Hey ATOT Vigilantes!

[LordNoob]

Disclaimer: this is not and should not be used as legal advice. Do not rely upon this statement; do your own research.

Let me give ATOT a hint about trying to use self defense as a complete defense in a potential murder/manslaughter trial. The level of the force used must be commensurate with the level of the threat posed. When there is no longer a threat posed, you cannot use additional deadly force past this point (in theory). For example, using the rape example from above: the lady could shoot once or twice or a few times more than that, but once the rapist no longer posed a threat, it does not look good to keep firing, as this is not protected (in theory) by "self defense" as a complete defense. Now I am not saying she would get convicted if she unloaded two magazines of ammo, but it certainly would not look good. This is even more so with a male shooter/defendant. I am talking about self-defense cases in public, not in one's own home, as those tend to provide a lot more leeway for the victims.

Disclaimer: this is not and should not be used as legal advice. Do not rely upon this statement; do your own research.

 

[Greyd]

Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

 

[TehMac]

I despise sex offenders (real sex offenders) but I wouldn't do vigilante shit on their ass, unless they were going personal on me.

I'd just hand them over to the law, and vote for the death penalty, and have them get shot. Problem solved.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: Greyd
1) We're not sure he's innocent.

Good thing we're in America, where that isn't supposed to be the question.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd
1) We're not sure he's innocent.

Good thing we're in America, where that isn't supposed to be the question.

and????? What's your point?

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

1) Now you are playing with semantics. Yay for missing the point of my post entirely! isgust; Loki mentioned that the man was innocent. I replied that we are not sure if he is. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent. Just that we can't make that assumption either way. Now if I was a lawyer in a court of law then you can say something about it.

2) Loki mentioned that we should care when someone dies. My point is that it is WEIRD that the OP feels so strongly about this one case. If we should feel as unselfishly as Loki assumes we should, then we should be posting about all the many pepole dying everyday.

Reading comprehension FTW!

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd
1) We're not sure he's innocent.

Good thing we're in America, where that isn't supposed to be the question.

and????? What's your point?

My point is that you (in your armchair bloodthirst) are fast to condemn a man based on allegations. That is not how things are done here.

Edit: And we shouldn't be posting about everybody that has worse things happen to them as you suggest. If we followed your train of logic we couldn't post about anybody except the person who has the absolute worst thing in the world happen to them, which is a preposterous notion. We should be posting about what we feel like. In this case the OP had a strong interest in the specifics of this case, especially relative to his experience here at ATOT. Get off your high horse, the OP doesn't need lessons in morality from you.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd
1) We're not sure he's innocent.

Good thing we're in America, where that isn't supposed to be the question.

and????? What's your point?

My point is that you (in your armchair bloodthirst) are fast to condemn a man based on allegations. That is not how things are done here.

wow that's a WHOLE LOAD of ASSumptions you got there. Now where exactly did you get all this info about my condemnation? My post talked about us not knowing if the guy was innocent or guilty. Simply that. Unless you can read minds. Which you seem to be able to do.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

1) Now you are playing with semantics. Yay for missing the point of my post entirely! isgust; Loki mentioned that the man was innocent. I replied that we are not sure if he is. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent. Just that we can't make that assumption either way. Now if I was a lawyer in a court of law then you can say something about it.

2) Loki mentioned that we should care when someone dies. My point is that it is WEIRD that the OP feels so strongly about this one case. If we should feel as unselfishly as Loki assumes we should, then we should be posting about all the many pepole dying everyday.

Reading comprehension FTW!

res reading comprehension. it might be something you want to learn soon.

1) IT does not matter if you THINK he is guilty. you can't do anything ot him. IF you do it is a crime. the courts are the ones to do out punishment. Here in the US he is innocent (so you can't punish him) until guilty (now you can punish him). what they did was attempted murder and murder.

2 is really to fucking stupid to argue with. Not everyone dies from viglantie justice. not to mention the arguments we have had recently (the lawyer murder, guy finding someone in his house at night etc).

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

1) Now you are playing with semantics. Yay for missing the point of my post entirely! isgust; Loki mentioned that the man was innocent. I replied that we are not sure if he is. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent. Just that we can't make that assumption either way. Now if I was a lawyer in a court of law then you can say something about it.

2) Loki mentioned that we should care when someone dies. My point is that it is WEIRD that the OP feels so strongly about this one case. If we should feel as unselfishly as Loki assumes we should, then we should be posting about all the many pepole dying everyday.

Reading comprehension FTW!

res reading comprehension. it might be something you want to learn soon.

