Hey ATOT Vigilantes!

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd
It DOES matter if you are arguing over his actual guilt or innocent as a matter of personal opinion. Now if you are talking about his standing in a legal court, he is considered innocent. However, my point was not that at all. Just a very simple one. We have NO WAY OF KNOWING if he is innocent or guilty. WE DON'T. AT ALL. Good assumption.

In the fact that people tried to kill him over this his guilt DOES NOT MATTER.

really it does not. WE have laws and courts for a reason. AS of right now he is innocent of all charges of child porn.

Hell even the 2 idiots that killed his wife are innocent so the courts can't punish them either. hell nobody can.

Look again. I NEVER argued any of that. I made a simple point.

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: Greyd
Good Job! Is your self-righteous tank filled up?

I could ask the same question of you. In fact, I did, albeit indirectly:

And we shouldn't be posting about everybody that has worse things happen to them as you suggest. If we followed your train of logic we couldn't post about anybody except the person who has the absolute worst thing in the world happen to them, which is a preposterous notion. We should be posting about what we feel like. In this case the OP had a strong interest in the specifics of this case, especially relative to his experience here at ATOT. Get off your high horse, the OP doesn't need lessons in morality from you.

 

[irishScott]

Nothing wrong with Vigilante justice in principle. It's just unsure and unfair.

Good example: I witness my sister's rape and murder by some guy. He has 2 guys lie for him and I have no witnesses. If I decided to go the Vigilante route (which would probably look very tempting) I would hunt him down and kill him, and find some way to determine whether the 2 liars knew what they were doing. If they did, I'd kill them too. Justice is served.

Bad example: See op. Stupid vigilantes take extreme measures for stupid reasons. Innocents get hurt.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd
Good Job! Is your self-righteous tank filled up?

I could ask the same question of you. In fact, I did, albeit indirectly:

And we shouldn't be posting about everybody that has worse things happen to them as you suggest. If we followed your train of logic we couldn't post about anybody except the person who has the absolute worst thing in the world happen to them, which is a preposterous notion. We should be posting about what we feel like. In this case the OP had a strong interest in the specifics of this case, especially relative to his experience here at ATOT. Get off your high horse, the OP doesn't need lessons in morality from you.

I never was here to teach any lesson. Just to make some simple comments. Which suddenly became this HUGE dramatic debate. You created your own lesson on self-righteousness.

I would like to point out that it also seems that ATOT doesn't need lessons of morality from you.

Don't worry be happy. Here's a beer. :beer: If you're not full that is.

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: Greyd
I would like to point out that it also seems that ATOT doesn't need lessons of morality from you.

ATOT doesn't, just you. And not from me specifically, just from anyone with some common sense.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Congrats! Some of your brothers in arms managed to get an innocent woman killed by torching this dude's house because he was accused of being in possession of child pornography.

Story

Really excellent stuff. Congrats again to whoever did it (the people involved are of course all now blaming each other while claiming they personally had no involvement)

Again, lock 'em up for the rest of their life. This "They deserve to suffer the slowest more horrible form of death imaginable" nonsense makes whoever thinks that way as bad as the offender themselves.

QQ more! i'm fairly certain the people who want to see pedophiles dead aren't advocating torching their homes, that's much too easy to escape from, as witnessed here.

 

[Agentbolt]

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

I don't particularly care that this chick died, seeing as how people die for horribly unfair reasons every day in the world. I'm not sure where you get that I'm particularly upset about the whole affair. The reason I posted it is because of people like this

Honestly? These rapists don't deserve any kind of fair treatment. They deserve a painful agonizing death.

Who somehow think they're part of the solution. Or people who's solution is "Throw him in a cell with Bubba! He should be raped constantly and violently! That'll teach him that rape is completely unacceptable!" It's just amazing the blatant, horrific hypocrisy that comes out in this place every time a situation like this comes up.

There are probably some people who read this part of the story

A Nova Scotia man used Maine's sex offender registry last year to find and fatally shoot two registered sex offenders

and thought "Awesome! That guy's a hero!". I mean, I don't really worry about it, because thankfully morons with that attitude never end up in a position of power where they could actually change the laws to make stuff acceptable, but it is a little difficult to imagine how someone's brain could be so completely non-functional that they've somehow convinced themselves that that's the way the world should work.

