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He's baaaaack. Trent Lott new Senate Minority Whip.

techs

techs

Lifer
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/us_congress

WASHINGTON - Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott, ousted from the top Senate Republican leadership job four years ago because of remarks considered racially insensitive, won election to the No. 2 post Wednesday for the minority GOP in the next Congress. Lott returned to the center of power by getting the position of vote-counting GOP whip, nosing out Sen. Lamar Alexander. Sen. Rick Santorum told reporters that Lott beat Alexander by a 25-24 vote.



So is Lott a win for the neo-cons or the Republicans?
Lott was thrown to the wolves for his unwillingness to continue the Clinton impeachment battle to the last, despite the fact he knew there were not enough votes and it was tearing apart the country, and the far right, and Karl Rove hated him for it. So when the Strom Thurmond controversery came up the White House got him pushed out as leader.
The guy he beat, Lamar Alexander, was actually encouraged to run for the Senate by the White House and Karl Rove.
So I'd say it's a win for the Republicans and a loss for the Bush and the Neo-Cons.
 
Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/us_congress

WASHINGTON - Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott, ousted from the top Senate Republican leadership job four years ago because of remarks considered racially insensitive, won election to the No. 2 post Wednesday for the minority GOP in the next Congress. Lott returned to the center of power by getting the position of vote-counting GOP whip, nosing out Sen. Lamar Alexander. Sen. Rick Santorum told reporters that Lott beat Alexander by a 25-24 vote.



So is Lott a win for the neo-cons or the Republicans?
ott was thrown to the wolves for his unwillingness to continue the Clinton impeachment battle to the last, despite the fact he knew there were not enough votes and it was tearing apart the country, and the far right, and Karl Rove hated him for it. So when the Strom Thurmond controversery came up the White House got him pushed out as leader.
The guy he beat, Lamar Alexander, was actually encouraged to run for the Senate by the White House and Karl Rove.
So I'd say it's a win for the Republicans and a loss for the Bush and the Neo-Cons.
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Its a win for the true republicans(even if Lott might be racist). Lott was pretty gleeful after the dems took over with his I told you so look. He warned his fellow republicans about their policies and what would happen over past two years or so and no one listened.
 
People say stupid stuff and they often do stupid things. All great men have character flaws and perfection does not exist.

Lott seems like a good guy that really wants to stand up for the *Republican* party, not these morons who are spend happy while rubber stamping the President.
 
The # 1 Senate Repub---Mitch McConnel is in MHO, a total idiot and will be a neo-con pawn. Trent Lott---in MHO, is not a a neo-con pawn type---but sadly Trent will be loyal to Mitch.

With the GOP standing just one democratic heart attack away from being the majority party in the Senate---the repubs are going to stress party unity more than ever in the upcoming congress. But I for one welcome Trent Lott back---he said something stupid---and has paid the price for it---but Lott's track record is in being someone who can reach across party lines,
and talk to his democratic counterparts.--Lott is overall a decent person---who will put country over party. Please Trent, don't prove me wrong.
 
Wasn't that the war where a bunch of manifest destiny believers thought that we should take over 1/2 of Mexico because it was our god given right? And then to "soften" the blow we paid some absolutely tiny amount for what amounted to like 1/3rd the current US... How the hell can we say someone is a "hero" when they CLEARLY fought an aggressive campaign even more blatant than Iraq since we stole the land? I have a problem with calling the general of such a campaign a "hero"....
 
techs, I think you have it wrong. Lott wasn't "thrown to the wolves" because he refused to push the Clinton impeachment to the last. In fact, Lott pushed hard and suceeded in having an impeachment trial of Clinton in the Senate even though it was clear there wouldn't be enough votes for an impeachment before the trial began.

Lott lost his leadership position due to his over-enthusiastic (to put it mildy) praise of Strom Thurmond's racially charged past politics at Thurmond's retirement party.

When Frist replaced Lott, I thought it was good news. Time has proven what a tool Frist was-good riddance when his term is up.

I think Lott's selection has more to do with his fellow GOP Senators' perception of his leadership qualities than any neocon or White House connection.

magomago: Yes. The United State's first clearly aggressive war, rarely remembered or mentioned because of our shame about it.
 
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: loki8481
possible racism aside, trent lott's always seemed like a pretty decent guy.
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Possible incompetence aside, Bush seems pretty intelligent. :laugh:
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see, that's just a lie 😛

I can accept the fact that people are racist, homophobic, whatever, as long as their beliefs don't have an impact on their ability to do their job... I don't think that could be said for Bush's incompetence. haha.
 