1) IT does not matter if you THINK he is guilty. you can't do anything ot him. IF you do it is a crime. the courts are the ones to do out punishment. Here in the US he is innocent (so you can't punish him) until guilty (now you can punish him). what they did was attempted murder and murder.

2 is really to fucking stupid to argue with. Not everyone dies from viglantie justice. not to mention the arguments we have had recently (the lawyer murder, guy finding someone in his house at night etc).

1) Uhh read my post again. I did not say I thought he was guilty OR innocent. Just your knee jerk assumption. I never talked about the vigilantes at all or condemn the guy. I simply stated that we don't know if he is either one. Get your eyes checked.

2) So you're saying that because less people die from vigilante justice that they should get more sympathy? What do the other arguments have to do with this point????

Maybe you should train up on logic AND reading comprehension.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

1) Now you are playing with semantics. Yay for missing the point of my post entirely! isgust; Loki mentioned that the man was innocent. I replied that we are not sure if he is. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent. Just that we can't make that assumption either way. Now if I was a lawyer in a court of law then you can say something about it.

2) Loki mentioned that we should care when someone dies. My point is that it is WEIRD that the OP feels so strongly about this one case. If we should feel as unselfishly as Loki assumes we should, then we should be posting about all the many pepole dying everyday.

Reading comprehension FTW!

We have this interesting concept in the American legal system, it's called "innocent until proven guilty". It's really fascinating, because a lot of authoritarian societies do not have it. Apparently, some ATOT posters are unaware of it as well.

Regardless of whether or not this guy actually was in possession of child pornography when he got arrested, two other people are now accused of the attempted murder of this guy and for the death of his wife. Which is the greater crime?

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd
1) We're not sure he's innocent.

Good thing we're in America, where that isn't supposed to be the question.

and????? What's your point?

My point is that you (in your armchair bloodthirst) are fast to condemn a man based on allegations. That is not how things are done here.

wow that's a WHOLE LOAD of ASSumptions you got there. Now where exactly did you get all this info about my condemnation? My post talked about us not knowing if the guy was innocent or guilty. Simply that. Unless you can read minds. Which you seem to be able to do.

A whole load? I see one assumption, and a pretty safe one. You start off with "Is OP scared?", implying you're one for If-you-don't-do-anything-wrong-you-don't-have-anything to-worry-about justice, and then follow with "We're not sure he's innocent.", implying you're a follower of guilty-until-proven-innocent justice. I may have made an assumption, but it wasn't an unreasonable one based on the connotations in your posts.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

1) Now you are playing with semantics. Yay for missing the point of my post entirely! isgust; Loki mentioned that the man was innocent. I replied that we are not sure if he is. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent. Just that we can't make that assumption either way. Now if I was a lawyer in a court of law then you can say something about it.

2) Loki mentioned that we should care when someone dies. My point is that it is WEIRD that the OP feels so strongly about this one case. If we should feel as unselfishly as Loki assumes we should, then we should be posting about all the many pepole dying everyday.

Reading comprehension FTW!

res reading comprehension. it might be something you want to learn soon.

1) IT does not matter if you THINK he is guilty. you can't do anything ot him. IF you do it is a crime. the courts are the ones to do out punishment. Here in the US he is innocent (so you can't punish him) until guilty (now you can punish him). what they did was attempted murder and murder.

2 is really to fucking stupid to argue with. Not everyone dies from viglantie justice. not to mention the arguments we have had recently (the lawyer murder, guy finding someone in his house at night etc).

1) Uhh read my post again. I did not say I thought he was guilty OR innocent. Just your knee jerk assumption. I never talked about the vigilantes at all or condemn the guy. I simply stated that we don't know if he is either one. Get your eyes checked.

2) So you're saying that because less people die from vigilante justice that they should get more sympathy? What do the other arguments have to do with this point????

Maybe you should train up on logic AND reading comprehension.

you posted "1) We're not sure he's innocent" we are posting that IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER. he IS innocent until the courts say he is not. UNTIL then you can't do a fucking thing to him. IF you do its a crime. really its not hard to understand why you are getting flack ove rit. damn.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

1) Now you are playing with semantics. Yay for missing the point of my post entirely! isgust; Loki mentioned that the man was innocent. I replied that we are not sure if he is. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent. Just that we can't make that assumption either way. Now if I was a lawyer in a court of law then you can say something about it.

2) Loki mentioned that we should care when someone dies. My point is that it is WEIRD that the OP feels so strongly about this one case. If we should feel as unselfishly as Loki assumes we should, then we should be posting about all the many pepole dying everyday.