There are some people who think rapists and kiddie molesters can be "rehabilitated" or whatever, and they're certainly entitled to their opinion, but I don't agree. Molesting a kid or violently raping someone should automatically equal life in prison. I'm merely also stating the sizeable tough-guy ATOT contingent who somehow seem to think that murder and rape are appropriate responses to rape are idiots who have no clue about justice.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Look at AbAbber2k's response to your post. He did go back in and get her. From the article quote, it appears he didn't escape under his own power but went back in once he could.

EDIT: Personally, I can't blame a guy for not immediately realizing his wife is not already safe. In that kind of situation, you never know what goes through someone's mind. He went back in beyond what I expect of most people. But hey, none of us where there, were we?

I read that he went back in but my point was he got out FIRST. After he was safe from harm then he went back in to try and save his wife who was still inside. He had a kid break a window to free him but managed to carry his wife out? I also cannot blame him for saving his own skin first but since I care about my wife I would always ensure her safety above my own. As soon as the kid broke the window the first thing out of a normal person's mouth would be "I need to find my wife".

And to high and mighty Mr.biggestmuff I love how you try to tool me with grammar and then make flagrant use of the ellipsis. NICE.. .. .. ... . . ... .... ...lol

I used them for a dramatic pause, dingus. :roll:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Congrats! Some of your brothers in arms managed to get an innocent woman killed by torching this dude's house because he was accused of being in possession of child pornography.

Story

Really excellent stuff. Congrats again to whoever did it (the people involved are of course all now blaming each other while claiming they personally had no involvement)

Again, lock 'em up for the rest of their life. This "They deserve to suffer the slowest more horrible form of death imaginable" nonsense makes whoever thinks that way as bad as the offender themselves.

There's a huge difference between wishing a slow torturous death on someone and acting on it.

Judging by the thread about the lawyer who killed his neighbor because he thought the neighbor molested his kid, a lot of people here WOULD act on it. A lot of people thought the guy was justified and said they would have done the same thing. Sucks that it turned out that the neighbor never molested the kid...

Well, they're idiots. And I'd be willing to bet that in real life these e-thugs probably wouldn't act on it anyway.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Congrats! Some of your brothers in arms managed to get an innocent woman killed by torching this dude's house because he was accused of being in possession of child pornography.

Story

Really excellent stuff. Congrats again to whoever did it (the people involved are of course all now blaming each other while claiming they personally had no involvement)

Again, lock 'em up for the rest of their life. This "They deserve to suffer the slowest more horrible form of death imaginable" nonsense makes whoever thinks that way as bad as the offender themselves.

Who managed to get her killed again? So a man and a wife are in a house together, it bursts into flames and ONLY he escapes?

Lets here the rest of the married guys here tell me if their house is on fire they're going to run out first and look for wife later LOL!!!

I most certainly wouldn't !!

I would make sure to kick her in the knee first on my way out

 

[BurnItDwn]

There is a big difference between people who talk big, and somebody who burns somebodys house down because they accuse them of something.

Most "ATOT vigilantes" want to do bad stuff to bad people, yes , but they want to conduct it in a way that will not directly hurt any other people other than the accused.

 

[Squisher]

Well I don't know that I'm an ATOT vigilante, although I've proposed draconian punishments for crimes against children. I believe the last inference was the handing out of 50,000 needle nose pliers and allowing everyone to pull a chunk out of the guy.

Well, I certainly won't be the one to stand for anyone's rights to be violated. A nice trial, a jury of their peers and all that, but if such a time comes when it can be proved beyond any doubt that a such a heinous crime against the frailest in our society has taken place I do volunteer my services and the services of my needle nose pliers.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Squisher
Well I don't know that I'm an ATOT vigilante, although I've proposed draconian punishments for crimes against children. I believe the last inference was the handing out of 50,000 needle nose pliers and allowing everyone to pull a chunk out of the guy.

Well, I certainly won't be the one to stand for anyone's rights to be violated. A nice trial, a jury of their peers and all that, but if such a time comes when it can be proved beyond any doubt that a such a heinous crime against the frailest in our society has taken place I do volunteer my services and the services of my needle nose pliers.

thats how i feel.

the punishment should be harsh. Of course after a trail and found guilty.