Hey Environmentalists, congrats! One of your groups just got named as the #1 domestic terrorist organization by the FBI

[Brutuskend]

<< Hey Environmentalists, congrats! One of your groups just got named as the #1 domestic terrorist organization by the FBI >>




<< Way to go, tree-huggers and "friends of the earth!" You always said you'd reach the top someday... Momma would be so proud of you >>


Who is speaking in generalities?

I wasn't. I was pointing out that the thread title itself is. And showing that one can't or shouldn't lump everyone in a group togather under one heading. To imply that I was would be agreeing with my above statements, which I think we all would have to agree are ridiculous. (The statements, NOT your agreeing with them.)

I recycle. Does that make me an Environmentalist? I'd like to think so. Yet I have never spiked a tree or torched a ski lodge.

And I suppose I'm a "tree hugger" in as much as I don't want to see the last of the old growth cut down in my state simply because the logging out fit's are too cheap or too lazy to re-tool the mill's to cut second growth. It all boils down to how to make the most money with the lest effort. And I object to that when "My" resources as a citizen of this country are at stake.

But again, I try and make MY voice heard in voting NOT in acting in an antisocial way.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Learn something new every day. I honestly didn't know they were that big of a hassle in countries like Finland! >>



They used to be big nuisance few years back, they haven't been making the headlines recently though. It could just be that media doesn't give them as much attention anymore.



<< Do they hit local Fast Food joints too? >>



To my knowledge they have focused on McDonalds. Finnish Fast Food "restaurants" have been left alone. I think it's weird, they all serve more or less same food, why is McD food so much worse that they must be attacked? I guess it's because those weirdoes are often also anti-globalisation, and McD represents everything they fight against.

They have attacked against shops that sell furs, and those are usually small local businesses.

Losers, if you ask me. They have destroyed the livelihood of several farmers who grow animals for their fur. While I do think that in time that business should come to an end, I do NOT accept that some group of people can destroy lives and livelihood of people who have done nothing illegal!

Luckily the police have been stepping up their efforts on the matter. And SuPo (our equivalent of CIA and FBI) has become "interested" in them.

 

[Texmaster]

<< To my knowledge they have focused on McDonalds. Finnish Fast Food "restaurants" have been left alone. I think it's weird, they all serve more or less same food, why is McD food so much worse that they must be attacked? I guess it's because those weirdoes are often also anti-globalisation, and McD represents everything they fight against.

They have attacked against shops that sell furs, and those are usually small local businesses.

Losers, if you ask me. They have destroyed the livelihood of several farmers who grow animals for their fur. While I do think that in time that business should come to an end, I do NOT accept that some group of people can destroy lives and livelihood of people who have done nothing illegal! >>



That kind of crap makes me mad too :|



<< Luckily the police have been stepping up their efforts on the matter. And SuPo (our equivalent of CIA and FBI) has become "interested" in them. >>



At least one country is taking care of business :|

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< Are they all terrorists also? >>



Look up the word "intent" and you shall have your answer.

 

[gopunk]

<< Just because someone is an Environmentalist does NOT make this one of their groups.
Saying that is like saying if your Catholic you condone and or practice child molestation because some priests have done (and continue to do) this. >>



like catholics, if environmentalists do not wish to be tainted by the presense of those of questionable value, they should voice their opposition and root out such parties.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

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I know that. I worked in a sawmill for 5 years. The amount of logs that are spiked that cause problems in sawmills is tiny compared to the ones that are full of bullets from redknecks having target practice, farmers nailing fences to them, Horse shoes growing inside of them over the years and log dogs from the logging industry themselves. Are they all terrorists also?
>>



No, because the environmentalist put the spikes in the trees with the intent of killing people, farmers did not.

edit: read the article.

 

[Eli]

You people have to understand also that to a lot of these people, when they see a 20 year old being cutting down a 700 year old tree, they think of it as murder.

