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Hey California - time to start labeling another product as cancerous...

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DrPizza said:
Your ability to be pedantic is wonderful. I especially like the use of red text. However, your awareness of the world is slightly lacking.
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Though, if you wish to continue to be pedantic, I suppose in the first case, people could take a fraction of a "one a day" tablet, instead of ingesting a whole tablet at a time as intended. And, in the case of the one-a-day prenatal tablets in the second image, I suppose the mother could be a raging alcoholic whose entire diet consists of vodka and her one-a-day tablet. Because if she eats any food with any nutritional value at all, 100% + any percent greater than 0 exceeds the recommended dietary amount.
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Better stay away from sweet potatoes as a single sweet potato will throw you 10x over the RDA for Vit. A.

Aside: WTF is up with this new mobile layout? Navigation sucks and I had to spend five minutes to get a one sentence post with a quote to post correctly.
 
My FURNACE has a warning on it about causing cancer and birth defects in the state of California. Do people even HAVE a furnace in California? lol

I always laugh whenever I have to open it up and see that warning on the cover.
 
Red Squirrel said:
My FURNACE has a warning on it about causing cancer and birth defects in the state of California. Do people even HAVE a furnace in California? lol

I always laugh whenever I have to open it up and see that warning on the cover.
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a wat?
 
Red Squirrel said:
My FURNACE has a warning on it about causing cancer and birth defects in the state of California. Do people even HAVE a furnace in California? lol

I always laugh whenever I have to open it up and see that warning on the cover.
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I'm even more amused by products that say "not for sale in California." Californians have no idea what they're missing out on.
 
DrPizza said:
I'm even more amused by products that say "not for sale in California." Californians have no idea what they're missing out on.
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We know what we're missing out on (like disposable income and affordable housing) but aren't willing to sacrifice the awesomeness that is CA to get them.
 
Red Squirrel said:
My FURNACE has a warning on it about causing cancer and birth defects in the state of California. Do people even HAVE a furnace in California? lol

I always laugh whenever I have to open it up and see that warning on the cover.
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Lead. Please don't lick the furnace's control circuitry.
 
Ns1 said:
a wat?
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A furnace is a semi-portable device that contains a pocket of glorious California air. A blower pushes normal peasant air past the California air, which temporarily imbues the passing air with some of the wondrous properties of California, thus permitting northerners a brief respite from the frozen wastelands.





zinfamous said:
seriously.

no one needs a furnace here. get over it. and move to somewhere where humans consider habitable.
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*cough*water
 
Would be interesting to see their method for this, as there's a bunch of issues (not saying that their study is invalid, but delving deeper can help understand things more).

For starters, wasn't it known that supplements often did not provide what the labels even indicated and that there was even a bunch of them that included other things that could be toxic? So were they providing lab certified supplements or were they just surveying people taking off the shelf consumer supplements?

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they looked into other factors that would skew things (smokers, people who work in industries prone to higher cancer rates, and even just people who already had medical conditions that would indicate potential for increased cancer risk), but maybe I shouldn't?

That's the problem with a lot of human health studies is they really don't have an adequate control group to compare or don't properly evaluate the risks of the non-control group. That's not to say they're meaningless, as plenty of times that's not that big of a deal and just looking at the overall for a large population can help to give some ideas. But we need more targeted studies. It's why being able to make synthetic human organs in a lab is very important as we can isolate them and create actual control groups, and can more closely see the mechanisms in ways we obviously can't now.
 
This isn't surprising at all. It's dubious that it's the multivitamins that are cancerous, that's a faulty conclusion to make from that study. There are loads of other active compounds in fruits and veggies beyond what's found in your typical multivitamin and minerals. Antioxidants is one example and is found in many fruits and veggies in different forms. For example, basil alone contains a list of chemical components, many known to have antioxidant, antimicrobial properties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil#Chemical_components

You have lycopene in tomatoes.
http://www.cancer.org/treatment/tre...alternativemedicine/dietandnutrition/lycopene

Anthocyanin in blueberries
http://www.wildblueberries.com/health-research/antioxidants/
 
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yhelothar said:
This isn't surprising at all. It's not the multivitamins that are cancerous, that's a faulty conclusion to make from that study. There are loads of other active compounds in fruits and veggies beyond what's found in your typical multivitamin and minerals. Antioxidants is one example and is found in many fruits and veggies in different forms. For example, basil alone contains a list of chemical components, many known to have antioxidant, antimicrobial properties.
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Contemporary "science" is full of fraud and flaws and horrible critical thinking.