Reading comprehension FTW!

We have this interesting concept in the American legal system, it's called "innocent until proven guilty". It's really fascinating, because a lot of authoritarian societies do not have it. Apparently, some ATOT posters are unaware of it as well.

Regardless of whether or not this guy actually was in possession of child pornography when he got arrested, two other people are now accused of the attempted murder of this guy and for the death of his wife. Which is the greater crime?

My argument was NEVER ABOUT THAT. READ AGAIN.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

1) Now you are playing with semantics. Yay for missing the point of my post entirely! isgust; Loki mentioned that the man was innocent. I replied that we are not sure if he is. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent. Just that we can't make that assumption either way. Now if I was a lawyer in a court of law then you can say something about it.

2) Loki mentioned that we should care when someone dies. My point is that it is WEIRD that the OP feels so strongly about this one case. If we should feel as unselfishly as Loki assumes we should, then we should be posting about all the many pepole dying everyday.

Reading comprehension FTW!

res reading comprehension. it might be something you want to learn soon.

1) IT does not matter if you THINK he is guilty. you can't do anything ot him. IF you do it is a crime. the courts are the ones to do out punishment. Here in the US he is innocent (so you can't punish him) until guilty (now you can punish him). what they did was attempted murder and murder.

2 is really to fucking stupid to argue with. Not everyone dies from viglantie justice. not to mention the arguments we have had recently (the lawyer murder, guy finding someone in his house at night etc).

1) Uhh read my post again. I did not say I thought he was guilty OR innocent. Just your knee jerk assumption. I never talked about the vigilantes at all or condemn the guy. I simply stated that we don't know if he is either one. Get your eyes checked.

2) So you're saying that because less people die from vigilante justice that they should get more sympathy? What do the other arguments have to do with this point????

Maybe you should train up on logic AND reading comprehension.

you posted "1) We're not sure he's innocent" we are posting that IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER. he IS innocent until the courts say he is not. UNTIL then you can't do a fucking thing to him. IF you do its a crime. really its not hard to understand why you are getting flack ove rit. damn.

Even if he's found guilty you still "can't do a fucking thing to him". Only the state can set an appropriate sentence for a crime. If you burn down his house and kill his wife in the process after he's found guilty, you have still committed crimes for which you should be punished appropriately.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd
1) We're not sure he's innocent.

Good thing we're in America, where that isn't supposed to be the question.

and????? What's your point?

My point is that you (in your armchair bloodthirst) are fast to condemn a man based on allegations. That is not how things are done here.

wow that's a WHOLE LOAD of ASSumptions you got there. Now where exactly did you get all this info about my condemnation? My post talked about us not knowing if the guy was innocent or guilty. Simply that. Unless you can read minds. Which you seem to be able to do.

A whole load? I see one assumption, and a pretty safe one. You start off with "Is OP scared?", implying you're one for If-you-don't-do-anything-wrong-you-don't-have-anything to-worry-about justice, and then follow with "We're not sure he's innocent.", implying you're a follower of guilty-until-proven-innocent justice. I may have made an assumption, but it wasn't an unreasonable one based on the connotations in your posts.

No my whole point in saying that "we're not sure he's innocent" was simply that. How do you know for sure???? I said nor implied anything about the courts or his legal standing or whether hew as guilty or not. Assumptions are still assumption and you assumed wrong.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Greyd
My argument was NEVER ABOUT THAT. READ AGAIN.

YOU are the one that posted "1) We're not sure he's innocent."

we are stateing IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER.

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Even if he's found guilty you still "can't do a fucking thing to him". Only the state can set an appropriate sentence for a crime. If you burn down his house and kill his wife in the process after he's found guilty, you have still committed crimes for which you should be punished appropriately.

100% true.

I was just getting at the point until found guilty he can NOT be punished. by anyone.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Greyd
Is OP scared? Why does OP care?

shouldn't we all care when an innocent man gets his wife killed and burned out of his home because of what people "think" he did?

1) We're not sure he's innocent.

2) There are plenty of people, including CHILDREN dying in other countries AND the US who deserve just as much if not more sympathy for this woman. My whole point is that it is weird that the OP feels so strongly about this case.

1) strangly the courts and most people disagree. until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

2) WTF? what does that have to do wiht anything?


I am sorry his wife died. The idiots that killed her should go to jail for a long time.

IF i found someone in my kids room at night or even the day in the act. damn right i would kill them.

After the fact i would want the courts to do it. IF the courts refuse or fuck it up i am not sure what i would do.

