He's baaaaack. Trent Lott new Senate Minority Whip.

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Balt

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Trent Lott loves his pork. If Republicans are going to try to get back their reputation of fiscal responsibility, he's probably not the best example.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And what is wrong with Jefferson Davis?

Anybody that stands up for state's rights and less fed encroachment in my life is OK in my book.

You support nullification?
The Northern states were attempting to dictate to the Southern states issues that were not considered to be Federal and/or illegal. The Southern states felt that they were being blocked from redress.

In a way is is similar to the "blue" costal states attempting to dictate policy to the "red" interior states.

Higher population density trying to politically control the low density states

You know, I don't disagree with the concept of a system that protects the minority from the majority, but I find it highly amusing that you guys only seem to be in favor of that system when it allows you to limit the rights of gay folks or keep slaves...but gee, when it comes down to things like protecting individual civil liberties that AREN'T mentioned in the 2nd Amendment or protecting the rights of non-Christians to NOT live in a "Christian nation" you guys tend to fall a little flat.

And that is EXACTLY my problem with that idiot Jefferson Davis, he didn't do what the historical revisionists suggest...he was nothing more than a racist hypocrite. Broad platitudes about freedom and rights are great, but not when they are accompanied by slavery. It's an incorrect statement to suggest that the Civil War was about nothing more than slavery, but that IS part of what the South wanted the "freedom" to do...and frankly I think that makes the rest of their "cause" nothing more than a self-delusional lie.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: techs
Topic Title: He's baaaaack. Trent Lott new Senate Minority Whip.
Topic Summary: Just what we need. A guy who claims Jefferson Davis was a hero.

So is Lott a win for the neo-cons or the Republicans?

Lott was thrown to the wolves for his unwillingness to continue the Clinton impeachment battle to the last, despite the fact he knew there were not enough votes and it was tearing apart the country, and the far right, and Karl Rove hated him for it.

So when the Strom Thurmond controversery came up the White House got him pushed out as leader.

The guy he beat, Lamar Alexander, was actually encouraged to run for the Senate by the White House and Karl Rove.

So I'd say it's a win for the Republicans and a loss for the Bush and the Neo-Cons.

The GOP machine that grew to the point as we know it, grew out of the religious south and infiltrated the north. That is why I made the North Vs South thread.

Fortunately the GOP had their collective a$$e$ handed back to them in the North so they are hoping Trent can re-build the Sheeple machine in the deep south and hope they can re-spread their ilk back north in time for the 2008 Election.

 

fitzov

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And what is wrong with Jefferson Davis?

Anybody that stands up for state's rights and less fed encroachment in my life is OK in my book.

You support nullification?
The Northern states were attempting to dictate to the Southern states issues that were not considered to be Federal and/or illegal. The Southern states felt that they were being blocked from redress.

In a way is is similar to the "blue" costal states attempting to dictate policy to the "red" interior states.

Higher population density trying to politically control the low density states

Every state gets two senators and a number of reps proportional to population--how else would you have it?
 

fitzov

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And that is EXACTLY my problem with that idiot Jefferson Davis, he didn't do what the historical revisionists suggest...he was nothing more than a racist hypocrite. Broad platitudes about freedom and rights are great, but not when they are accompanied by slavery. It's an incorrect statement to suggest that the Civil War was about nothing more than slavery, but that IS part of what the South wanted the "freedom" to do...and frankly I think that makes the rest of their "cause" nothing more than a self-delusional lie.

Revisionism runs amok on the internet--quotes taken out of context, half-truths and buzz words, flat-out flasehoods. Slavery was a factor, but the North turned a blind eye to the issue for a long while after 1804 (the date the last northern states abolished slavery). You give the South too much credit though--the same state sovereignty issues that libertarians cry for today would have prevented any type of federal ban on slavery and the slave trade. But the 1860 presidential election says much about the feelings of the entire country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election%2C_1860
 

Jhhnn

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Lott says a lot of things that soothe his good ol' boy base... I wouldn't put too much credence behind any of them.

And Lott's ouster was simply because he wouldn't lockstep with the Bush Neocons- his remarks wrt Thurmond were merely an excuse.

Apparently, Senate Repubs want to distance themselves from the Admin over the next 2 years- Smart, very Smart, but I doubt it'll work.