I tend to agree.

But I don't think that terrorism is going to solve anything.

 

[LaBang]

and i suppose you think that every muslim is an al-queda terrorist too. you are very closeminded.

is there something fundamentally wrong with environmentalism?

 

[Texmaster]

<< Just because someone is an Environmentalist does NOT make this one of their groups.
Saying that is like saying if your Catholic you condone and or practice child molestation because some priests have done (and continue to do) this.
Or that if you own a computer, you your a hacker, and agree with everything THEY have done. >>



What a Horrible Analogy! It is a goal of enviromentalists to stop some of these businesses from running. Some are using violence to achieve that goal and these are the people targeted by the government.

The goal of Catholics is to practice their faith and to bring more people into Christianity. If Catholics used violence to convert people THEN it would be a good analogy but that ignorant statement trying to relate Child Molestation as a Catholic goal is simply moronic.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

<< and i suppose you think that every muslim is an al-queda terrorist too. you are very closeminded.

is there something fundamentally wrong with environmentalism? >>



You misunderstand. Nobody ever said all environmentalist are this extreme. Nobody is making these claims. (in my logic class, your argument is a straw man, ie you distort the real argument and you defeat the distorted argument and claim victory, no offense, I'am supposed to be studying for my logic exam... )

 

[Texmaster]

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<< and i suppose you think that every muslim is an al-queda terrorist too. you are very closeminded.

is there something fundamentally wrong with environmentalism? >>



You misunderstand. Nobody ever said all environmentalist are this extreme. Nobody is making these claims. (in my logic class, your argument is a straw man, ie you distort the real argument and you defeat the distorted argument and claim victory, no offense, I'am supposed to be studying for my logic exam... ) >>




A+

 

[glenn1]

<< and i suppose you think that every muslim is an al-queda terrorist too. you are very closeminded.

is there something fundamentally wrong with environmentalism? >>



I've already said that i was exaggerating the word "environmentalists" to include these whackjobs, for humorous effect. It's also intended as a very mild jab at a belief system whose basic beliefs i agree with, but disagree with on increasingly stronger terms as their proposed policies become more intrusive and IMHO counter-productive.

Again, if you're simply someone who considers yourself an environmentalist, i don't have a problem with you or your beliefs (although again i may disagree with some of them). The ones i'm talking about are the folks who would blow stuff up in the name of their environmental causes. Hopefully no one here falls into that camp, so i'm not giving you anything more than a mild ribbing for sharing a portion (to a lesser or greater extent) of your belief system with these loonies. I should hope you would be able to handle that, without being terminally offended

 

[rcraig]

The vice-president of PETA said that the tragedy on Sept. 11th was nothing comapired to the terror
faced everyday by millions of chickens. It's a good thing these people died so there will be less people
around to eat animals.

The President of HSUS stated he thought people should blow up all fast food restaurants and any
business that worked with animal products.

Now these should be on the top of our terrorists lists.

RCraig

 

[tcsenter]

<< The MTBE poision in the gas is clear example of enviro.terrorism. And now it's in the water/food chain and not from underground leaking tanks but from products of combustion from gas. >>

Oh boy, here we go again. Where does MTBE contamination come from? Overwhelmingly, from:

Leaking tanks

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Statement from the EPA's MTBE Blue Ribbon Panel, which has recommended that MTBE concentrations in reformulated gasoline be reduced.

"The major source of groundwater contamination appears to be releases from underground gasoline storage systems (UST)."

Their #1 recommendation was for the repair and replacement of LEAKING STORAGE TANKS.

 

[Texmaster]

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Statement from the EPA's MTBE Blue Ribbon Panel, which has recommended that MTBE concentrations in reformulated gasoline be reduced.

"The major source of groundwater contamination appears to be releases from underground gasoline storage systems (UST)."