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And what is wrong with Jefferson Davis?
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Anybody that stands up for state's rights and less fed encroachment in my life is OK in my book.
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You support nullification?
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Are you talking about the Nullification Crisis? That's hard to say since that happened about 146 years before I was born and roughly 92 years before my family came to the U.S.
 
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And what is wrong with Jefferson Davis?
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Anybody that stands up for state's rights and less fed encroachment in my life is OK in my book.
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You support nullification?
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The Northern states were attempting to dictate to the Southern states issues that were not considered to be Federal and/or illegal. The Southern states felt that they were being blocked from redress.

In a way is is similar to the "blue" costal states attempting to dictate policy to the "red" interior states.

Higher population density trying to politically control the low density states

 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And what is wrong with Jefferson Davis?
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Anybody that stands up for state's rights and less fed encroachment in my life is OK in my book.
Click to expand...

You support nullification?
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Are you talking about the Nullification Crisis? That's hard to say since that happened about 146 years before I was born and roughly 92 years before my family came to the U.S.
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Do you support the idea of giving every state the power to disregard laws that they don't like?
 
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And what is wrong with Jefferson Davis?
Click to expand...

Anybody that stands up for state's rights and less fed encroachment in my life is OK in my book.
Click to expand...

You support nullification?
Click to expand...

Are you talking about the Nullification Crisis? That's hard to say since that happened about 146 years before I was born and roughly 92 years before my family came to the U.S.
Click to expand...

Do you support the idea of giving every state the power to disregard laws that they don't like?
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No, that would be anarchy. I support a less intrusive federal government and states being allowed to determine what's best for its respective population. You are grossly oversimplifying the Nullification Crisis in an attempt to steer this conversation. Things like interstate trade are obviously the domain of the federal government.
 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
You are grossly oversimplifying the Nullification Crisis in an attempt to steer this conversation.
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The details are of little substance. Assuming the tariffs were in fact unconstitutional, the states still have no right to ignore them. We have a judicial branch in our government for that. Cutting corners should be strictly forbidden. The Constitution is not a suggestion.
 
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
You are grossly oversimplifying the Nullification Crisis in an attempt to steer this conversation.
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The details are of little substance. Assuming the tariffs were in fact unconstitutional, the states still have no right to ignore them. We have a judicial branch in our government for that. Cutting corners should be strictly forbidden. The Constitution is not a suggestion.
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The details are everything. What, are you some first-year PolySci student?
 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
You are grossly oversimplifying the Nullification Crisis in an attempt to steer this conversation.
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The details are of little substance. Assuming the tariffs were in fact unconstitutional, the states still have no right to ignore them. We have a judicial branch in our government for that. Cutting corners should be strictly forbidden. The Constitution is not a suggestion.
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The details are everything.
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Care to explain?
 
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
You are grossly oversimplifying the Nullification Crisis in an attempt to steer this conversation.
Click to expand...

The details are of little substance. Assuming the tariffs were in fact unconstitutional, the states still have no right to ignore them. We have a judicial branch in our government for that. Cutting corners should be strictly forbidden. The Constitution is not a suggestion.
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The details are everything.
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Care to explain?
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I'll give it to you...that was a brilliant little ploy. I am not going to into detail defending something I'm against. I answered your little question quite clearly earlier in the thread.

You asked:
Do you support the idea of giving every state the power to disregard laws that they don't like?
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I answered:
No, that would be anarchy. I support a less intrusive federal government and states being allowed to determine what's best for its respective population. You are grossly oversimplifying the Nullification Crisis in an attempt to steer this conversation. Things like interstate trade are obviously the domain of the federal government.
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Originally posted by: slash196
I didn't know non-Congressmen could be elected to Congressional positions.
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The Speaker of the House doesn't have to be a member of the House, s/he could be Bill Clinton if the majority of House memebers voted for it.

Anyway, I am sure that Trent Lott will enjoy his new position of whipping the minority. 😀
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
possible racism aside, trent lott's always seemed like a pretty decent guy.
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Possible racism aside, are you kidding?

A person saying "When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."knowing full well that Thurmond was running on a racial segregation platform smells racist to me.



That's like saying you believe that women are dumb stupid subhumans who belong at home and your friend saying "you know you're right if we had it your way then our country would be better off."

Give me a break Trent Lott is racist.
 
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