Lott isn't an ideologue, he's a politician, so we may see some of the bipartisanship that the Bush faction promises yet desperately attempts to avoid...
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: fitzov
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And what is wrong with Jefferson Davis?

Anybody that stands up for state's rights and less fed encroachment in my life is OK in my book.

You support nullification?
The Northern states were attempting to dictate to the Southern states issues that were not considered to be Federal and/or illegal. The Southern states felt that they were being blocked from redress.

In a way is is similar to the "blue" costal states attempting to dictate policy to the "red" interior states.

Higher population density trying to politically control the low density states

Every state gets two senators and a number of reps proportional to population--how else would you have it?

I like it that way. Prevents the small states from being over-ridden by the more populous states. The electoral college was also set up to protect against such roughshod/bulling that could happen.

Example is look at the presidential elections where one won the popular vote but not the EC vote.

Being from a small state (with pushy CA next door) may affect how I view things though

 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
The details are of little substance.
You just gave me an extremely good one, for my sig.:D


Originally posted by: Magomago
Wasn't that the war where a bunch of manifest destiny believers thought that we should take over 1/2 of Mexico because it was our god given right? And then to "soften" the blow we paid some absolutely tiny amount for what amounted to like 1/3rd the current US... How the hell can we say someone is a "hero" when they CLEARLY fought an aggressive campaign even more blatant than Iraq since we stole the land? I have a problem with calling the general of such a campaign a "hero"....
Yeah, you're right. Soldiers are the people who start wars. That's why every Democrat hates Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, and Colin Powell, just to name a few.:roll:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Prevents the small states from being over-ridden by the more populous states. The electoral college was also set up to protect against such roughshod/bulling that could happen.

Example is look at the presidential elections where one won the popular vote but not the EC vote.

Being from a small state (with pushy CA next door) may affect how I view things though

It also works against common sense too.

2000 and 2004 happened because the rural folks were easily brainwashed from reality from the pulpit overriding the common sense of the inner city folks.

I'm still shocked they woke up enough to spank the ones that manipulated them for the last six years and thank them everyday.

They have redeemed themselves and I sincerely hope they learned from what happened to them at the hands of the Republicans and never do that again.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Prevents the small states from being over-ridden by the more populous states. The electoral college was also set up to protect against such roughshod/bulling that could happen.

Example is look at the presidential elections where one won the popular vote but not the EC vote.

Being from a small state (with pushy CA next door) may affect how I view things though

It also works against common sense too.

2000 and 2004 happened because the rural folks were easily brainwashed from reality from the pulpit overriding the common sense of the inner city folks.

I'm still shocked they woke up enough to spank the ones that manipulated them for the last six years and thank them everyday.

They have redeemed themselves and I sincerely hope they learned from what happened to them at the hands of the Republicans and never do that again.
There is no evidence that the inner city folks are any more astute than the rural.

The system was setup to protect the rural population and it worked.

You do not want to divide the country into Rep(rural) and Dem(urban).
Once that happens, the same situation will happen in reverse UNLESS the Dems are smart enough to remove the concept of entitlement and pandering from their thought process.

As has been shown; pandering to the extreme fringes will be detrimental in the end.

 

fitzov

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The democrats are responsible for "entitlements"? I'm fairly certain we can find some pork pushed through in the last eight years by the republicans.
 

Red Dawn

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"Trent was all excited about getting that job until he realized it didn't envolve whipping Minorities" ...Bill Maher:laugh:
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The # 1 Senate Repub---Mitch McConnel is in MHO, a total idiot and will be a neo-con pawn. Trent Lott---in MHO, is not a a neo-con pawn type---but sadly Trent will be loyal to Mitch.

With the GOP standing just one democratic heart attack away from being the majority party in the Senate---the repubs are going to stress party unity more than ever in the upcoming congress. But I for one welcome Trent Lott back---he said something stupid---and has paid the price for it---but Lott's track record is in being someone who can reach across party lines,
and talk to his democratic counterparts.--Lott is overall a decent person---who will put country over party. Please Trent, don't prove me wrong.
Mitch McConnell is worthless. He's only still in the Senate as there's never been a decent candidate to oppose him.