans express their love for Kim Jong-Un since he has successfully caused a major company to back down from a terroristic threat. How long before Fox casts its lot with the pudgy 300lb version of Psy?

Wow. That's a complete misrepresentation. I say it's closer to complete fiction.

Fox News, and the guests they had on, advocated a much more hard stance against against Russia/Putin. Hey, they're the war mongers, right?

Fern

 

[zinfamous]

Wow. That's a complete misrepresentation. I say it's closer to complete fiction.

Fox News, and the guests they had on, advocated a much more hard stance against against Russia/Putin. Hey, they're the war mongers, right?

Fern

And yet the appropriate stance, implemented by the Obama admin worked, did it not?

And what other half of Fox and their friends wanted nothing to do with these inconsequential Ukrainians, "Over there somewhere in south or east Asia...hell, wherever it is dragons live, ya know?"

 

[fskimospy]

Wow. That's a complete misrepresentation. I say it's closer to complete fiction.

Fox News, and the guests they had on, advocated a much more hard stance against against Russia/Putin. Hey, they're the war mongers, right?

Fern

You're missing his point. They can absolutely argue for a harder line against Russia while still fetishizing Putin's leadership style, which is in fact what they did.

 

[Fern]

And yet the appropriate stance, implemented by the Obama admin worked, did it not?
-snip-

Worked?

Russia sent troops in and took the Crimea and are now occupying Easter Ukraine, poised for more fighting.

Worked, seriously?

Fern

 

[emperus]

Wow. That's a complete misrepresentation. I say it's closer to complete fiction.

Fox News, and the guests they had on, advocated a much more hard stance against against Russia/Putin. Hey, they're the war mongers, right?

Fern

Which part is fiction. The fact they praised and fawned over a world leader who was in direct conflict with our US president and US interests? Can you imagine if it were Democrats doing that?

I wonder what It is like to live in a never-ending land of cognitive dissonance?

 

[WelshBloke]

Worked?

Russia sent troops in and took the Crimea and are now occupying Easter Ukraine, poised for more fighting.

Worked, seriously?

Fern

Worked as in we are not at war?

 

[TreVader]

Putin is going to invade someone. His economy is fucked as long as oil stays cheap. He has zero industry, exports almost nothing and imports almost everything. The only thing Putin has going for him is the 3rd largest standing army on earth and his ICBMs to prevent us from retaliating. He will use the only thing he has to distract people from the economic collapse.


Mark my words, if oil doesn't improve he will invade somebody.

 

[fskimospy]

Worked?

Russia sent troops in and took the Crimea and are now occupying Easter Ukraine, poised for more fighting.

Worked, seriously?

Fern

Do you honestly think the US had a course of action available to it that would have stopped Russia from doing that? I mean I guess we could have gone to war, but that hardly seems like a better answer.

Russia is now striking a more conciliatory tone and the other countries bordering Russia are coming more concretely into our diplomatic orbit. Seems like about as good an outcome as we could have hoped for, no?

I'm always surprised at how frequently Obama's enemies underestimate him both at home and abroad. Andrew Sullivan has a whole "meep meep watch" set up for this. There are a lot of entries.