1) Now you are playing with semantics. Yay for missing the point of my post entirely! isgust; Loki mentioned that the man was innocent. I replied that we are not sure if he is. I'm not saying he is guilty or innocent. Just that we can't make that assumption either way. Now if I was a lawyer in a court of law then you can say something about it.

2) Loki mentioned that we should care when someone dies. My point is that it is WEIRD that the OP feels so strongly about this one case. If we should feel as unselfishly as Loki assumes we should, then we should be posting about all the many pepole dying everyday.

Reading comprehension FTW!

res reading comprehension. it might be something you want to learn soon.

1) IT does not matter if you THINK he is guilty. you can't do anything ot him. IF you do it is a crime. the courts are the ones to do out punishment. Here in the US he is innocent (so you can't punish him) until guilty (now you can punish him). what they did was attempted murder and murder.

2 is really to fucking stupid to argue with. Not everyone dies from viglantie justice. not to mention the arguments we have had recently (the lawyer murder, guy finding someone in his house at night etc).

1) Uhh read my post again. I did not say I thought he was guilty OR innocent. Just your knee jerk assumption. I never talked about the vigilantes at all or condemn the guy. I simply stated that we don't know if he is either one. Get your eyes checked.

2) So you're saying that because less people die from vigilante justice that they should get more sympathy? What do the other arguments have to do with this point????

Maybe you should train up on logic AND reading comprehension.

you posted "1) We're not sure he's innocent" we are posting that IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER. he IS innocent until the courts say he is not. UNTIL then you can't do a fucking thing to him. IF you do its a crime. really its not hard to understand why you are getting flack ove rit. damn.

It DOES matter if you are arguing over his actual guilt or innocent as a matter of personal opinion. Now if you are talking about his standing in a legal court, he is considered innocent. However, my point was not that at all. Just a very simple one. We have NO WAY OF KNOWING if he is innocent or guilty. WE DON'T. AT ALL. Good assumption.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: Greyd
1) We're not sure he's innocent.

Good thing we're in America, where that isn't supposed to be the question.

and????? What's your point?

My point is that you (in your armchair bloodthirst) are fast to condemn a man based on allegations. That is not how things are done here.

wow that's a WHOLE LOAD of ASSumptions you got there. Now where exactly did you get all this info about my condemnation? My post talked about us not knowing if the guy was innocent or guilty. Simply that. Unless you can read minds. Which you seem to be able to do.

A whole load? I see one assumption, and a pretty safe one. You start off with "Is OP scared?", implying you're one for If-you-don't-do-anything-wrong-you-don't-have-anything to-worry-about justice, and then follow with "We're not sure he's innocent.", implying you're a follower of guilty-until-proven-innocent justice. I may have made an assumption, but it wasn't an unreasonable one based on the connotations in your posts.

No my whole point in saying that "we're not sure he's innocent" was simply that. How do you know for sure???? I said nor implied anything about the courts or his legal standing or whether hew as guilty or not. Assumptions are still assumption and you assumed wrong.

and we are saying IT DOES NOT MATTER.

 

[Greyd]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Greyd
My argument was NEVER ABOUT THAT. READ AGAIN.

YOU are the one that posted "1) We're not sure he's innocent."

we are stateing IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER.

It doesn't matter if he is in court. However, it DOES matter if we are simply making opinions about whether he is or not.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Greyd
It DOES matter if you are arguing over his actual guilt or innocent as a matter of personal opinion. Now if you are talking about his standing in a legal court, he is considered innocent. However, my point was not that at all. Just a very simple one. We have NO WAY OF KNOWING if he is innocent or guilty. WE DON'T. AT ALL. Good assumption.

In the fact that people tried to kill him over this his guilt DOES NOT MATTER.

really it does not. WE have laws and courts for a reason. AS of right now he is innocent of all charges of child porn.

Hell even the 2 idiots that killed his wife are innocent so the courts can't punish them either. hell nobody can.

 

[Greyd]

Hahaha. I think my overall point has been cemented. Most of you anti-vigilante people who posted in this thread are so KNEE-JERK in your ideals, you turn simple comments into complex ones. Reading much more into them than was every intended. You guys are so quick to jump at the most offhand comment, it is ridiculous. My comments were never arguing the legitimacy of the legal standing of this person or the legitimacy of vigilantism. I simply made comments which you guys blew into a debate. I wasn't arguing for or against vigilantism. I was simply making the point that it is odd that the OP cares so much about this one person, when you "lovers of life" could be putting more energy into the people dying in horrendous conditions around the world.

Good Job! Is your self-righteous tank filled up?