But "STEMS" are cool!

I remember reading how everyone was yelling about this a while ago and I was of sufficient tact to know not to jump towards believing anything.
 
yhelothar said:
Antioxidants is one example and is found in many fruits and veggies in different forms.
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And maybe one day someone will prove that antioxidants in food actually do any good. Or maybe not, they haven't been successful so far in showing that.
 
PhoKingGuy said:
The rationale for this is the supplements themselves are not regulated by the FDA and therefore have no exact quality control, there may be impurities in the pills themselves that increase the cancer risk.
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As opposed to the drugs that are "monitored" by the FDA but really get waived through to production so long as the pharma sponsored study has a good looking power-point and the check from them clears?
 
dullard said:
And maybe one day someone will prove that antioxidants in food actually do any good. Or maybe not, they haven't been successful so far in showing that.
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There's plenty of evidence demonstrating that diets high in fruits and vegetables containing a complex blend of antioxidants is helpful with cancer and artherosclerosis, and a good understanding of the mechanisms behind it. The part that hasn't been proven is antioxidant supplements having any benefit. It's hypothesized that perhaps a purified form doesn't work and the benefit comes from the interactions in the complex blend of antioxidants found in fruits and vegetables.

There are many active chemical components in foods that interact with our bodies in various ways that we don't fully understand yet. Thus it's important to get a variety of foods to obtain these components rather than relying on purified extracts of select ones based on our limited understanding of it.
 
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yhelothar said:
There's plenty of evidence demonstrating that diets high in fruits and vegetables containing a complex blend of antioxidants is helpful with cancer and artherosclerosis, and a good understanding of the mechanisms behind it. The part that hasn't been proven is antioxidant supplements having any benefit. It's hypothesized that perhaps a purified form doesn't work and the benefit comes from the interactions in the complex blend of antioxidants found in fruits and vegetables.

There are many active chemical components in foods that interact with our bodies in various ways that we don't fully understand yet. Thus it's important to get a variety of foods to obtain these components rather than relying on purified extracts of select ones based on our limited understanding of it.
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You would be EXTREMELY wrong on the idea that antioxidants have a noticeable effect on cancer rates.

The science is actually extremely mixed on this issue. A basic level of Antioxidants are needed for survival, but otherwise, very little agreement exists on if they are actually anti-carcinogenic. Actually in some cases, they can reduce the effectiveness for anti-cancer therepies
 
NikolaeVarius said:
You would be EXTREMELY wrong on the idea that antioxidants have a noticeable effect on cancer rates.
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That's a firm and strong statement you're making there for acknowledging that the science is mixed.

There are conflicting studies regarding experiments testing specific purified antioxidant supplements in high doses and experiments testing a blend of antioxidants in a natural context with whole fruits and vegetables. There is definitely more research to be done regarding the interactions of the antioxidants and any helper molecules that may be involved. It would be premature to make a firm and strong statement regarding the role of antioxidants and cancer prevention and treatment.
 
yhelothar said:
That's a firm and strong statement you're making there for acknowledging that the science is mixed.

There are conflicting studies regarding experiments testing specific purified antioxidant supplements in high doses and experiments testing a blend of antioxidants in a natural context with whole fruits and vegetables. There is definitely more research to be done regarding the interactions of the antioxidants and any helper molecules that may be involved. It would be premature to make a firm and strong statement regarding the role of antioxidants and cancer prevention and treatment.
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Lolwut. Moving the goalposts much?
 
yhelothar said:
There's plenty of evidence demonstrating that diets high in fruits and vegetables containing a complex blend of antioxidants is helpful with cancer and artherosclerosis, and a good understanding of the mechanisms behind it.
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It would be premature to make a firm and strong statement regarding the role of antioxidants and cancer prevention and treatment.
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I'm puzzled by your two statements.

I'll just put this here:
http://www.nature.com/news/antioxidants-speed-cancer-in-mice-1.14606

and this:
http://www.livescience.com/46927-antioxidant-supplements-cancer.html
 
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