Their #1 recommendation was for the repair and replacement of LEAKING STORAGE TANKS. >>



Oh boy here we go again

Of course its true that gasoline leaks from storage tanks but where do you think the MTBE chemicals are? IN THE GASOLINE.

Explain to us where these problems were the 70 years BEFORE when we were using just ordinary gas.

 

[tcsenter]

<< Explain to us where these problems were the 70 years BEFORE when we were using just ordinary gas. >>

Building to a level of concern. It wasn't like from 1901 to 1989 there were ZERO pollutants, and all of sudden in 1993, it just 'materialized' out of thin air. It was more like...1920 = .0003ppm, 1955 = .03ppm, 1995 = .3ppm...get my drift?

MTBE is added to combat air pollution, which has been a problem for two decades.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< Explain to us where these problems were the 70 years BEFORE when we were using just ordinary gas. >>

Building to a level of concern. It wasn't like from 1901 to 1989 there was ZERO pollutants, and all of sudden in 1993 there they were. It was more like...1901 = .0003ppm, 1955 = .03ppm, 1995 = .3ppm...get my drift?

MTBE is added to combat air pollution, which has been a problem for two decades. >>




MTBE is a unique pollutant that can be easily identified from normal gasoline. Many things can cause pollutants. They don't all fall under the same catagory.

 

[busmaster11]

<<

• Getting Started
  Before you even think about undertaking any action, read. Know this guide inside and out. Before you do anything youd better know how to do it right, or you may wind up in a lot of trouble. As with anything, the first time is the hardest. So start small. If your first action is a liberation of a large laboratory with high security you are going to have problems. Start by gluing locks or some spray paint. You can go about finding a target a few ways. First, you may want to decide what kind of establishment you want to target - a fur shop, a butcher shop, a factory farm or slaughterhouse, or maybe a fast food restaurant? If you are planning on getting involved in direct action you are hopefully already aware of various animal rights issues and probably know where and how to find whichever kind of abuser you want to target. Your local animal rights group is probably aware of abusers in the area, but keep in mind that local animal rights groups are the first people the police will question. The easiest way to find a target is to let your fingers do the walking. A phone book can direct you to all your local fur shops, butcher shops, etc. If fast food restaurants are your goal, you can't go down the street without seeing one. Locations of fur farms can be found in The Final Nail. Once youve begun and know what you are doing, go big. The more attacks you take part in the more likely it gets that you will get caught, so be sure that when you hit you hit hard.

:Q:Q >>


Glenn1,
This sounds very similiar to cultist text, reminds me of those Al Qaeda training manuals... Terrorists, like everyone says... Speaking of which, I consider myself pro-animal rights. (filled out PETA petitions in 4th grade) I also consider myself an environmentalist. Would you consider all Muslims, pro-animal rights people and environmentalists - terrorists? I thought not.

You can understand why it would be offensive to me to have you slander groups of people by associating them with terrorists... And why your thread, or atleast the first post, amounts to flamebait...

 

[tcsenter]

<< MTBE is a unique pollutant that can be easily identified from normal gasoline. Many things can cause pollutants. They don't all fall under the same catagory. >>

And your point is....?

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

<< Would you consider all Muslims, pro-animal rights people and environmentalists - terrorists? I thought not. >>



Would you people quit twisting the argument. Nobody is saying that all environmentalists are terriosts.

Link

 

[Texmaster]

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<< MTBE is a unique pollutant that can be easily identified from normal gasoline. Many things can cause pollutants. They don't all fall under the same catagory. >>

And your point is....? >>



That lumping ordinary gasoline and MTBE together as pollutants is not an accurate picture. The pollutants from MTBE are what do the real damage to the water table, not ordinary gasoline.

 

[tcsenter]

<< That lumping ordinary gasoline and MTBE together as pollutants is not an accurate picture. The pollutants from MTBE are what do the real damage to the water table, not ordinary gasoline. >>

I think you misunderstood my post or something. You're telling me nothing new.